Anonymous
07/01/2025 09:28
Subject: Big Beautiful Bill
Anonymous wrote:Collins has said that she is still a No. (Last night when she voted yes, she said then that she would not vote for the bill.) Randy and Tillis will not change their votes. If Collins votes No, the BBB will not pass.
It's fascinating how Senate Majority Leader Thune is doing absolutely nothing to push this bill. It's really a no-win situation for the Republicans, and at least some of them seem to know it.
Why in the world did she vote yes yesterday only to say she will eventually vote no. She is unreliable.
Anonymous
07/01/2025 09:10
Subject: Big Beautiful Bill
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:At the moment, the Senate clearly doesn't have the votes. As far as I can tell, Paul, Tillis, Murkowski and maybe Collins are holding out? Or perhaps McConnell? Hard to say who the 4th is.
Have Murkowski and Collins ever held out on any vote? They just pretend to to fool their dumb constituents.
Anonymous
07/01/2025 09:09
Subject: Big Beautiful Bill
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
It was little noticed in the US at the time, but the US and Elon Musk's Starlink turned off all support for US weapons systems in Ukraine during Russia's offensive to retake Kursk. The entire world took notice however. A weapons system - whether HIMARs or F-35s - comes with a forty year tail of support, from software updates to ammo. And the entire planet took note of how capricious Republicans are. Obviously, no nation can be put in a position where they rely on American weapons systems when one of the major parties in the US is so willing to turn off support and let soldiers die when defending their country. Europe, Canada, and Asia are all pivoting to domestic systems now. The European arms industry in particular is absolutely booming right now. I'm sure Lockheed Martin, Northrop Grumman, BAE, General Dynamics and so on are absolutely pissed. That is trillions in lost revenue for them.
It was noticed here at the time and it will destroy Starlink. Boeing, Lockheed etc rushed to assure everyone that there is no kill switch in their planes or weapons.
The world wants to decouple from American defense weapons (and tech) but realistically it won't happen. However, Starlink is cooked. And Musk's shenanigans with MITRE and CVE will chop up the current organized system of computer hardware and software to multiple quasi-interoperable systems. Too bad.
What are the European public traded defense companies that replaces, LMT, NOC, and RTX?
You understand, that is googleable right?
Anonymous
07/01/2025 09:08
Subject: Big Beautiful Bill
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
It was little noticed in the US at the time, but the US and Elon Musk's Starlink turned off all support for US weapons systems in Ukraine during Russia's offensive to retake Kursk. The entire world took notice however. A weapons system - whether HIMARs or F-35s - comes with a forty year tail of support, from software updates to ammo. And the entire planet took note of how capricious Republicans are. Obviously, no nation can be put in a position where they rely on American weapons systems when one of the major parties in the US is so willing to turn off support and let soldiers die when defending their country. Europe, Canada, and Asia are all pivoting to domestic systems now. The European arms industry in particular is absolutely booming right now. I'm sure Lockheed Martin, Northrop Grumman, BAE, General Dynamics and so on are absolutely pissed. That is trillions in lost revenue for them.
It was noticed here at the time and it will destroy Starlink. Boeing, Lockheed etc rushed to assure everyone that there is no kill switch in their planes or weapons.
The world wants to decouple from American defense weapons (and tech) but realistically it won't happen. However, Starlink is cooked. And Musk's shenanigans with MITRE and CVE will chop up the current organized system of computer hardware and software to multiple quasi-interoperable systems. Too bad.
What are the European public traded defense companies that replaces, LMT, NOC, and RTX?
Anonymous
07/01/2025 09:06
Subject: Big Beautiful Bill
Anonymous wrote:At the moment, the Senate clearly doesn't have the votes. As far as I can tell, Paul, Tillis, Murkowski and maybe Collins are holding out? Or perhaps McConnell? Hard to say who the 4th is.
Have Murkowski and Collins ever held out on any vote? They just pretend to to fool their dumb constituents.
Anonymous
07/01/2025 08:18
Subject: Big Beautiful Bill
Anonymous wrote:At the moment, the Senate clearly doesn't have the votes. As far as I can tell, Paul, Tillis, Murkowski and maybe Collins are holding out? Or perhaps McConnell? Hard to say who the 4th is.
The "public" Nos are those 4. But there are other senators who haven't committed.
Anonymous
07/01/2025 08:16
Subject: Big Beautiful Bill
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Collins has said that she is still a No. (Last night when she voted yes, she said then that she would not vote for the bill.) Randy and Tillis will not change their votes. If Collins votes No, the BBB will not pass.
It's fascinating how Senate Majority Leader Thune is doing absolutely nothing to push this bill. It's really a no-win situation for the Republicans, and at least some of them seem to know it.
Murkowski with the Kodiak deal collapsing could be a no too.
+1
Unless she's really dumb then she can share the susan collins award for giving a vote and getting nothing (but sneered at)
Anonymous
07/01/2025 08:12
Subject: Big Beautiful Bill
At the moment, the Senate clearly doesn't have the votes. As far as I can tell, Paul, Tillis, Murkowski and maybe Collins are holding out? Or perhaps McConnell? Hard to say who the 4th is.
Anonymous
07/01/2025 07:23
Subject: Big Beautiful Bill
Anonymous wrote:Senate is still working on it. Not passed yet. Democrats keep offering amendments and Thune doesn’t have the votes yet
Yep. After an all nighter, they don't have the votes.
Will they pass it today? I wouldn't be surprised. But also, I wouldn't be surprised if they don't.
Anonymous
07/01/2025 07:11
Subject: Big Beautiful Bill
Anonymous wrote:Senate is still working on it. Not passed yet. Democrats keep offering amendments and Thune doesn’t have the votes yet
Go Democrats! Delay, delay, delay.
Anonymous
07/01/2025 07:05
Subject: Big Beautiful Bill
Senate is still working on it. Not passed yet. Democrats keep offering amendments and Thune doesn’t have the votes yet
Anonymous
06/30/2025 19:47
Subject: Big Beautiful Bill
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I am sort of curious how it will work to "tax solar and wind" such that it becomes non-viable yet we have expanded energy demand, particularly from the "manufacture" of crypto and AI.
Nuclear.
No nuclear is out. They fired most of the government scientists.
GOP/MAGA idiots handing China green energy on a platter. I honestly think this bill will sink us more than the felon ever could.
From what I have heard the administration position is: US has last the green energy race. Therefore the US will only compete in oil, coal and rotary phone technology.
If the US has lost the race it is because the GOP, in deference to its benefactors in Saudi Arabia, Russia and Big Oil, paid them to do so. Jimmy Carter started the green revolution in response to the oil shocks of the 1970's as a strategic and moral imperative. W got it from a strategic standpoint, but not from an economic or consumer perspective. And trump tore everything down, not once, but now, twice.
Anonymous
06/30/2025 19:45
Subject: Big Beautiful Bill
Anonymous wrote:This bill is a disgrace. Some day political scientists will study it to see how legislation that is so bad for so many could be adopted in a supposed democracy.
We aren't a democracy anymore. The founders were counting on the congress and judiciary to be independent, not all be co-opted by the same elite policial forces.
Anonymous
06/30/2025 19:40
Subject: Big Beautiful Bill
Anonymous wrote:Anyone have a good site/news source to get regular updates? I’ve been trying to watch on politico but wondering if there’s something akin to scotusblog
I am constantly refreshing twitter, searching "Senate vote". Politico is following this closely but they are still only covering highlights. There's a lot of noise on Twitter but it is still the fastest way for news to travel.
Anonymous
06/30/2025 19:38
Subject: Big Beautiful Bill
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
It helps the Democrats for the midterms if the bill is passed.
Today NBC News admitted that it won't help Dems in the midterms because so many provisions within the bill are delayed until after 2026 to protect Republican seats.
I was hoping it would big a tremendous help for the Dems, but alas. For example, the Medicaid cuts aren't planned until Dec. 31, 2026.
Oh, we’ll be reminding everyone. No worries.