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My point was that the online pile on against Lively resembles the one against Heard very strongly, and that the way Baldoni's PR team (who also worked for Depp against Heard) and his lawyer have approached the situation really capitalizes on how so many people online are eager to pillory a woman, call her a liar, call her crazy.

Anonymous wrote:This thread is so weird. It's like MAGA, but for Baldoni. Agree with PP that it's got all the misogyny of the Heard/Depp thread. And yet people are so absolutely certain that their hatred of this woman is well merited. Forget it, Jake, its Chinatown.

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Anonymous wrote:This thread is so weird. It's like MAGA, but for Baldoni. Agree with PP that it's got all the misogyny of the Heard/Depp thread. And yet people are so absolutely certain that their hatred of this woman is well merited. Forget it, Jake, it's Chinatown.

+1

And I don't even like Blake Lively. But I don't hate her. I don't get where the vitriol is coming from when this is a classic she said/he said where both sides are almost certainly sculpting the narrative to make themselves look good and the truth is probably something messy where they both look bad.

Anonymous wrote:This thread is so weird. It's like MAGA, but for Baldoni. Agree with PP that it's got all the misogyny of the Heard/Depp thread. And yet people are so absolutely certain that their hatred of this woman is well merited. Forget it, Jake, it's Chinatown.

Anonymous wrote:This thread is so weird. It's like MAGA, but for Baldoni. Agree with PP that it's got all the misogyny of the Heard/Depp thread. And yet people are so absolutely certain that their hatred of this woman is well merited. Forget it, Jake, its Chinatown.

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Anonymous wrote:All parties involved are sanctimonious snakes, however we must determine who is less evil. That being said, I will never watch another movie including BL or RR.

This is true. But from everything I’ve read the Justin guy, while he probably is a typical Hollywood phony baloney, he was walking on egg shells around Blake, who was clearly trying to bait him like an unreformed sorority girl scammer. This was a set-up scheme from the very get go, imo.

I don't like Blake Lively but this is insane. Like really think about this. Blake Lively (who I don't think is swimming in film offers these days) signs on to do a movie right after having a baby with the plan to bait her director/costar into doing stuff that she can claim is harassment, so that after a hiatus forced on them by writers/actors strikes, she can make demands as a precursor to returning to set, including a no retaliation clause, and then she convinces both the entire cast and the author of the book on which the movie is based to "ice out" Baldoni during press so that he has no choice but to hire Johnny Depp's PR team to go after her and then boom, she has her retaliation lawsuit and can leak it to her friends at the times to ruin his career? And you think this was planned in advance so that Lively and her husband could get the film rights to the sequel?

If you actually believe this... this is just not how real life operates. That's the plot of an extremely hard to believe movie starring an unconvincing Blake Lively as some kind of strategic mastermind and Justin Baldoni as the world's dumbest patsy. Just no.

She's less of a villain than you think, he's less naive and trusting than you think.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All parties involved are sanctimonious snakes, however we must determine who is less evil. That being said, I will never watch another movie including BL or RR.

This is true. But from everything I’ve read the Justin guy, while he probably is a typical Hollywood phony baloney, he was walking on egg shells around Blake, who was clearly trying to bait him like an unreformed sorority girl scammer. This was a set-up scheme from the very get go, imo.

I don’t understand how this was permitted. She was a diva throwing her weight around expecting everyone to comply with her wishes. Why would they allow this behavior from anyone, let alone a B-list, and that’s being generous, mediocre actress? JB is a fool.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All parties involved are sanctimonious snakes, however we must determine who is less evil. That being said, I will never watch another movie including BL or RR.

This is true. But from everything I’ve read the Justin guy, while he probably is a typical Hollywood phony baloney, he was walking on egg shells around Blake, who was clearly trying to bait him like an unreformed sorority girl scammer. This was a set-up scheme from the very get go, imo.

I don’t understand how this was permitted. She was a diva throwing her weight around expecting everyone to comply with her wishes. Why would they allow this behavior from anyone, let alone a B-list, and that’s being generous, mediocre actress? JB is a fool.

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Anonymous wrote:Has anyone actually looked at any of the Baldoni "lifestyle" videos he has posted on youtube about his family etc? Someone here earlier posted his "proposal" video to his wife and ... ewww. I couldn't watch the whole thing. It had nothing to do with his fiance, and was completely self absorbed, putting him in like 5 different scenarios and making a proposal (he's in a boy band, in a flash mob, in a mission impossible set, etc). This makes me think he is really mainly an actor/director trying to get (more) famous and posting his movies online pretending they're his life. So he films all these and then films his wife's reaction watching them -- and that's how he proposed to her, by making himself the absolute center of attention? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVTr5MNa_8Y

Doesn't this give anyone else the Ick? He seems, at a minimum, exhausting.

Yes, all of the people involved are annoying and exhausting. They’re all literally obnoxious “theater kids.” But the scammers appear to be Blake and Ryan.

Calling BL a theatre kid’ is very kind. She is an entitled, bratty, talentless nepo baby.

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Anonymous wrote:All parties involved are sanctimonious snakes, however we must determine who is less evil. That being said, I will never watch another movie including BL or RR.

This is true. But from everything I’ve read the Justin guy, while he probably is a typical Hollywood phony baloney, he was walking on egg shells around Blake, who was clearly trying to bait him like an unreformed sorority girl scammer. This was a set-up scheme from the very get go, imo.

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Anonymous wrote:This set of circumstances have absolutely nothing to do with the DV in a marriage between Amber Heard and Depp. The power difference between Reynolds/Lively makes them the Depp, not the Heard, and best I know, there was no documentary evidence like screenshots of uncut and unedited text comms backing up either of those parties. So no, sorry, I don’t see any commonalities between these things, nor between Lively’s acts and those of any MeToo claimant in Hollywood or otherwise.

We have to wait and see but I think she ended her career with going to the NYT. Baldoni and his production company likely had the ultimate prize of establishing a working relationship with Sony for additional future projects, which is why he bent over backwards to accommodate the impossible. (That is it seems the “he’s a jerk too” “he is a grifter” stuff - it makes no sense). I find Lively’s actions outrageous and dishonest and the only way to see otherwise is to decide against reason that she is telling the truth as an act of will, because it isn’t backed up with any publicly available information.

I'm the PP you are referring to and I specifically said I think the underlying situations are different and I agree that Lively has much more power than Heard ever had.

My point was that the online pile on against Lively resembles the one against Heard very strongly, and that the way Baldoni's PR team (who also worked for Depp against Heard) and his lawyer have approached the situation really capitalizes on how so many people online are eager to pillory a woman, call her a liar, call her crazy.

I know people will say "But but but THIS time she really is a crazy liar!" Well that would be very convenient because what a nice gift for all the people whose favorite pastime is calling women crazy liars.

That dynamic gives me pause and is enough for me to step back, let the courts handle it, and reserve judgment. I don't get on here defending Lively specifically or claiming she's a great person, but I am not ready to try and convict her in the court of public opinion because there are way too many similarities in the vibe to what happened with Heard. Even if the underlying facts are different. It might be worth it to just cool off the rhetoric.

If Lively's case is crap I'm actually very comfortable that the courts will take care of it, and if Baldoni sincerely has a defamation case, I think he'll get money. Even with the power imbalance, because no matter how rich or famous a woman is, women do NOT get away with things. See, e.g., Martha Stewart. If Lively is at fault here, she'll get pinned for it. If she were a man... not so much.

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Anonymous wrote:Has anyone actually looked at any of the Baldoni "lifestyle" videos he has posted on youtube about his family etc? Someone here earlier posted his "proposal" video to his wife and ... ewww. I couldn't watch the whole thing. It had nothing to do with his fiance, and was completely self absorbed, putting him in like 5 different scenarios and making a proposal (he's in a boy band, in a flash mob, in a mission impossible set, etc). This makes me think he is really mainly an actor/director trying to get (more) famous and posting his movies online pretending they're his life. So he films all these and then films his wife's reaction watching them -- and that's how he proposed to her, by making himself the absolute center of attention? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVTr5MNa_8Y

Doesn't this give anyone else the Ick? He seems, at a minimum, exhausting.

Yes, all of the people involved are annoying and exhausting. They’re all literally obnoxious “theater kids.” But the scammers appear to be Blake and Ryan.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All parties involved are sanctimonious snakes, however we must determine who is less evil. That being said, I will never watch another movie including BL or RR.

This is true. But from everything I’ve read the Justin guy, while he probably is a typical Hollywood phony baloney, he was walking on egg shells around Blake, who was clearly trying to bait him like an unreformed sorority girl scammer. This was a set-up scheme from the very get go, imo.