I saw it as Andy trying to stop the "dream team" punching bag of B that was happening. It's not fun to watch everyone against one. Sonja was trying to help B, but was being pretty quiet, she needed someone to even it out a bit since they just say "lies lies lies" to every point B makes, valid or not.

Bottom line, B is a much more interesting character for the show than C ever was or will be. C really doesn't have a "career" at this point- there was no story line about her writing anything this season- and she was barely writing the past seasons. Running a marathon? Lots of people do that WITH jobs AND children. That's literally the only thing she did this season besides fight with B. It's fine to not work if you don't have to- Tinsley does it unapologetically, but don't compare your career 10 years ago (which was great... then) with B who is at speaking engagements literally every other week and on the cover of business magazines. Maybe that hard bit of truth is why she "left" to focus on her "other projects" or whatever excuse she said. If you're boring and attack essentially the creator of the network's cornerstone branded show, you will be let go. You all saw Ramona kiss Andy's ass during commercial break (and they chose to show that of course)- she fights with B too and for longer-- she's not going anywhere because she knows how to play the game and stay interesting.

Omg did you SEE bethennys face when Carole called out Andy for siding with b. Bethenny lit up because she knew Carole just made her coffin. C pissed off the producer and B was relishing in the fact that C just essencially got herself fired

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Show doesn't need to be revived. Its so much better with single women. Do you really want to see housewives shuffling their kids around? IVF treatments? Or an inevitable divorce? No thanks.

+1. This season and last season were much better to watch than some of the other seasons with husbands.

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Anonymous wrote:Clearly Bethenny has something on Cohen. He rescued her each time things started to get tough for her at the Reunion. This season was great but maybe it’s time to bring in some new ( younger) players. I think if Tinsley had other cast members her own age she may be more interesting to watch. I would hope that Lu moves on at this point and focuses on sobriety and I think Bethenny could use some quiet reflection. All she has in life is her daughter and she would probably be a happier person if she focused on her instead of chasing famr

Literally none of them are WIVES. Remember when it started? Alex McCord was married to Weird Simon, Jill and Bobby, Ramona and Mario, Lu and Count. B was the only unmarried one. I think if they went back to actual, literal houseWIVES it would revive the show, and bring it home in a way.

Show doesn't need to be revived. Its so much better with single women. Do you really want to see housewives shuffling their kids around? IVF treatments? Or an inevitable divorce? No thanks.

Anonymous wrote:Clearly Bethenny has something on Cohen. He rescued her each time things started to get tough for her at the Reunion. This season was great but maybe it’s time to bring in some new ( younger) players. I think if Tinsley had other cast members her own age she may be more interesting to watch. I would hope that Lu moves on at this point and focuses on sobriety and I think Bethenny could use some quiet reflection. All she has in life is her daughter and she would probably be a happier person if she focused on her instead of chasing famr

Literally none of them are WIVES. Remember when it started? Alex McCord was married to Weird Simon, Jill and Bobby, Ramona and Mario, Lu and Count. B was the only unmarried one. I think if they went back to actual, literal houseWIVES it would revive the show, and bring it home in a way.

Clearly Bethenny has something on Cohen. He rescued her each time things started to get tough for her at the Reunion. This season was great but maybe it’s time to bring in some new ( younger) players. I think if Tinsley had other cast members her own age she may be more interesting to watch. I would hope that Lu moves on at this point and focuses on sobriety and I think Bethenny could use some quiet reflection. All she has in life is her daughter and she would probably be a happier person if she focused on her instead of chasing famr

I think it's all smoke and mirrors, what we see =/= reality.

But what I do think is telling is that Andy really seemed to be leaning to B's side of things and Carole was clearly annoyed by his resistance to villianizing B.

I don't think Andy Cohen is stupid, and he clearly sees the off camera antics as much as anyone on the show - whether he would do that purely because all publicity is good publicity, I can't say.

Anonymous wrote:I thought Bethenny was ridiculous at the reunion. I'm done with Sonja. 90% of everything she says is make believe and now she is so far up B's butt. Boring. Boring. I hate shrill screamers and Bethenny always incites this type of behavior. I wish Dorinda would get clean. I love Dorinda when she isn't drunk.

B lied multiple times. She makes herself hard to like.

Anonymous wrote:I thought Bethenny was ridiculous at the reunion. I'm done with Sonja. 90% of everything she says is make believe and now she is so far up B's butt. Boring. Boring. I hate shrill screamers and Bethenny always incites this type of behavior. I wish Dorinda would get clean. I love Dorinda when she isn't drunk.

I don’t think Dorinda can be salvaged unless she goes to rehab.

Glad Carole’s gone.

I thought Bethenny was ridiculous at the reunion. I'm done with Sonja. 90% of everything she says is make believe and now she is so far up B's butt. Boring. Boring. I hate shrill screamers and Bethenny always incites this type of behavior. I wish Dorinda would get clean. I love Dorinda when she isn't drunk.

I thought Dorinda and Carole were really childish at the reunion. Ramona was too but she usually is and I expect that from her.

Let's start with I clearly have too much time on my hands.

Looked at Carole's insta tonight.

She posted a pic of her and Dorinda on the night of the reunion. Got TONS of hate. TONS.

She posted a pic today and responded to a bunch (at least 8) of pro-Carole comments, thereby boosting them to the top of her feed.

Maybe just let it go at this point? You're probably not changing anyone's mind whatever side they are on and it just feels cringe-worthy that she's taking the time to do that. Yikes.

—the scene with Ramona yelling at b for being unsupportive of the skincare line while b was trying to talk to Carole after the Caberet show, was ridiculous. Ramona walked away with her face Approaching the camera with a wobbly voice and pretended to cry. So fake.

—Ramona insulting Bethenny’s breast implants was nonsensical - which she “clarified” bc she got them later than Bethenny - someone making Ramona less fake. Huh?

—carole is gross now. How when confronted with calling b a narcissist, she asked when she called b a narcissist and when b told her she said oh well, I call them as I see them. No “I went to far” or “I’m sorry I used that word.” No, she doesn’t need to be sorry but if you truly don’t recall using that term publically on a former friend, it has to mean you trash that friend always, in all ways. (It means you’ve said such an abundance of stuff about your friend that you can’t keep it straight).

—I think carole’s Beef is largely about Adam wanting to be paid - which is a dumb reason. He had a right to ask and she had a right to say no. I also think she kept everything in and was star struck initially. Now, however she’s a bitch. Every time anyone says anything abt b she’s cackling or making a jab. The bravo camera goes right to her at the reunion every time someone ELSE insults b. (Like her little laugh st Ramona mentioning b’s implants).

—I’m not really a fan of Bethenny but thought they did (Carole and Ramona) gang up on her. First I thought Andy was coddling b but then I saw him also try to ask her pointed questions and did find him fair

— the other ladies didn’t film at Bobby’s funeral bc they weren’t asked to. They didn’t even know it was at jill’s Request. I’m sure if they knew they would have filmed.

—immediately before Dorinda was confronted by Andy abt her drinking, Bethenny seemed to quietly say she was a drunk. Not outwardly but nodding or something- but then she backtracked when b was asked directly about that. I didn’t like that.

—it isn’t just that d drinks, gets drunk, yells, slurs and acts inappropriately. She also has black out periods AND with periods she does recall, she has this weird “remorse” — she’ll say sorry but doesn’t mean it and stands he ground on defending her behavior. She comes out swinging. Other than her drinking and trashy behavior, she added little to the show: going on and on abt the nutcracker (yeah, I’d be pissed of my friend didn’t thank me as I wished to be thanked but move on, I’d be pissed my friend didn’t invite my boyfriend to her Caberet act but move on and stop yelling the name of the dress designer I hooked my friend up with over and over. She wants to be fawned over when she does a favor. Gimme a break

—no one memntioned Sonja drinking again - and, like Lou, it was more than one when she fell off the wagon



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Anonymous wrote:Carole's definition of ride or die seems to be, once I've aligned myself with you I will never ever call you on any of your atrocious behavior.

When she was buds with Bethenny, she didn't call her on anything when she really should have (the screaming at LuAnn business). And now Dorinda. You're really not going to tell Dorinda that she is a drunken, Joker-esque, hot mess?

That's not my definition of a good friend. My definition of a good friend is someone who kindly points out to me when I'm going down the wrong path.

Off-screen though. Not as a character on TV. That's what a real friend would do.

I totally understand what you are saying, but it can't really work that way when the horrid behavior is on camera. These women have chosen to put their lives out there. We can all see when Bethenny screams like an unhinged lunatic or Dorinda blacks out and insults people. There is no unseeing it. And then the behavior is discussed because that's the format of the show. Sure, do it in a kind and constructive way with your friend, but to sit there and deny it publicly is delusional.

Yeah, this show/the format does not make for healthy relationships or friendships. But I do think a real friend's instinct is to talk about whatever the issue is off-camera. Is it not what they signed up for? Maybe. But you didn't see Bethenny going on about what was really happening with Dennis, did you? That wouldn't have been right. That's part of what a friend does. You are honest with your friend to their face and in private abut their most personal and painful issues, but you don't put their stuff out in front street for the looky-loos, unless or until they are also willing to share, not even if you're on a TV show that purports to be "reality." This show isn't really reality. There's no such thing as reality television (except maybe hidden camera shows). It's reality-ish.

I loved when Bethenny tried to accuse Ramona of calling Sonja out about her “businesses” and everyone jumped on her that it was Bethenny who used to attack Sonja. Has she truly fought with everyone about everything so that she can’t keep it straight anymore?