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Anonymous wrote:The Caps will be fine. It's a good franchise. What they lose in MoCo and NW DC fans attending games, they'll make up with NoVa fans. I'm in MoCo near the DC line. We go to Caps game all the time. I cannot imagine trekking all the way to Potomac Yards for a weeknight game during rush hour. Not happening. But the Virginia fans will be there.

The Wizards are going to suffer. It's been a losing franchise forever with little hope of changing anytime soon. Most of their fan base - such as it is - is DC based. They are not going to Potomac Yards. You need a winning team for people to go through the inconveinience of going to Potomac Yards. It'll be a pretty empty arena for the foreseeable future when it comes to the Wizards.

The real loser, of course, is DC. This is hundreds of millions in lost revenue. All those restaurants in Gallery Place are going to die. It will be impossible to sell a condo in that neighborhood. It was the arena that turned everything around downtown 30 years ago. It will revert back to the crack era so fast it'll make your head spin. The future for downtown DC is bleak.

I blame Bowser and the City Council, of course. Absolute idiots. But the real villain is the USAO. When you decline to prosecute nearly 70 percent of all arrests, there are consequences. Leonsis said it himself. Most of his employees have been attacked and harassed just going to work. No wants that kind of stress in their day to day life. These are all repeat offenders well known to the police. The average murder suspect in DC has 11 felonies - pretty impressive for a teen or someone in their twenties. And USAO does nothing about these violent people.

So people and businesses are leaving DC. Until DC gets serious about putting criminals in prison, the city will continue to decline.

Plenty of people from Loudoun and western Fairfax travel to DC for Nationals BASEBALL(!) games. Plenty via Metro too (shock). Are MD people from Bethesda and CC too provincial to cross the Potomac? I’m sure a few are but C’mon. If you’re a fan, the move to a neighboring DC community won’t be a big deal.

BTW the commute from western Fairfax to Baltimore via car at rush hour is not that much longer than getting to DC for baseball games.

You aren't getting it. The reason people from all corners go to the games in DC is because DC is in the middle of the region with the transit hubs in the city. When you move attractions to one corner or another, it becomes at best inconvenient and at worse burdensome to untenable, to attend. So sure, you have people from western fairfax to Baltimore going to events in DC because it is DC. For people from Baltimore, it is an easy train ride to Union Station and then walk to the Arena or capital bike share to the arena or stadium. Really for people from upper NW DC and Montgomery County, adding an hour commute to attend games on a weeknight during rush hour (not an hour commute, ADDING an hour) is simply not an option for most people.

I'm a different poster but I promise you the owner doesn't think this is an issue. People will absolutely come to these games. I live here and I can tell you that these politicians and business people are looking to redefine this area. A few years ago I went to a local meeting about Amazon HQ coming to Arlington and the leaders running the effort told us that their goal is to make this area (Crystal City/Pentagon City/Potomac Yard/beyond) less car dependent and more metro/bike dependent. They told us that they don't want people dependent on cars. They are trying to build a dynamic metro like city. I believe there will be even greater changes to come that have not been shared yet.

+1. More people will attend the games if they are out of DC. DC is a PITA to get into and, to be frank, the majority of the areas population does not even live there. DC has 700K residents, NOVA has over 3M. NOVA alone could support the sports teams. Plus Baltimore is not coming to Caps/Wizard games - and they are def staying in Balt to support their NFL/MLB teams. NOVA is growing and at a considerably faster rate than DC. Moving the sports teams recognizes and reflects that trend. Glad to see it

Virginia is the 12 most populous state. States 1-11, 13-22 all have professional sports teams. It shouldn't be surprising that they finally got one

Suburbs don’t get professional sports teams. See CT.

Bergen County, NJ has two NFL teams as does Inglewood, CA, Foxborough has an NFL team, Arlington, TX has an NFL team and a MLB team, Paradise, Nevada has an NFL team and an NHL team, Orchard Park, NY has an NFL team, Santa Clara, CA has an NFL team, Glendale Arizona has an NFL team, Cobb county, GA has a baseball team, Sunrise, FL has an NHL team, Tempe, AZ has an NHL team, and Nassau county has an NHL team.

Cities may locate their teams in suburbs because the land is cheaper, but suburbs don’t get teams.
It’s not the East Rutherford Giants.

Who cares? We get the financial benefits. People travel around the world to see their favorite team. This is about the financial investment gains. unfortunately, Mayor Browser was too busy and Dubai to put forth an investment proposal for monumental sports. The same goes for the FBI building. As a citizen of the district, we should be looking for a new leader and representative of our best interest.

This is false. The offer for $500m dollars was on the table ever since the bond market changed and the city's borrowing capacity increased. The problem is that the city doesn't have an open 70 acre parcel and 2 billion dollars to dump on to Mr. Leonsis the way Gov. Youngkin is trying to do. It will be interesting to see how the local NIMBYs and the state legislature deals with these issues. The NIMBYs in this case (I am generally a YIMBY) are probably right. The roads in that area are simply not deigned for the kind of capacity and egress this arena will require, and there is no practical workaround, short of the Jetsons flying car becoming a thing, and even if that happens, the proximity to DCA would even make THAT a non-starter.

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Anonymous wrote:Michael Wilbon speaks for probably 90% of Wizards fans

Good luck recovering that part of the fanbase, Ted.

And personally, I have been a season ticket Caps supporter since the last year of US Airways Arena/capital centre (I bought them because they were moving downtown) and will not renew. Most of the people who sit around me have also said they will not renew.

Sad day.

WTF is a “city” sport?! Gimme a break. Sports are sports. Why do they have to slice and dice everything?

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Anonymous wrote:Michael Wilbon speaks for probably 90% of Wizards fans

Good luck recovering that part of the fanbase, Ted.

And personally, I have been a season ticket Caps supporter since the last year of US Airways Arena/capital centre (I bought them because they were moving downtown) and will not renew. Most of the people who sit around me have also said they will not renew.

Sad day.

WTF is a “city” sport?! Gimme a break. Sports are sports. Why do they have to slice and dice everything?

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Anonymous wrote:The Caps will be fine. It's a good franchise. What they lose in MoCo and NW DC fans attending games, they'll make up with NoVa fans. I'm in MoCo near the DC line. We go to Caps game all the time. I cannot imagine trekking all the way to Potomac Yards for a weeknight game during rush hour. Not happening. But the Virginia fans will be there.

The Wizards are going to suffer. It's been a losing franchise forever with little hope of changing anytime soon. Most of their fan base - such as it is - is DC based. They are not going to Potomac Yards. You need a winning team for people to go through the inconveinience of going to Potomac Yards. It'll be a pretty empty arena for the foreseeable future when it comes to the Wizards.

The real loser, of course, is DC. This is hundreds of millions in lost revenue. All those restaurants in Gallery Place are going to die. It will be impossible to sell a condo in that neighborhood. It was the arena that turned everything around downtown 30 years ago. It will revert back to the crack era so fast it'll make your head spin. The future for downtown DC is bleak.

I blame Bowser and the City Council, of course. Absolute idiots. But the real villain is the USAO. When you decline to prosecute nearly 70 percent of all arrests, there are consequences. Leonsis said it himself. Most of his employees have been attacked and harassed just going to work. No wants that kind of stress in their day to day life. These are all repeat offenders well known to the police. The average murder suspect in DC has 11 felonies - pretty impressive for a teen or someone in their twenties. And USAO does nothing about these violent people.

So people and businesses are leaving DC. Until DC gets serious about putting criminals in prison, the city will continue to decline.

Plenty of people from Loudoun and western Fairfax travel to DC for Nationals BASEBALL(!) games. Plenty via Metro too (shock). Are MD people from Bethesda and CC too provincial to cross the Potomac? I’m sure a few are but C’mon. If you’re a fan, the move to a neighboring DC community won’t be a big deal.

BTW the commute from western Fairfax to Baltimore via car at rush hour is not that much longer than getting to DC for baseball games.

You aren't getting it. The reason people from all corners go to the games in DC is because DC is in the middle of the region with the transit hubs in the city. When you move attractions to one corner or another, it becomes at best inconvenient and at worse burdensome to untenable, to attend. So sure, you have people from western fairfax to Baltimore going to events in DC because it is DC. For people from Baltimore, it is an easy train ride to Union Station and then walk to the Arena or capital bike share to the arena or stadium. Really for people from upper NW DC and Montgomery County, adding an hour commute to attend games on a weeknight during rush hour (not an hour commute, ADDING an hour) is simply not an option for most people.

I'm a different poster but I promise you the owner doesn't think this is an issue. People will absolutely come to these games. I live here and I can tell you that these politicians and business people are looking to redefine this area. A few years ago I went to a local meeting about Amazon HQ coming to Arlington and the leaders running the effort told us that their goal is to make this area (Crystal City/Pentagon City/Potomac Yard/beyond) less car dependent and more metro/bike dependent. They told us that they don't want people dependent on cars. They are trying to build a dynamic metro like city. I believe there will be even greater changes to come that have not been shared yet.

+1. More people will attend the games if they are out of DC. DC is a PITA to get into and, to be frank, the majority of the areas population does not even live there. DC has 700K residents, NOVA has over 3M. NOVA alone could support the sports teams. Plus Baltimore is not coming to Caps/Wizard games - and they are def staying in Balt to support their NFL/MLB teams. NOVA is growing and at a considerably faster rate than DC. Moving the sports teams recognizes and reflects that trend. Glad to see it

I hate to admit it, but this is correct. DC is awful, the parking, the traffic, the pot smoking, the homeless people/druggies strung out all over judiciary square towards Cap One, being scared your car will get broken into, not being able to get an uber after the game, not enough police, it sucks. PY isn't perfect but I am willing to give it a chance over 20+ years of schlepping it out to Cap One. We are season ticket holders for the Nats and it also has become a hellish experience to get there and to get home, whether we drive or use metro.

There are multiple ways in and out of Cap One. There is just one road for PY. One road that is already a huge mess. Before you add 30k workers and thousands of sports fans.

^^^ This

Read the comments to this tweet, from people all over the region. It is pretty clear that there are a lot of ticket plan holders who see the new location as totally untenable

I am sure Ted will make his money, but for most long time fans of both teams, this is a loser move.

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Anonymous wrote:The Caps will be fine. It's a good franchise. What they lose in MoCo and NW DC fans attending games, they'll make up with NoVa fans. I'm in MoCo near the DC line. We go to Caps game all the time. I cannot imagine trekking all the way to Potomac Yards for a weeknight game during rush hour. Not happening. But the Virginia fans will be there.

The Wizards are going to suffer. It's been a losing franchise forever with little hope of changing anytime soon. Most of their fan base - such as it is - is DC based. They are not going to Potomac Yards. You need a winning team for people to go through the inconveinience of going to Potomac Yards. It'll be a pretty empty arena for the foreseeable future when it comes to the Wizards.

The real loser, of course, is DC. This is hundreds of millions in lost revenue. All those restaurants in Gallery Place are going to die. It will be impossible to sell a condo in that neighborhood. It was the arena that turned everything around downtown 30 years ago. It will revert back to the crack era so fast it'll make your head spin. The future for downtown DC is bleak.

I blame Bowser and the City Council, of course. Absolute idiots. But the real villain is the USAO. When you decline to prosecute nearly 70 percent of all arrests, there are consequences. Leonsis said it himself. Most of his employees have been attacked and harassed just going to work. No wants that kind of stress in their day to day life. These are all repeat offenders well known to the police. The average murder suspect in DC has 11 felonies - pretty impressive for a teen or someone in their twenties. And USAO does nothing about these violent people.

So people and businesses are leaving DC. Until DC gets serious about putting criminals in prison, the city will continue to decline.

Plenty of people from Loudoun and western Fairfax travel to DC for Nationals BASEBALL(!) games. Plenty via Metro too (shock). Are MD people from Bethesda and CC too provincial to cross the Potomac? I’m sure a few are but C’mon. If you’re a fan, the move to a neighboring DC community won’t be a big deal.

BTW the commute from western Fairfax to Baltimore via car at rush hour is not that much longer than getting to DC for baseball games.

You aren't getting it. The reason people from all corners go to the games in DC is because DC is in the middle of the region with the transit hubs in the city. When you move attractions to one corner or another, it becomes at best inconvenient and at worse burdensome to untenable, to attend. So sure, you have people from western fairfax to Baltimore going to events in DC because it is DC. For people from Baltimore, it is an easy train ride to Union Station and then walk to the Arena or capital bike share to the arena or stadium. Really for people from upper NW DC and Montgomery County, adding an hour commute to attend games on a weeknight during rush hour (not an hour commute, ADDING an hour) is simply not an option for most people.

I'm a different poster but I promise you the owner doesn't think this is an issue. People will absolutely come to these games. I live here and I can tell you that these politicians and business people are looking to redefine this area. A few years ago I went to a local meeting about Amazon HQ coming to Arlington and the leaders running the effort told us that their goal is to make this area (Crystal City/Pentagon City/Potomac Yard/beyond) less car dependent and more metro/bike dependent. They told us that they don't want people dependent on cars. They are trying to build a dynamic metro like city. I believe there will be even greater changes to come that have not been shared yet.

+1. More people will attend the games if they are out of DC. DC is a PITA to get into and, to be frank, the majority of the areas population does not even live there. DC has 700K residents, NOVA has over 3M. NOVA alone could support the sports teams. Plus Baltimore is not coming to Caps/Wizard games - and they are def staying in Balt to support their NFL/MLB teams. NOVA is growing and at a considerably faster rate than DC. Moving the sports teams recognizes and reflects that trend. Glad to see it

Virginia is the 12 most populous state. States 1-11, 13-22 all have professional sports teams. It shouldn't be surprising that they finally got one

Suburbs don’t get professional sports teams. See CT.

Bergen County, NJ has two NFL teams as does Inglewood, CA, Foxborough has an NFL team, Arlington, TX has an NFL team and a MLB team, Paradise, Nevada has an NFL team and an NHL team, Orchard Park, NY has an NFL team, Santa Clara, CA has an NFL team, Glendale Arizona has an NFL team, Cobb county, GA has a baseball team, Sunrise, FL has an NHL team, Tempe, AZ has an NHL team, and Nassau county has an NHL team.

Cities may locate their teams in suburbs because the land is cheaper, but suburbs don’t get teams.
It’s not the East Rutherford Giants.

Who cares? We get the financial benefits. People travel around the world to see their favorite team. This is about the financial investment gains. unfortunately, Mayor Browser was too busy and Dubai to put forth an investment proposal for monumental sports. The same goes for the FBI building. As a citizen of the district, we should be looking for a new leader and representative of our best interest.

Anonymous wrote:Can anyone point to me where people will park at this new arena?

Potomac Yards will bring more cars on game day relative to the CapitalOne arena today. Folks coming from MoCo and PG and upper NW will drive instead of taking Metro or Uber/Lyft.

This new arena will be more car-dependent. And I don't see any renderings for parking garages or other parking infrastructure. There will not be parking under the arena for the general public, as that's a massive security risk.

Make it make sense.

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Anonymous wrote:The effects of the BLM riots did this. All because some career criminal with covid died of a fentanyl overdose.

Go back to your shlthole, racist trash.

Has crime not spiraled out of control in DC in the post-George Floyd era? Let’s be real. The last few years have been an era where BLM has advocated to defund the police, or ham string them, cut budgets, sue them at any turn, install progressive criminal justice reform policies that reduce incarceration rates, basically pushing “restorative justice” over swift punishment?

It’s no racist to be straight forward and say we’ve created a climate in many major cities where criminals now understand they essentially have a free pass to commit crime because of many of these recently enacted policy changes.

DC has the second look act, youth rehab act, they don’t take away drivers licenses for killing people with speeding or for $12k in tickets because it’s “inequitable”. All the repeat car jackings are like coming from 12 year old kids joy riding cars because they know there is no punishment in dc.

Why are you acting willfully obtuse? If you create a climate where crime is tolerated, even based on historical injustices, like police brutality, you get a massive crime spike like we are getting now. We need to imprison violent people and keep them away.

Can anyone refute this? DC is unsafe. What actual, effective policies to combat crime have been enacted in the last five years?

Have the $9m in violence interruptors we paid for interrupted any violence? Studies show they don’t do sht. Anyone??? No?

Oh okay so I guess it’s just easier to throw out wild accusations than debate on the merits.

Anonymous wrote:Suck it DC. You’re losers, your pols are losers, and you are getting everything you deserve for electing all of the idiots you have running the city.


Well deserved. Now just keep all the crime in your borders, please.

Anonymous wrote:I know that this is a Caps/Wiz thread but on the top of stuff leaving why did the Mayor not even offer a proposal for the FBI? Do we really want thousands of employees being relocated out of the city. Buying lunch elsewhere. Paying taxes elsewhere?

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Anonymous wrote:The Caps will be fine. It's a good franchise. What they lose in MoCo and NW DC fans attending games, they'll make up with NoVa fans. I'm in MoCo near the DC line. We go to Caps game all the time. I cannot imagine trekking all the way to Potomac Yards for a weeknight game during rush hour. Not happening. But the Virginia fans will be there.

The Wizards are going to suffer. It's been a losing franchise forever with little hope of changing anytime soon. Most of their fan base - such as it is - is DC based. They are not going to Potomac Yards. You need a winning team for people to go through the inconveinience of going to Potomac Yards. It'll be a pretty empty arena for the foreseeable future when it comes to the Wizards.

The real loser, of course, is DC. This is hundreds of millions in lost revenue. All those restaurants in Gallery Place are going to die. It will be impossible to sell a condo in that neighborhood. It was the arena that turned everything around downtown 30 years ago. It will revert back to the crack era so fast it'll make your head spin. The future for downtown DC is bleak.

I blame Bowser and the City Council, of course. Absolute idiots. But the real villain is the USAO. When you decline to prosecute nearly 70 percent of all arrests, there are consequences. Leonsis said it himself. Most of his employees have been attacked and harassed just going to work. No wants that kind of stress in their day to day life. These are all repeat offenders well known to the police. The average murder suspect in DC has 11 felonies - pretty impressive for a teen or someone in their twenties. And USAO does nothing about these violent people.

So people and businesses are leaving DC. Until DC gets serious about putting criminals in prison, the city will continue to decline.

Plenty of people from Loudoun and western Fairfax travel to DC for Nationals BASEBALL(!) games. Plenty via Metro too (shock). Are MD people from Bethesda and CC too provincial to cross the Potomac? I’m sure a few are but C’mon. If you’re a fan, the move to a neighboring DC community won’t be a big deal.

BTW the commute from western Fairfax to Baltimore via car at rush hour is not that much longer than getting to DC for baseball games.

You aren't getting it. The reason people from all corners go to the games in DC is because DC is in the middle of the region with the transit hubs in the city. When you move attractions to one corner or another, it becomes at best inconvenient and at worse burdensome to untenable, to attend. So sure, you have people from western fairfax to Baltimore going to events in DC because it is DC. For people from Baltimore, it is an easy train ride to Union Station and then walk to the Arena or capital bike share to the arena or stadium. Really for people from upper NW DC and Montgomery County, adding an hour commute to attend games on a weeknight during rush hour (not an hour commute, ADDING an hour) is simply not an option for most people.

I'm a different poster but I promise you the owner doesn't think this is an issue. People will absolutely come to these games. I live here and I can tell you that these politicians and business people are looking to redefine this area. A few years ago I went to a local meeting about Amazon HQ coming to Arlington and the leaders running the effort told us that their goal is to make this area (Crystal City/Pentagon City/Potomac Yard/beyond) less car dependent and more metro/bike dependent. They told us that they don't want people dependent on cars. They are trying to build a dynamic metro like city. I believe there will be even greater changes to come that have not been shared yet.

+1. More people will attend the games if they are out of DC. DC is a PITA to get into and, to be frank, the majority of the areas population does not even live there. DC has 700K residents, NOVA has over 3M. NOVA alone could support the sports teams. Plus Baltimore is not coming to Caps/Wizard games - and they are def staying in Balt to support their NFL/MLB teams. NOVA is growing and at a considerably faster rate than DC. Moving the sports teams recognizes and reflects that trend. Glad to see it

I hate to admit it, but this is correct. DC is awful, the parking, the traffic, the pot smoking, the homeless people/druggies strung out all over judiciary square towards Cap One, being scared your car will get broken into, not being able to get an uber after the game, not enough police, it sucks. PY isn't perfect but I am willing to give it a chance over 20+ years of schlepping it out to Cap One. We are season ticket holders for the Nats and it also has become a hellish experience to get there and to get home, whether we drive or use metro.

There are multiple ways in and out of Cap One. There is just one road for PY. One road that is already a huge mess. Before you add 30k workers and thousands of sports fans.

There are multiple ways to get to PY. I’m not a fan of moving the teams bc I live in Alexandria and I am worried it will be a mess but suddenly acting like Gallery Place was smooth sailing is ridiculous and what got us to this point. I would rather deal with going to Cap One’s new music hall in Tyson’s (which is actually pretty nice) then deal with getting to Cap One or the Anthem if I had a choice.

Blame this on Bowser.

There’s just Rt 1.

And Metro access is worse - only blue/yellow line.

Re: transportation, PY sucks.

Where are you coming from? I’m being sincere in asking.

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Anonymous wrote:Michael Wilbon speaks for probably 90% of Wizards fans

Good luck recovering that part of the fanbase, Ted.

And personally, I have been a season ticket Caps supporter since the last year of US Airways Arena/capital centre (I bought them because they were moving downtown) and will not renew. Most of the people who sit around me have also said they will not renew.

Sad day.

WTF is a “city” sport?! Gimme a break. Sports are sports. Why do they have to slice and dice everything?