Anonymous
Post 10/04/2025 10:21     Subject: Government Shutdown - September, 2025 Editiion
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Democrats say don't blame them for a shutdown; it's all Republicans fault and they control the three branches.

They also say they are doing this to get health care subsidies. That it is all worth it to let people know they fought for health care.
I thought it was the Republicans that were shutting things down?

They want credit if you like the shutdown, and blame cast on Republicans if you don't like the shutdown.

Who likes the shutdown? I have not heard one person (other than Russell Vought) say this.


Well Trump himself was just short of rubbing his hands together and cackling with glee saying shit like "well gee the Democrats are forcing me to permanently fire people and get rid of agencies" so he clearly wants it - and is lying about being "forced" to permanently get rid of anything by anyone. It's entirely his choice and it's never before happened as a result of a shutdown. No shutdown in US history ever "forced" the President to permanently fire anyone let alone eliminate agencies. Historically, they just resumed work once funding was restored. He's looking to lawlessly do that entirely on his own and is lying about it to give himself cover.


Yes it is his choice. A choice that Democrats do not like, and Republicans like. There is no funding so he can choose to fire people and eliminate agencies. And Democrats are letting it happen by voting no.

So why are Republicans in Congress even passing this CR?


Trumps could (and did) do it regardless of what the Democrats do/did. Trump made the rule to do it, so he will own it. If the Dems caved, Trump would/could STILL do it — AND get what he wants with regard to the budget.


Bingo. That's why all the threats are hollow. They've been firing people and eliminating agencies for months. They are going to keep trying to do it regardless of any shutdown or CR. In order for a threat to be credible, you other side has to believe you will stop if they give into your demands. Democrats know they won't.
Anonymous
Post 10/04/2025 09:58     Subject: Government Shutdown - September, 2025 Editiion
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Democrats say don't blame them for a shutdown; it's all Republicans fault and they control the three branches.

They also say they are doing this to get health care subsidies. That it is all worth it to let people know they fought for health care.
I thought it was the Republicans that were shutting things down?

They want credit if you like the shutdown, and blame cast on Republicans if you don't like the shutdown.

Who likes the shutdown? I have not heard one person (other than Russell Vought) say this.



Trump tweeted celebrating Vought. Also all Republicans in Congress are happy about Vought and the shutdown because they’re in power and could change the situation very easily!


Folks - if we play this right, we can get Vought the full “thrown under the MAGA bus” treatment Elon Musk got.

Let’s get on it. Elon was just a useful idiot. Vought and Miller are actually running this show. And we all know Trump doesn’t hesitate to trash anyone flying too close to his bright orange sun.
Anonymous
Post 10/04/2025 09:45     Subject: Government Shutdown - September, 2025 Editiion
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Democrats say don't blame them for a shutdown; it's all Republicans fault and they control the three branches.

They also say they are doing this to get health care subsidies. That it is all worth it to let people know they fought for health care.
I thought it was the Republicans that were shutting things down?

They want credit if you like the shutdown, and blame cast on Republicans if you don't like the shutdown.

Who likes the shutdown? I have not heard one person (other than Russell Vought) say this.


Well Trump himself was just short of rubbing his hands together and cackling with glee saying shit like "well gee the Democrats are forcing me to permanently fire people and get rid of agencies" so he clearly wants it - and is lying about being "forced" to permanently get rid of anything by anyone. It's entirely his choice and it's never before happened as a result of a shutdown. No shutdown in US history ever "forced" the President to permanently fire anyone let alone eliminate agencies. Historically, they just resumed work once funding was restored. He's looking to lawlessly do that entirely on his own and is lying about it to give himself cover.


Yes it is his choice. A choice that Democrats do not like, and Republicans like. There is no funding so he can choose to fire people and eliminate agencies. And Democrats are letting it happen by voting no.

So why are Republicans in Congress even passing this CR?


Trumps could (and did) do it regardless of what the Democrats do/did. Trump made the rule to do it, so he will own it. If the Dems caved, Trump would/could STILL do it — AND get what he wants with regard to the budget.
Anonymous
Post 10/04/2025 08:32     Subject: Government Shutdown - September, 2025 Editiion
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Democrats say don't blame them for a shutdown; it's all Republicans fault and they control the three branches.

They also say they are doing this to get health care subsidies. That it is all worth it to let people know they fought for health care.
I thought it was the Republicans that were shutting things down?

They want credit if you like the shutdown, and blame cast on Republicans if you don't like the shutdown.

Who likes the shutdown? I have not heard one person (other than Russell Vought) say this.


Well Trump himself was just short of rubbing his hands together and cackling with glee saying shit like "well gee the Democrats are forcing me to permanently fire people and get rid of agencies" so he clearly wants it - and is lying about being "forced" to permanently get rid of anything by anyone. It's entirely his choice and it's never before happened as a result of a shutdown. No shutdown in US history ever "forced" the President to permanently fire anyone let alone eliminate agencies. Historically, they just resumed work once funding was restored. He's looking to lawlessly do that entirely on his own and is lying about it to give himself cover.


Yes it is his choice. A choice that Democrats do not like, and Republicans like. There is no funding so he can choose to fire people and eliminate agencies. And Democrats are letting it happen by voting no.

So why are Republicans in Congress even passing this CR?


It's his choice, which makes it his shutdown. And if he proceeds with eliminating agencies that were established by statute, that's illegal and he needs to be held accountable. Similarly, if he does massive staff cuts that cripple agencies and prevent them from carrying out statutorily mandated responsibilities, that's also illegal and he needs to be held accountable. Trump and everyone involved - including Vought and all involved agency officials.
Anonymous
Post 10/03/2025 23:43     Subject: Government Shutdown - September, 2025 Editiion
Anonymous wrote:Hey Chuck Schumer, Democrats on DCUM agree that Republicans are responsible for the shutdown. You are now free to have Democrats vote for the CR, you won't be blamed.


Nope! Try again buddy
Anonymous
Post 10/03/2025 23:22     Subject: Government Shutdown - September, 2025 Editiion
Hey Chuck Schumer, Democrats on DCUM agree that Republicans are responsible for the shutdown. You are now free to have Democrats vote for the CR, you won't be blamed.
Anonymous
Post 10/03/2025 22:41     Subject: Government Shutdown - September, 2025 Editiion
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Democrats say don't blame them for a shutdown; it's all Republicans fault and they control the three branches.

They also say they are doing this to get health care subsidies. That it is all worth it to let people know they fought for health care.
I thought it was the Republicans that were shutting things down?

They want credit if you like the shutdown, and blame cast on Republicans if you don't like the shutdown.

Who likes the shutdown? I have not heard one person (other than Russell Vought) say this.


Well Trump himself was just short of rubbing his hands together and cackling with glee saying shit like "well gee the Democrats are forcing me to permanently fire people and get rid of agencies" so he clearly wants it - and is lying about being "forced" to permanently get rid of anything by anyone. It's entirely his choice and it's never before happened as a result of a shutdown. No shutdown in US history ever "forced" the President to permanently fire anyone let alone eliminate agencies. Historically, they just resumed work once funding was restored. He's looking to lawlessly do that entirely on his own and is lying about it to give himself cover.


Yes it is his choice. A choice that Democrats do not like, and Republicans like. There is no funding so he can choose to fire people and eliminate agencies. And Democrats are letting it happen by voting no.

So why are Republicans in Congress even passing this CR?

DP. He can’t though. RIFs create additional financial obligations. Should be obvious but you legally are not allowed to make new financial obligations during a shutdown.
Anonymous
Post 10/03/2025 21:44     Subject: Government Shutdown - September, 2025 Editiion
Anonymous wrote:So what is the goal here for the Dems? It seems they are just doing a little adjustment of policy. The Dems could careless are about the Epstein files, Trump putting US military in the streets of blue cities, blowing up innocent fishermen, Trump and his family’s corruption, ICE’s Criminal activities, the FBI arresting elected democrats officials, masked men abducting people off the street, etc.

The Dems want to help ease the pain for maga and keep rural hospitals open? Sounds like a win for Trump.


Did the Dems think this through?

If democracy is in Jeopardy why don’t the democrats act like it is?


We are awaiting the Speaker to swear in the new Dem House member from AZ so she can be the 218th and final signer of the Epstein disposition. Not the Dems fault.
Anonymous
Post 10/03/2025 21:44     Subject: Government Shutdown - September, 2025 Editiion
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Democrats say don't blame them for a shutdown; it's all Republicans fault and they control the three branches.

They also say they are doing this to get health care subsidies. That it is all worth it to let people know they fought for health care.
I thought it was the Republicans that were shutting things down?

They want credit if you like the shutdown, and blame cast on Republicans if you don't like the shutdown.

Who likes the shutdown? I have not heard one person (other than Russell Vought) say this.



Trump tweeted celebrating Vought. Also all Republicans in Congress are happy about Vought and the shutdown because they’re in power and could change the situation very easily!
Anonymous
Post 10/03/2025 20:22     Subject: Government Shutdown - September, 2025 Editiion
Anonymous wrote:So what is the goal here for the Dems? It seems they are just doing a little adjustment of policy. The Dems could careless are about the Epstein files, Trump putting US military in the streets of blue cities, blowing up innocent fishermen, Trump and his family’s corruption, ICE’s Criminal activities, the FBI arresting elected democrats officials, masked men abducting people off the street, etc.

The Dems want to help ease the pain for maga and keep rural hospitals open? Sounds like a win for Trump.


Did the Dems think this through?

If democracy is in Jeopardy why don’t the democrats act like it is?

Yes, Dems wish the best for both their supporters and their opponents. It's what Jesus would do.
Anonymous
Post 10/03/2025 19:50     Subject: Government Shutdown - September, 2025 Editiion
So what is the goal here for the Dems? It seems they are just doing a little adjustment of policy. The Dems could careless are about the Epstein files, Trump putting US military in the streets of blue cities, blowing up innocent fishermen, Trump and his family’s corruption, ICE’s Criminal activities, the FBI arresting elected democrats officials, masked men abducting people off the street, etc.

The Dems want to help ease the pain for maga and keep rural hospitals open? Sounds like a win for Trump.


Did the Dems think this through?

If democracy is in Jeopardy why don’t the democrats act like it is?
Anonymous
Post 10/03/2025 19:36     Subject: Government Shutdown - September, 2025 Editiion
Anonymous wrote:Republicans hate government. Why do they care?


Exactly. This is a feature, not a bug. It's why this is Trump's third shutdown, more than any other recent president.
He's using it as an excuse for what he and that ghoul Voight have wanted since day 1: Dismantle government and divvy up the spoils among his donors. Look what he's doing with Tik Tok.
Anonymous
Post 10/03/2025 16:23     Subject: Government Shutdown - September, 2025 Editiion
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:It is reasonable to ask Republicans why they expect Democrats would vote for things now that passed without their votes just a few months ago.

Was passing legislation in a Senate that requires 60 votes for final passage of a budget with 51 votes thru reconciliation smart?

Maybe this whole "bi-partisan" thing has some merit. That or the GOP should just change the rules like they have other times when it suited them.


Look what the democrats are asking for will help Trump in the midterms. I really hope the Dems fold and don’t get anything…even a fake deal. Please Dems just fold.


We know.
Anonymous
Post 10/03/2025 16:05     Subject: Government Shutdown - September, 2025 Editiion
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Democrats say don't blame them for a shutdown; it's all Republicans fault and they control the three branches.

They also say they are doing this to get health care subsidies. That it is all worth it to let people know they fought for health care.
I thought it was the Republicans that were shutting things down?

They want credit if you like the shutdown, and blame cast on Republicans if you don't like the shutdown.

Who likes the shutdown? I have not heard one person (other than Russell Vought) say this.


Well Trump himself was just short of rubbing his hands together and cackling with glee saying shit like "well gee the Democrats are forcing me to permanently fire people and get rid of agencies" so he clearly wants it - and is lying about being "forced" to permanently get rid of anything by anyone. It's entirely his choice and it's never before happened as a result of a shutdown. No shutdown in US history ever "forced" the President to permanently fire anyone let alone eliminate agencies. Historically, they just resumed work once funding was restored. He's looking to lawlessly do that entirely on his own and is lying about it to give himself cover.


Yes it is his choice. A choice that Democrats do not like, and Republicans like. There is no funding so he can choose to fire people and eliminate agencies. And Democrats are letting it happen by voting no.

So why are Republicans in Congress even passing this CR?


Please explain why you think he couldn’t do this when government was funded. Really clear explanation for everyone who used to work at USAID please.
Anonymous
Post 10/03/2025 15:56     Subject: Government Shutdown - September, 2025 Editiion
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Democrats say don't blame them for a shutdown; it's all Republicans fault and they control the three branches.

They also say they are doing this to get health care subsidies. That it is all worth it to let people know they fought for health care.
I thought it was the Republicans that were shutting things down?

They want credit if you like the shutdown, and blame cast on Republicans if you don't like the shutdown.

Who likes the shutdown? I have not heard one person (other than Russell Vought) say this.


Well Trump himself was just short of rubbing his hands together and cackling with glee saying shit like "well gee the Democrats are forcing me to permanently fire people and get rid of agencies" so he clearly wants it - and is lying about being "forced" to permanently get rid of anything by anyone. It's entirely his choice and it's never before happened as a result of a shutdown. No shutdown in US history ever "forced" the President to permanently fire anyone let alone eliminate agencies. Historically, they just resumed work once funding was restored. He's looking to lawlessly do that entirely on his own and is lying about it to give himself cover.


Yes it is his choice. A choice that Democrats do not like, and Republicans like. There is no funding so he can choose to fire people and eliminate agencies. And Democrats are letting it happen by voting no.

So why are Republicans in Congress even passing this CR?