Anonymous
10/29/2024 14:33
Subject: Ukrainian victory over Russia is inevitable
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I support Ukraine and I’m happy that we’re giving them some money and supplies, and frankly I think we should probably just let them use our weapons to strike all military targets in Russia no matter how “deep” they are, but can someone please explain to me why we’re giving more $$$ than countries like Germany and France who are much closer? We’re on the other side of the world and I doubt the leaders in Europe are giving much to support Latin American countries like we do. Like I said, I’m happy to give some, but I feel like what we give should be (in absolute terms) far less than what countries in Europe are giving. And yes if that means European countries need to scale back their social welfare programs or other domestic spending in order to pay for it or go into debt then that’s what they should do. There should be more responsibility to look after the situation in your own backyard. We’re not the blank check for the entire world, especially when our government is increasing our already insanely high debt in order to pay for it.
We pay for it because we're the only ones that want this war. Everyone else wanted business as usual with Russia to come back ASAP. So much so that we, er someone, had to blow those pipes to Germany to keep them from getting any ideas. Whatever European enthusiasm for the war there was, has largely burnt out.
Ukraine is pretty much out of men now anyway, so it doesn't really matter what we send them.
An obscure example in support of that: at a recently wrapped up Global Book Exhibition and Fair in Frankfurt, Russia could no longer participate as an official delegation, yet they sent one general interest publishing house, and three children literature ones, and all were booked solid with agent meetings and negotiations all day long. Because business is ready to do business just as soon as it can.
Anonymous
10/29/2024 13:50
Subject: Ukrainian victory over Russia is inevitable
Anonymous wrote:I support Ukraine and I’m happy that we’re giving them some money and supplies, and frankly I think we should probably just let them use our weapons to strike all military targets in Russia no matter how “deep” they are, but can someone please explain to me why we’re giving more $$$ than countries like Germany and France who are much closer? We’re on the other side of the world and I doubt the leaders in Europe are giving much to support Latin American countries like we do. Like I said, I’m happy to give some, but I feel like what we give should be (in absolute terms) far less than what countries in Europe are giving. And yes if that means European countries need to scale back their social welfare programs or other domestic spending in order to pay for it or go into debt then that’s what they should do. There should be more responsibility to look after the situation in your own backyard. We’re not the blank check for the entire world, especially when our government is increasing our already insanely high debt in order to pay for it.
We pay for it because we're the only ones that want this war. Everyone else wanted business as usual with Russia to come back ASAP. So much so that we, er someone, had to blow those pipes to Germany to keep them from getting any ideas. Whatever European enthusiasm for the war there was, has largely burnt out.
Ukraine is pretty much out of men now anyway, so it doesn't really matter what we send them.
Anonymous
10/29/2024 13:01
Subject: Ukrainian victory over Russia is inevitable
diplomatic talks now
cease fire now
cease fire now
Anonymous
10/29/2024 13:00
Subject: Ukrainian victory over Russia is inevitable
I support Ukraine and I’m happy that we’re giving them some money and supplies, and frankly I think we should probably just let them use our weapons to strike all military targets in Russia no matter how “deep” they are, but can someone please explain to me why we’re giving more $$$ than countries like Germany and France who are much closer? We’re on the other side of the world and I doubt the leaders in Europe are giving much to support Latin American countries like we do. Like I said, I’m happy to give some, but I feel like what we give should be (in absolute terms) far less than what countries in Europe are giving. And yes if that means European countries need to scale back their social welfare programs or other domestic spending in order to pay for it or go into debt then that’s what they should do. There should be more responsibility to look after the situation in your own backyard. We’re not the blank check for the entire world, especially when our government is increasing our already insanely high debt in order to pay for it.
Anonymous
10/29/2024 12:57
Subject: Ukrainian victory over Russia is inevitable
lol, ok Elmo, than why is Russia producing 3x shells than US? All you care about are the returns you’re getting from your defense stocks.
Ukraine is a demographic disaster with an entire generation of young men dead and you’re bleating about the benefits of using up old stock and supplies. Bloodthirsty and money-hungry is never a good look.
Ukraine is a demographic disaster with an entire generation of young men dead and you’re bleating about the benefits of using up old stock and supplies. Bloodthirsty and money-hungry is never a good look.
Anonymous
10/29/2024 12:52
Subject: Ukrainian victory over Russia is inevitable
Anonymous wrote:Ew, it’s the bloodthirsty boomercon again. You pop up every time this thread is on life support.
Ukrainian lives don’t matter and apparently neither does their country’s sovereign wealth of critical minerals. You must own some BlackRock and Monsanto too.
https://www.rferl.org/a/ukraine-military-manpower-crisis-pressgang-recruitment/33161193.html
Those forced conscription clips are tragic.
Never any diplomacy happening but plenty of signed bombs. Theatre of the absurd
Ah yes - forced conscription, as if that hasn't been happening across Russia. Russia has been rounding up its prison inmates, many of its various indigenous non-Slav populace and other "undesirables" to send into the meat grinder and now North Korea is sending its surplus population to the meat grinder. Yet you want to wag your finger at Ukraine and the US and ignore that. Tsk, tsk.
Anonymous
10/29/2024 12:49
Subject: Ukrainian victory over Russia is inevitable
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Im still holding my breath. WOW I wonder what all these billions could do abroad our own country.
These billions make the entire world safer for Americans. Money well spent.
And it's just a tiny percentage of our DoD budget that we would have been spending anyhow. Plus we can use up our old stock and old supplies from the 1990s and earlier before it just rusts to pieces.
Anonymous
10/29/2024 12:46
Subject: Ukrainian victory over Russia is inevitable
Ew, it’s the bloodthirsty boomercon again. You pop up every time this thread is on life support.
Ukrainian lives don’t matter and apparently neither does their country’s sovereign wealth of critical minerals. You must own some BlackRock and Monsanto too.
https://www.rferl.org/a/ukraine-military-manpower-crisis-pressgang-recruitment/33161193.html
Those forced conscription clips are tragic.
Never any diplomacy happening but plenty of signed bombs. Theatre of the absurd
Ukrainian lives don’t matter and apparently neither does their country’s sovereign wealth of critical minerals. You must own some BlackRock and Monsanto too.
https://www.rferl.org/a/ukraine-military-manpower-crisis-pressgang-recruitment/33161193.html
Those forced conscription clips are tragic.
Never any diplomacy happening but plenty of signed bombs. Theatre of the absurd
Anonymous
10/29/2024 12:19
Subject: Ukrainian victory over Russia is inevitable
Anonymous wrote:Im still holding my breath. WOW I wonder what all these billions could do abroad our own country.
These billions make the entire world safer for Americans. Money well spent.
Anonymous
10/29/2024 09:51
Subject: Ukrainian victory over Russia is inevitable
Im still holding my breath. WOW I wonder what all these billions could do abroad our own country.
Anonymous
10/25/2024 14:58
Subject: Ukrainian victory over Russia is inevitable
It is good. Better than spending the money on vouchers to religious home schools or whatever the fk backward policy the republicans would otherwise fund with the money.
Anonymous
10/25/2024 14:45
Subject: Re:Ukrainian victory over Russia is inevitable
Anonymous wrote:There we go. ANOTHER 20 Billion.
US Plans To Contribute $20 Bn For Ukraine Loan: Yellen
The United States plans to contribute $20 billion to a G7 loan package for Ukraine and could soon announce new sanctions targeting Russian weapons procurement, Treasury Secretary Janet Yellen said Tuesday.
"We're very close to finalizing America's portion of this $50 billion loan package," she told a press conference, as world financial leaders gather in Washington for the annual meetings of the International Monetary Fund and World Bank.
G7 leaders are close to finalizing the plan, with policymakers set to meet later this week.
https://www.barrons.com/news/us-to-impose-strong-new-sanctions-aimed-at-russia-yellen-349e0394
Good.
Anonymous
10/24/2024 18:43
Subject: Re:Ukrainian victory over Russia is inevitable
There we go. ANOTHER 20 Billion.
US Plans To Contribute $20 Bn For Ukraine Loan: Yellen
The United States plans to contribute $20 billion to a G7 loan package for Ukraine and could soon announce new sanctions targeting Russian weapons procurement, Treasury Secretary Janet Yellen said Tuesday.
"We're very close to finalizing America's portion of this $50 billion loan package," she told a press conference, as world financial leaders gather in Washington for the annual meetings of the International Monetary Fund and World Bank.
G7 leaders are close to finalizing the plan, with policymakers set to meet later this week.
https://www.barrons.com/news/us-to-impose-strong-new-sanctions-aimed-at-russia-yellen-349e0394
US Plans To Contribute $20 Bn For Ukraine Loan: Yellen
The United States plans to contribute $20 billion to a G7 loan package for Ukraine and could soon announce new sanctions targeting Russian weapons procurement, Treasury Secretary Janet Yellen said Tuesday.
"We're very close to finalizing America's portion of this $50 billion loan package," she told a press conference, as world financial leaders gather in Washington for the annual meetings of the International Monetary Fund and World Bank.
G7 leaders are close to finalizing the plan, with policymakers set to meet later this week.
https://www.barrons.com/news/us-to-impose-strong-new-sanctions-aimed-at-russia-yellen-349e0394
Anonymous
10/13/2024 20:20
Subject: Ukrainian victory over Russia is inevitable
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This war seems unsustainable for Russia. They are winning tactical victories at the front but Ukraine seems to now be making more strategic victories, like blowing up Russian stockpiles of newly-bought Iranian Shaheeds, North Korean rockets and ammunition, and so on. So not only is Russia being depleted at its sources of existing weaponry, their newly purchased replacement weaponry is also fast going up in smoke. Not to mention, that Ukraine has now shown it can precisely find and target those ammunition stockpiles at remote Russian airfields and warehouses, hundreds of miles from the border.
Tactical victories of a few KM will become meaningless if suddenly Russian artillery no longer has shells and rockets to hold it or to continue advances.
Russia has been running out of ammo for two years straight now.
If you're trying to suggest it's some kind of "narrative" you need to stop and look at the fact that Russia had to lean on Iran, North Korea and others to help supply them. That wasn't happening at the beginning of the war, was it. (No, it wasn't). There are also numerous expert analyses including knowledgeable, accurate and reliable Russian milbloggers who have admitted and acknowledged Russian production can't keep pace, that Russia has been having to buy ammunition from elsewhere, and that many key Russian stockpiles have been destroyed by Ukraine, now to also include the ones newly replenished with weapons and ammo from North Korea and Iran. Or that many of the stockpiles have been confirmed as destroyed by satellite imagery.
I can't imagine what it must be like to be a pro-Russian poster with their head stuck in the sand to try and deny all of this.