Anonymous
01/21/2020 12:17
Subject: Re:APS: Think the "no move" campaign is going to work?
Anonymous wrote:I am starting to worry that the no movers will prevail and then it will be a very rough boundary process for everyone else next year. While the no movers sit tight and happy.
They won’t, because the county has told APS there will be no extra money and no new land, definitely not now and not in Rosslyn, but the kids keep coming. APS can’t afford to keep Key on Key. This is the best they can do given the absolute sh** sandwich they’ve been handed. The boundaries will have to be compromises between the cost of numbers of buses and shortening bus rides and not completely segregating the schools. It’s going to be hard. Let’s try to keep our heads.
Anonymous
01/21/2020 12:06
Subject: Re:APS: Think the "no move" campaign is going to work?
I am starting to worry that the no movers will prevail and then it will be a very rough boundary process for everyone else next year. While the no movers sit tight and happy.
Anonymous
01/21/2020 12:02
Subject: Re:APS: Think the "no move" campaign is going to work?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I’ll assume arguendo that Key is going to move to ATS. How will this work in 2021-22 in terms of new boundary? Will Key have a new boundary and name when it reopens as a neighborhood school in 2021?
Boundaries will be defined this fall. Use current ASFS boundary as a starting point.
It needs a name, program/curriculum, principal, etc. Takes time to start a new school.
Is the idea of actually including all of the Key walk zone in its boundary completely off the table? As a tax payer, I'm really disturbed by all of the maps I see where they are busing hundreds of kids from LV/Clarendon/Courthouse who could walk to Key, in order to make space to bus kids from Rosslyn to Key. My kids will have aged out of this by the time this takes place, but what a waste of money! Can they at least do the upper and lower schools between Key and ASFS so you're only busing half of them? Especially the posters on here that are convinced that houses a block from Key won't be zoned there! Key's zone isn't going to go past Bryan Street -- you realize that that means busing kids that are within a third of a mile of the school? Give me a break! What a waste of money!
It's basic math, folks. There are not enough seats at Key neighborhood elementary for all of Rosslyn AND Clarendon/Courthouse. Something has to to give. Let me guess, you want Rosslyn to take their long bus ride to Taylor so you can keep Clarendon and Courthouse at Key neighborhood.
Yeah, let’s bus kids past Key, past ASFS, to Taylor halfway across the county (3.1 miles from River Place a huge bus stop; it’s 5.8 miles to East Falls Church) so PP can walk.
#longestbusride
So I was one of the higher posters who (let me reiterate) is not directly affected by this. My kids will be in middle school and high school by the time this gets implemented. My kids are never walking to a school at Key. I live across the street from key, so yes, I have a vested interest in reducing the traffic there (going down to six buses would be great). I am disturbed by the fact that every map put out by the public or aps at this point has over 200 walkers from key on a bus. I don't think its fair for for Rosslyn to go to Taylor, but its not fiscally responsible to bus other people so they can go to Key. I am bothered by the fact that we are actually talking about busing kids who can walk to another school so we can shorten bus rides for some other bus riders. Each bus is 100k -- you are adding a hundreds of thousands of dollars (if not millions) to the APS operating budget, especially if you factor in that once those kids get moved, its locked for five years. I am all for "transportation equity" but just adding buses is not sustainable. Neither is assuming that people who literally live within a third of a mile to the school should be bused somewhere because they can. You're not really encouraging neighborhood support for your cause here.
Everyone should take a breath. If you are not ok with kids currently zoned for asfs going to taylor (which it sounds like you are not), then you should support the idea of a upper and lower school. I think its the only way where you can still give kids at Rosslyn a short bus ride without keeping a ridiculous number of buses at Key and ASFS.
Either way it is way to premature for you to be picking a fight over boundaries. You can put your hashtag away.
For someone not invested you sure wrote a lot.
As for fiscally responsible, busing Rosslyn kids to Key and Key walkers to ASFS etc is FAR FAR cheaper than buying land and building a neighborhood elementary school closer to Rosslyn. That’s the reality we are dealing with. You could argue that buying land in Rosslyn would be a better long term investment but cash flow wise its a hard sell.
So other than complaining about too many buses and Key walkers being bused, in your long paragraph you never actually offered an alternative???
Anywyays, no movers will prevail so it’s all moot anyways.
Anonymous
01/21/2020 11:54
Subject: Re:APS: Think the "no move" campaign is going to work?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I’ll assume arguendo that Key is going to move to ATS. How will this work in 2021-22 in terms of new boundary? Will Key have a new boundary and name when it reopens as a neighborhood school in 2021?
Boundaries will be defined this fall. Use current ASFS boundary as a starting point.
It needs a name, program/curriculum, principal, etc. Takes time to start a new school.
Is the idea of actually including all of the Key walk zone in its boundary completely off the table? As a tax payer, I'm really disturbed by all of the maps I see where they are busing hundreds of kids from LV/Clarendon/Courthouse who could walk to Key, in order to make space to bus kids from Rosslyn to Key. My kids will have aged out of this by the time this takes place, but what a waste of money! Can they at least do the upper and lower schools between Key and ASFS so you're only busing half of them? Especially the posters on here that are convinced that houses a block from Key won't be zoned there! Key's zone isn't going to go past Bryan Street -- you realize that that means busing kids that are within a third of a mile of the school? Give me a break! What a waste of money!
It's basic math, folks. There are not enough seats at Key neighborhood elementary for all of Rosslyn AND Clarendon/Courthouse. Something has to to give. Let me guess, you want Rosslyn to take their long bus ride to Taylor so you can keep Clarendon and Courthouse at Key neighborhood.
Yeah, let’s bus kids past Key, past ASFS, to Taylor halfway across the county (3.1 miles from River Place a huge bus stop; it’s 5.8 miles to East Falls Church) so PP can walk.
#longestbusride
So I was one of the higher posters who (let me reiterate) is not directly affected by this. My kids will be in middle school and high school by the time this gets implemented. My kids are never walking to a school at Key. I live across the street from key, so yes, I have a vested interest in reducing the traffic there (going down to six buses would be great). I am disturbed by the fact that every map put out by the public or aps at this point has over 200 walkers from key on a bus. I don't think its fair for for Rosslyn to go to Taylor, but its not fiscally responsible to bus other people so they can go to Key. I am bothered by the fact that we are actually talking about busing kids who can walk to another school so we can shorten bus rides for some other bus riders. Each bus is 100k -- you are adding a hundreds of thousands of dollars (if not millions) to the APS operating budget, especially if you factor in that once those kids get moved, its locked for five years. I am all for "transportation equity" but just adding buses is not sustainable. Neither is assuming that people who literally live within a third of a mile to the school should be bused somewhere because they can. You're not really encouraging neighborhood support for your cause here.
Everyone should take a breath. If you are not ok with kids currently zoned for asfs going to taylor (which it sounds like you are not), then you should support the idea of a upper and lower school. I think its the only way where you can still give kids at Rosslyn a short bus ride without keeping a ridiculous number of buses at Key and ASFS.
Either way it is way to premature for you to be picking a fight over boundaries. You can put your hashtag away.
Anonymous
01/21/2020 11:52
Subject: APS: Think the "no move" campaign is going to work?
Anonymous wrote:I am getting really nervous by the number of ‘no move’ petition pleas popping up on my Facebook newsfeed. All from wealthy McK families incidentally. I really hope all of the posters here who support the move are writing to the school board. I’ve written twice before but I am about to send my 3rd email.
Anonymous
01/21/2020 11:50
Subject: APS: Think the "no move" campaign is going to work?
Anonymous wrote:I am getting really nervous by the number of ‘no move’ petition pleas popping up on my Facebook newsfeed. All from wealthy McK families incidentally. I really hope all of the posters here who support the move are writing to the school board. I’ve written twice before but I am about to send my 3rd email.
It’s all about the Big Mo as George Bush I used to say (I think). The no move side has it.
Anonymous
01/21/2020 11:50
Subject: APS: Think the "no move" campaign is going to work?
Anonymous wrote:What is the tl;dr summary of: Will the No Move campaign actually work?
Obviously none of us has a crystal ball, but given that four of the five SB members showed strong support for proposal one at the last meeting, the “no move” folks aren’t putting up any new arguments to change minds, there are no note work sessions scheduled for this matter, and it’s not on the agenda for the last board meeting before the public hearing, I’d say that odds are the “no move” campaign will fail.
Anonymous
01/21/2020 11:48
Subject: APS: Think the "no move" campaign is going to work?
Anonymous wrote:I am getting really nervous by the number of ‘no move’ petition pleas popping up on my Facebook newsfeed. All from wealthy McK families incidentally. I really hope all of the posters here who support the move are writing to the school board. I’ve written twice before but I am about to send my 3rd email.
I have. I encourage others to write as well. I don’t have faith in the backbone of the school board.
Anonymous
01/21/2020 11:47
Subject: APS: Think the "no move" campaign is going to work?
I am getting really nervous by the number of ‘no move’ petition pleas popping up on my Facebook newsfeed. All from wealthy McK families incidentally. I really hope all of the posters here who support the move are writing to the school board. I’ve written twice before but I am about to send my 3rd email.
Anonymous
01/21/2020 11:44
Subject: APS: Think the "no move" campaign is going to work?
What is the tl;dr summary of: Will the No Move campaign actually work?
Anonymous
01/21/2020 10:56
Subject: APS: Think the "no move" campaign is going to work?
For McKinley: N of 66 go to Reed, MM goes to Tuckahoe, DH goes to Ashlawn
Anonymous
01/21/2020 10:54
Subject: Re:APS: Think the "no move" campaign is going to work?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I’ll assume arguendo that Key is going to move to ATS. How will this work in 2021-22 in terms of new boundary? Will Key have a new boundary and name when it reopens as a neighborhood school in 2021?
Boundaries will be defined this fall. Use current ASFS boundary as a starting point.
It needs a name, program/curriculum, principal, etc. Takes time to start a new school.
Is the idea of actually including all of the Key walk zone in its boundary completely off the table? As a tax payer, I'm really disturbed by all of the maps I see where they are busing hundreds of kids from LV/Clarendon/Courthouse who could walk to Key, in order to make space to bus kids from Rosslyn to Key. My kids will have aged out of this by the time this takes place, but what a waste of money! Can they at least do the upper and lower schools between Key and ASFS so you're only busing half of them? Especially the posters on here that are convinced that houses a block from Key won't be zoned there! Key's zone isn't going to go past Bryan Street -- you realize that that means busing kids that are within a third of a mile of the school? Give me a break! What a waste of money!
It's basic math, folks. There are not enough seats at Key neighborhood elementary for all of Rosslyn AND Clarendon/Courthouse. Something has to to give. Let me guess, you want Rosslyn to take their long bus ride to Taylor so you can keep Clarendon and Courthouse at Key neighborhood.
Yeah, let’s bus kids past Key, past ASFS, to Taylor halfway across the county (3.1 miles from River Place a huge bus stop; it’s 5.8 miles to East Falls Church) so PP can walk.
#longestbusride
Anonymous
01/21/2020 10:48
Subject: APS: Think the "no move" campaign is going to work?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Re: Boundaries.
Assuming the move we know that 1/2 of McK will go to Reed, where are the other half of McK's crowd GOING.
Also, where's the other half of Reed COMING FROM?
I've seen the various maps; just find them really hard to read.
Is there a chart?
Probably more than half to Reed. Ashlawn can absorb some.
Regarding filling Reed, Glebe and Tuckahoe have planning units nearby. There’s going to be so much shuffling around it’s hard to say who will end up where. Plus, schools don’t have to be at 100% capacity.
About 100 will come from Tuckahoe. The Nottingham planning units south of Lee Highway will go to Reed. A few planning units from Glebe. And I'm guessing it will be closer to 70% that will come from McKinley.
The walkable McKinley units in Madison Manor could easily wind up at Tuckahoe.
Anonymous
01/21/2020 10:41
Subject: APS: Think the "no move" campaign is going to work?
Anonymous wrote:Re: Boundaries.
Assuming the move we know that 1/2 of McK will go to Reed, where are the other half of McK's crowd GOING.
Also, where's the other half of Reed COMING FROM?
I've seen the various maps; just find them really hard to read.
Is there a chart?
Probably more than half to Reed. Ashlawn can absorb some.
Regarding filling Reed, Glebe and Tuckahoe have planning units nearby. There’s going to be so much shuffling around it’s hard to say who will end up where. Plus, schools don’t have to be at 100% capacity.
Anonymous
01/21/2020 10:26
Subject: Re:APS: Think the "no move" campaign is going to work?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I’ll assume arguendo that Key is going to move to ATS. How will this work in 2021-22 in terms of new boundary? Will Key have a new boundary and name when it reopens as a neighborhood school in 2021?
Boundaries will be defined this fall. Use current ASFS boundary as a starting point.
It needs a name, program/curriculum, principal, etc. Takes time to start a new school.
Is the idea of actually including all of the Key walk zone in its boundary completely off the table? As a tax payer, I'm really disturbed by all of the maps I see where they are busing hundreds of kids from LV/Clarendon/Courthouse who could walk to Key, in order to make space to bus kids from Rosslyn to Key. My kids will have aged out of this by the time this takes place, but what a waste of money! Can they at least do the upper and lower schools between Key and ASFS so you're only busing half of them? Especially the posters on here that are convinced that houses a block from Key won't be zoned there! Key's zone isn't going to go past Bryan Street -- you realize that that means busing kids that are within a third of a mile of the school? Give me a break! What a waste of money!
It's basic math, folks. There are not enough seats at Key neighborhood elementary for all of Rosslyn AND Clarendon/Courthouse. Something has to to give. Let me guess, you want Rosslyn to take their long bus ride to Taylor so you can keep Clarendon and Courthouse at Key neighborhood.
Outside of the walk zone could be on the chopping block.
Some of the current ASFS zone will be zoned to Long Branch, ASFS, or Taylor even with the school moves. Some planning units will end up with a sub-optimal situation. However WAY more will be better off than with no moves, which is the fight we are having today. Who goes where is a fight for later.