Anonymous
01/02/2018 16:44
Subject: Re:Travel Soccer teams around NOVA let's discuss Part II
Anonymous wrote:The coaches for DA at our club are the same recycled travel coaches that have been to many clubs. Nothing special.
Conflict of interest is a problem from what I've experienced at the local DA level. Often times more to do with personal relationships rather than soccer ability. It should never happen at the DA level. DA coaches should have very little, if any, outside affiliation with players being coached. Good ole American soccer, oh my!
Yes, but as more and more DA graduates go to Pro's stateside or other academies outside of US, those DA programs that have the right recipe will stand out. I keep hearing about RSL and Dallas as the MLS DA clubs you want to be associated with. It will take time, but ultimately the DA clubs that charge significantly more for on par travel level training with personal relationships being the main recruitment device should in theory thin out or be forced to change. Think of Jorgan Morris however, he's not necessarily a bad player, but his dad working for the Seattle Sounders certainly didn't hurt when he was being scouted. It's just how America is, those with more wherewithal are able to purchase more opportunities. Think of the students able to apply to 20 colleges and consistently take the SAT/ACT tests on top of taking prep courses as well.
Anonymous
01/02/2018 16:20
Subject: Re:Travel Soccer teams around NOVA let's discuss Part II
The coaches for DA at our club are the same recycled travel coaches that have been to many clubs. Nothing special.
Conflict of interest is a problem from what I've experienced at the local DA level. Often times more to do with personal relationships rather than soccer ability. It should never happen at the DA level. DA coaches should have very little, if any, outside affiliation with players being coached. Good ole American soccer, oh my!
Anonymous
01/02/2018 14:08
Subject: Travel Soccer teams around NOVA let's discuss Part II
There will always be spots available, maybe just not at the college you would have chosen to study/reside/socialize for the next four years of your life and to an extent prepare yourself for the next 10 years of your career. At that point having a position available on a college soccer team, no guarantee of playing time mind you, is certainly not on the list of priorities, if your list is a good one.
Anonymous
01/02/2018 12:30
Subject: Travel Soccer teams around NOVA let's discuss Part II
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:https://www.ussoccer.com/stories/2017/12/29/17/28/20171229-news-ynt-first-ever-us-soccer-mens-ynt-summit-brings-153-players-together-in-single-camp
USMNT summit, several players from the area are a the ding, was surprised to see the German club's have academy products. Also, didn't see any travel club's mentioned, just DA or European academies, a couple "unattached" including one from Manassas VA. For me, if there was any doubt the national championships and national league for both USYS and Club Soccer were irrelevant when it comes to being scouted by the US Soccer, this list of summit attendees removed all doubt. Onky parents and club's cashing in travel fees care about those championships.
Exactly what travel club do you expect U20 players to be training with? The list you looked at and are complaining about are college age kids now and are no longer affiliated with club soccer. ?
The summit has several age groups, you just have to read more. There are U19 age groups in club soccer, btw. They started after the age group change.
And the U19 age group only had 4 kids listing a European club. But either way your whole point is flawed as the kids in Europe were already scouted while in DA before they made their move to Europe. In fact it was DA that gave them the platform to be scouted by the European clubs. Pulisic was scouted by Dortmund while he played in DA.
DA is different than travel soccer, although both do a fair amount of traveling. Travel soccer in it's early teen years takes a very results-oriented path that can be followed through the USYS championships, cross-country tournaments, league games to stake a place in said championships and to win the league in different states, state cup championships, separately ODP can have a very involved path on its own.
That being said, you can have a travel club with it's diaspora of red/white/blue teams and it also have a DA team in various age groups that competes against other DA teams. They are not mutually exclusive. My point, which I don't believe you have countered if that was your intent, was that it seems the DA teams is where most players for the USMNT will be coming from. We as American's tend to outsource the quality control when we can, so collegiate soccer programs, if they have not already, will follow suit. It then follows that the national youth championships will be irrelevant, after all what are you the champion of if the majority of players serious about playing soccer in collegiate and professional teams aren't competing against you.
Let me say that facts are often insufficient, on their own, to persuade others. If you believe that you or your DC are champions of the United States then no one will be able to sway you from this belief.
Who made the claim that USYS National Championship or the US Club Soccer Championship means anything to anyone other than the kids playing in them? Certainly not me. And as far as DA and College soccer goes, US Soccer would prefer that capable players would turn pro and train in a professional environment as opposed to college.
If kids on NPL or USYS National quality level teams or below want to play in college they can play in college. There are spots available.
Anonymous
01/02/2018 11:54
Subject: Travel Soccer teams around NOVA let's discuss Part II
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:https://www.ussoccer.com/stories/2017/12/29/17/28/20171229-news-ynt-first-ever-us-soccer-mens-ynt-summit-brings-153-players-together-in-single-camp
USMNT summit, several players from the area are a the ding, was surprised to see the German club's have academy products. Also, didn't see any travel club's mentioned, just DA or European academies, a couple "unattached" including one from Manassas VA. For me, if there was any doubt the national championships and national league for both USYS and Club Soccer were irrelevant when it comes to being scouted by the US Soccer, this list of summit attendees removed all doubt. Onky parents and club's cashing in travel fees care about those championships.
Exactly what travel club do you expect U20 players to be training with? The list you looked at and are complaining about are college age kids now and are no longer affiliated with club soccer. ?
The summit has several age groups, you just have to read more. There are U19 age groups in club soccer, btw. They started after the age group change.
And the U19 age group only had 4 kids listing a European club. But either way your whole point is flawed as the kids in Europe were already scouted while in DA before they made their move to Europe. In fact it was DA that gave them the platform to be scouted by the European clubs. Pulisic was scouted by Dortmund while he played in DA.
DA is different than travel soccer, although both do a fair amount of traveling. Travel soccer in it's early teen years takes a very results-oriented path that can be followed through the USYS championships, cross-country tournaments, league games to stake a place in said championships and to win the league in different states, state cup championships, separately ODP can have a very involved path on its own.
That being said, you can have a travel club with it's diaspora of red/white/blue teams and it also have a DA team in various age groups that competes against other DA teams. They are not mutually exclusive. My point, which I don't believe you have countered if that was your intent, was that it seems the DA teams is where most players for the USMNT will be coming from. We as American's tend to outsource the quality control when we can, so collegiate soccer programs, if they have not already, will follow suit. It then follows that the national youth championships will be irrelevant, after all what are you the champion of if the majority of players serious about playing soccer in collegiate and professional teams aren't competing against you.
Let me say that facts are often insufficient, on their own, to persuade others. If you believe that you or your DC are champions of the United States then no one will be able to sway you from this belief.
Anonymous
01/02/2018 07:31
Subject: Travel Soccer teams around NOVA let's discuss Part II
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:https://www.ussoccer.com/stories/2017/12/29/17/28/20171229-news-ynt-first-ever-us-soccer-mens-ynt-summit-brings-153-players-together-in-single-camp
USMNT summit, several players from the area are a the ding, was surprised to see the German club's have academy products. Also, didn't see any travel club's mentioned, just DA or European academies, a couple "unattached" including one from Manassas VA. For me, if there was any doubt the national championships and national league for both USYS and Club Soccer were irrelevant when it comes to being scouted by the US Soccer, this list of summit attendees removed all doubt. Onky parents and club's cashing in travel fees care about those championships.
Exactly what travel club do you expect U20 players to be training with? The list you looked at and are complaining about are college age kids now and are no longer affiliated with club soccer. ?
The summit has several age groups, you just have to read more. There are U19 age groups in club soccer, btw. They started after the age group change.
And the U19 age group only had 4 kids listing a European club. But either way your whole point is flawed as the kids in Europe were already scouted while in DA before they made their move to Europe. In fact it was DA that gave them the platform to be scouted by the European clubs. Pulisic was scouted by Dortmund while he played in DA.
Anonymous
01/02/2018 03:16
Subject: Travel Soccer teams around NOVA let's discuss Part II
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:https://www.ussoccer.com/stories/2017/12/29/17/28/20171229-news-ynt-first-ever-us-soccer-mens-ynt-summit-brings-153-players-together-in-single-camp
USMNT summit, several players from the area are a the ding, was surprised to see the German club's have academy products. Also, didn't see any travel club's mentioned, just DA or European academies, a couple "unattached" including one from Manassas VA. For me, if there was any doubt the national championships and national league for both USYS and Club Soccer were irrelevant when it comes to being scouted by the US Soccer, this list of summit attendees removed all doubt. Onky parents and club's cashing in travel fees care about those championships.
Exactly what travel club do you expect U20 players to be training with? The list you looked at and are complaining about are college age kids now and are no longer affiliated with club soccer. ?
The summit has several age groups, you just have to read more. There are U19 age groups in club soccer, btw. They started after the age group change.
Anonymous
01/01/2018 10:21
Subject: Travel Soccer teams around NOVA let's discuss Part II
Anonymous wrote:https://www.ussoccer.com/stories/2017/12/29/17/28/20171229-news-ynt-first-ever-us-soccer-mens-ynt-summit-brings-153-players-together-in-single-camp
USMNT summit, several players from the area are a the ding, was surprised to see the German club's have academy products. Also, didn't see any travel club's mentioned, just DA or European academies, a couple "unattached" including one from Manassas VA. For me, if there was any doubt the national championships and national league for both USYS and Club Soccer were irrelevant when it comes to being scouted by the US Soccer, this list of summit attendees removed all doubt. Onky parents and club's cashing in travel fees care about those championships.
Exactly what travel club do you expect U20 players to be training with? The list you looked at and are complaining about are college age kids now and are no longer affiliated with club soccer. ?
Anonymous
12/30/2017 19:00
Subject: Re:Travel Soccer teams around NOVA let's discuss Part II
To be fair, I'd say the players also care about those championships. US Soccer doesn't do nearly enough to identify talent
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Anonymous
12/30/2017 11:32
Subject: Travel Soccer teams around NOVA let's discuss Part II
https://www.ussoccer.com/stories/2017/12/29/17/28/20171229-news-ynt-first-ever-us-soccer-mens-ynt-summit-brings-153-players-together-in-single-camp
USMNT summit, several players from the area are a the ding, was surprised to see the German club's have academy products. Also, didn't see any travel club's mentioned, just DA or European academies, a couple "unattached" including one from Manassas VA. For me, if there was any doubt the national championships and national league for both USYS and Club Soccer were irrelevant when it comes to being scouted by the US Soccer, this list of summit attendees removed all doubt. Onky parents and club's cashing in travel fees care about those championships.
USMNT summit, several players from the area are a the ding, was surprised to see the German club's have academy products. Also, didn't see any travel club's mentioned, just DA or European academies, a couple "unattached" including one from Manassas VA. For me, if there was any doubt the national championships and national league for both USYS and Club Soccer were irrelevant when it comes to being scouted by the US Soccer, this list of summit attendees removed all doubt. Onky parents and club's cashing in travel fees care about those championships.
Anonymous
12/29/2017 00:25
Subject: Re:Travel Soccer teams around NOVA let's discuss Part II
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Too bad this won't happen in 2018...my son is hoping to play DA (U12) next fall, but if the local DA team has the same coach...no freaking way, staying w/nvsc
Can I ask what is the issue with the coach ? I thought DA was supposed to have the best coaches and best facilities and that is what sets it apart from all the other leagues ?
The coaches for DA at our club are the same recycled travel coaches that have been to many clubs. Nothing special.
Anonymous
12/28/2017 20:58
Subject: Re:Travel Soccer teams around NOVA let's discuss Part II
Anonymous wrote:Too bad this won't happen in 2018...my son is hoping to play DA (U12) next fall, but if the local DA team has the same coach...no freaking way, staying w/nvsc
Can I ask what is the issue with the coach ? I thought DA was supposed to have the best coaches and best facilities and that is what sets it apart from all the other leagues ?
Anonymous
12/23/2017 18:50
Subject: Travel Soccer teams around NOVA let's discuss Part II
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Thoughts on the announcement that DC United will be moving it's offices and youth programs to Loudoun? I'm sure the clubs in that area will not be very happy about losing field space and top talent to DCU.
I hadn't heard that. Where in Loudoun? We were considering DC United's DA for our son for next year, but that's too far to go.
this is the article. I assume the final move is still about 2 years out. Looks like it still needs final approval.
https://www.soccerwire.com/notes/d-c-united-loudoun-county-in-discussions-to-develop-major-facility/
Does anyone know anything about DCU doing anything at George Mason's facilities? I thought that was supposed to happen.
I find the Leesburg location interesting given what opened out there recently.
Yes, I wonder how this will effect (if at all) the current shortage of youth soccer field space in Loudoun County. With Loudoun, FCV, and FCB Escola all vying for space in the county, it would seem this can't help.
FCBEscola is pretty secure with their field space. The move of DC United to Loudoun would impact Loudoun Soccer on the boys side severely with any DA expansion plans. But it sounds like DCU is planning to build a facility which would likely not impact the clubs negatively in regards to space.
Anonymous
12/23/2017 17:09
Subject: Travel Soccer teams around NOVA let's discuss Part II
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Thoughts on the announcement that DC United will be moving it's offices and youth programs to Loudoun? I'm sure the clubs in that area will not be very happy about losing field space and top talent to DCU.
I hadn't heard that. Where in Loudoun? We were considering DC United's DA for our son for next year, but that's too far to go.
this is the article. I assume the final move is still about 2 years out. Looks like it still needs final approval.
https://www.soccerwire.com/notes/d-c-united-loudoun-county-in-discussions-to-develop-major-facility/
Does anyone know anything about DCU doing anything at George Mason's facilities? I thought that was supposed to happen.
I find the Leesburg location interesting given what opened out there recently.
Yes, I wonder how this will effect (if at all) the current shortage of youth soccer field space in Loudoun County. With Loudoun, FCV, and FCB Escola all vying for space in the county, it would seem this can't help.
Anonymous
12/23/2017 10:07
Subject: Re:Travel Soccer teams around NOVA let's discuss Part II
Anonymous wrote:There you have it folks.
US didn't qualify for the World Cup.
http://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=20986667
Solution...
https://mobile.twitter.com/DeportesMarti/status/944003135982395398/video/1