Guess we're all just going to ignore the fact that oil prices have crashed 20-30% this week.

As a senior citizen on a livable but modest income, there is no such thing as an affordable EV -- even at $46K. If you are raising a family on the median income of just over $60K, buying an EV is a pipe dream.

Also, I live in an apartment complex of 12 buildings - over 300 apartments -- so I can't even envision a method for charging the vehicles. When I look at the apartment/condo complexes in my area and the literally thousands of residents who live in them, the mind boggles with the problem of providing charging resources. Multiply that by the number of such living centers throughout the country!

Though I long ago left Michigan, my hometown of Detroit is the perfect example of a city that (a) has no effective mass transit (and is too spread out to make that even possible); (b) has many neighborhoods with only street parking and no way to erect charging stations, and (3) would require significant upgrade of the power grid. Multiply this by many similar cities in the country and you can see that a quick turn to EVs is essentially impossible.

In the years I lived in DMV (I moved just outside of it at retirement a couple of years ago), I realized most people here have little or no idea of what life is like outside of the bubble. The arrogance that crops up in these fora is astonishing and would be hysterically funny if it weren't so tragic.

It is good to have the EV goal and time will allow a transition that will not leave people behind. If you feel such a change must be done now -- immediately! -- it cannot happen no matter how much you wish it were so.

BTW, it IS an affordability problem!

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Anonymous wrote:But you cannot buy an EV without $$,$$$.

Same as ICE vehicles when they were first brought to market.

If you guys were honest then you would solve the affordability problem rather than throw your hands up.

It is not an affordability problem. It is a physics problem.

These posters idolize politicians who are fascinated by the fact that vegetables grow in dirt and are wary of kitchen garbage disposals. You think they’re going to understand physics?!?!?!

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Anonymous wrote:But you cannot buy an EV without $$,$$$.

Same as ICE vehicles when they were first brought to market.

If you guys were honest then you would solve the affordability problem rather than throw your hands up.

It is not an affordability problem. It is a physics problem.

Anonymous wrote:But you cannot buy an EV without $$,$$$.

You all seem to think the only EVs are made by your god-king Elon Musk. That’s not the case.

Anonymous wrote:But you cannot buy an EV without $$,$$$.

Same as ICE vehicles when they were first brought to market.

If you guys were honest then you would solve the affordability problem rather than throw your hands up.

But you cannot buy an EV without $$,$$$.

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Anonymous wrote:Meanwhile in the EV world, prices for a Tesla are going up while rare earth metals like Nickel have seen a 250% increase in cost.

Are you going to blame Biden for not funding a nickel pipeline?

When you buy an electric car you are buying gas futures. You are prepaying for all the gas you would have had to buy for many years ahead, this cost is built into the price of an electric car. There is no free ride. You either pay upfront or you pay over time risking that gas prices will keep climbing up, but then again.. you don't know it. There is no way that a used economy car would equal what you spend on Tesla even if gas goes to $10/gallon or more unless you are a professional driver putting many hours of driving per day.

$$$ Is NOT the only reason to buy electric. You don’t seem to comprehend that point. Money is not a measure of goodness.

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Anonymous wrote:Meanwhile in the EV world, prices for a Tesla are going up while rare earth metals like Nickel have seen a 250% increase in cost.

Are you going to blame Biden for not funding a nickel pipeline?

When you buy an electric car you are buying gas futures. You are prepaying for all the gas you would have had to buy for many years ahead, this cost is built into the price of an electric car. There is no free ride. You either pay upfront or you pay over time risking that gas prices will keep climbing up, but then again.. you don't know it. There is no way that a used economy car would equal what you spend on Tesla even if gas goes to $10/gallon or more unless you are a professional driver putting many hours of driving per day.

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Anonymous wrote:The POTUS doesn’t control the price of gas. The POTUS doesn’t control the price of gas. One time louder for the people in the back - the POTUS doesn’t control the price of gas.

Hmm, Democrats were claiming just the opposite about three months ago:

https://twitter.com/dccc/status/1466494036630544394?s=21

You’re really desperate to play the gotcha whataboutism game when you pull DCCC posts from Twitter. Going to say it slowly for you …. The POTUS doesn’t control the price of gas.

Just a simple question:
Were you one of the TikTok influencers that the WH hosted to convince others that the rise in gas prices is not their fault?

And so you know... his policies since the first day he took office have indeed contributed to the rise in gas prices.

Um, how? Get specific. I’ll wait.

I believe the argument is that if Joe didn’t kill the keystone pipeline, it may have reduced prices in 2030 when it was completed, or that if Joe didn’t cancel leases granted last-minute by Trump, all of the people sitting on existing leases would start drilling, or maybe because Joe said electric cars are good, the price of gas went up. I guess they could also argue that all the lives the administration saved from COVID vaccines resulted in more people having cars to drive, and thus higher demand? Joe didn’t socialize Exxon stations either, that dirty communist.

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Anonymous wrote:Meanwhile in the EV world, prices for a Tesla are going up while rare earth metals like Nickel have seen a 250% increase in cost.

Are you going to blame Biden for not funding a nickel pipeline?

Hr'd not to blame for this increase.

But, he and the people in his administration who tell the working class people to "just buy an electric car" to combat gas prices are tone deaf.
It is not a winning message.

Which official in the administration said that? Can you link the quote?

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Anonymous wrote:Meanwhile in the EV world, prices for a Tesla are going up while rare earth metals like Nickel have seen a 250% increase in cost.

Are you going to blame Biden for not funding a nickel pipeline?

Hr'd not to blame for this increase.

But, he and the people in his administration who tell the working class people to "just buy an electric car" to combat gas prices are tone deaf.
It is not a winning message.

Who in the Biden Administration said that?

Meanwhile there are 74 MSA's in the United States whose AMI is below the price of the cheapest Tesla

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Anonymous wrote:Meanwhile in the EV world, prices for a Tesla are going up while rare earth metals like Nickel have seen a 250% increase in cost.

Are you going to blame Biden for not funding a nickel pipeline?

Hr'd not to blame for this increase.

But, he and the people in his administration who tell the working class people to "just buy an electric car" to combat gas prices are tone deaf.
It is not a winning message.

Anonymous wrote:Meanwhile in the EV world, prices for a Tesla are going up while rare earth metals like Nickel have seen a 250% increase in cost.

Are you going to blame Biden for not funding a nickel pipeline?