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Post 09/24/2024 15:37     Subject: Lebanon / Israel

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Resistance to Israeli Occupation: Hezbollah was initially formed to resist the Israeli occupation of southern Lebanon, which began in 1982 during the Lebanese Civil War. The group's primary objective was the liberation of Lebanese territory from Israeli control, which it claims it achieved in 2000 when Israeli forces withdrew from most of southern Lebanon. Hezbollah continues to view opposition to Israel as one of its core missions, particularly in relation to disputed areas like the Shebaa Farms.

Support for Palestinian Liberation: Hezbollah is committed to the broader goal of ending Israeli control over Palestinian territories and supports the Palestinian cause. It advocates for the destruction of the State of Israel and the establishment of an Islamic state in all of historic Palestine.

Defense of Lebanon: Hezbollah portrays itself as a defender of Lebanon from foreign aggression, particularly from Israel. It justifies maintaining a paramilitary wing by arguing that the Lebanese state and army alone cannot protect the country from Israeli threats.

Establishment of an Islamic State: In its original 1985 manifesto, Hezbollah expressed the goal of creating an Islamic government in Lebanon based on the model of Iran's Islamic Republic. However, this goal has been downplayed over the years, and Hezbollah now claims to respect Lebanon's multi-confessional nature, emphasizing political pluralism instead of insisting on an Islamic state.

Opposition to Western Influence: Hezbollah positions itself as a force against U.S. and Western influence in the Middle East. The group opposes what it perceives as American and Western hegemony in the region and aligns itself with Iran’s anti-Western stance, particularly in its opposition to U.S. policies and military interventions.

Support for Iran's Ideology: Hezbollah has strong ties to Iran, both financially and ideologically. It adheres to the principles of Wilayat al-Faqih, or the Guardianship of the Islamic Jurist, a concept developed by Iran's Ayatollah Khomeini, which advocates for the rule of a qualified Islamic jurist in the governance of a state. Hezbollah views Iran's Supreme Leader as its spiritual leader and continues to support Iran's regional policies.

Political Role in Lebanon: Over the years, Hezbollah has become an integral part of Lebanon's political system. It participates in elections, holds seats in the Lebanese parliament, and serves as part of governing coalitions. Hezbollah's stated political goal is to protect Lebanon’s sovereignty, security, and interests while ensuring the defense of the Shiite community, which is a significant political and social base for the group.



Given the recent emergence of, yet another, “Islamic State” in Afghanistan, I believe the world (and particularly the women of the world) have had quite enough of these “Islamic states,” espoused by Hezbollah in the paragraph above.

Israel is doing the world a favor by dismantling the designated terrorist organizations of Hezbollah and Hamas.

Carry on.


The last thing we need is yet another Islamic State run by psychopaths.


That is true because if we had one of those alongside the Jewish state run by psychopaths we truly would destroy the world as we know it.

There is another answer: a ceasefire.


Yes because Hamas and Hezbollah have a history of holding to ceasefires.

Wait … crap.


All you need to do is look at how many people (ie humans) Israel has killed over the last 100 years compared to how many Israelis Muslim groups have killed to understand that the scales are definitely tilted. It's not Israel that is the victim.


So you don’t care that Hamas and Hezbollah broke ceasefires on Oct 7/8.


There was no ceasefire to break because Israel was killing Gazans and West Bankers all along.


Yep. This.


Except that isn’t true as far as Gaza is concerned. There was a ceasefire and Hamas broke it.

There was also a ceasefire with Hezbollah.


GTFOH. Just GTFO.

Do you have any idea what an absolute land, sea and air blockade imposed on a goddamned squalid concentration camp looks and feels like? Random detentions without charge and extrajudicial killings with no provocation? Flagrant violations on international law, multi-generational violations of U.N. resolutions, violations of the Geneva Convention, sovereign airspace violations, assassinations of civilian men of science, and on and on.

Those people have every goddamned right in the world to hate Israel and Israelis for who they are, for what they’ve done, for what they stand for, and for the daily, numbing abuses and humiliations that have been forced upon them by people like you. “NBD, just get over it” and yet people like you have the gall to cry out the moment the oppressed fight back, demanding everyone’s attention and sympathy.

Israel will never have peace or safety because it’s not about a Jewish homeland, it’s about a platform for evil, craven POS imports from Eastern Europe to impose their bellicose, racist ideology on a group of people who walked into a one-sided fight involuntarily funded by people like me, FFS.


DP.

Israel WAS "just about a Jewish homeland", then the Arabs and Palestinians unlawfully tried to wipe Israelis off the face of the earth in '47-'48.

So Israelis have just as much "right" to hate Palestinians and their Arab neighbors as vice-versa.

Thinking like yours does nothing but perpetuate hate and fuel the conflict.

So congratulations. You fuel the very cycle of hatred that you purport to decry.


LOL if it was "just about" Jewish homeland, then why did the early Israelis commit themselves to becoming Arab-free? They didn't succeed fully of course....but the early Zionists were more honest than you. They all admitted that the Jewish state means a Jewish majority and the Jewish government - which is impossible with a huge Arab block in its midst. Ergo, Arabs had to go. They couldn't very well up and slaughter them so a myth of dirty aggressive Arabs who hate the Joos had to be invented. It's sort of comical how Germans became the good guys and Arab the bad guys now that Arabs had something the Zionists wanted.


No to mention, PP creating an analogy between indigenous people defending themselves against violent immigrants literally massacring villages and killing them, over the course of several years, vs. 80+ years of the aforementioned.

Like kicking someone in the shins, and then that person says that's the reason I slaughtered your entire family, your entire village, 80% of your city, and ensured that you have no hope for the future. There. We're even. Actually, we still owe more payback. You're welcome.
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Post 09/24/2024 15:33     Subject: Lebanon / Israel

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Resistance to Israeli Occupation: Hezbollah was initially formed to resist the Israeli occupation of southern Lebanon, which began in 1982 during the Lebanese Civil War. The group's primary objective was the liberation of Lebanese territory from Israeli control, which it claims it achieved in 2000 when Israeli forces withdrew from most of southern Lebanon. Hezbollah continues to view opposition to Israel as one of its core missions, particularly in relation to disputed areas like the Shebaa Farms.

Support for Palestinian Liberation: Hezbollah is committed to the broader goal of ending Israeli control over Palestinian territories and supports the Palestinian cause. It advocates for the destruction of the State of Israel and the establishment of an Islamic state in all of historic Palestine.

Defense of Lebanon: Hezbollah portrays itself as a defender of Lebanon from foreign aggression, particularly from Israel. It justifies maintaining a paramilitary wing by arguing that the Lebanese state and army alone cannot protect the country from Israeli threats.

Establishment of an Islamic State: In its original 1985 manifesto, Hezbollah expressed the goal of creating an Islamic government in Lebanon based on the model of Iran's Islamic Republic. However, this goal has been downplayed over the years, and Hezbollah now claims to respect Lebanon's multi-confessional nature, emphasizing political pluralism instead of insisting on an Islamic state.

Opposition to Western Influence: Hezbollah positions itself as a force against U.S. and Western influence in the Middle East. The group opposes what it perceives as American and Western hegemony in the region and aligns itself with Iran’s anti-Western stance, particularly in its opposition to U.S. policies and military interventions.

Support for Iran's Ideology: Hezbollah has strong ties to Iran, both financially and ideologically. It adheres to the principles of Wilayat al-Faqih, or the Guardianship of the Islamic Jurist, a concept developed by Iran's Ayatollah Khomeini, which advocates for the rule of a qualified Islamic jurist in the governance of a state. Hezbollah views Iran's Supreme Leader as its spiritual leader and continues to support Iran's regional policies.

Political Role in Lebanon: Over the years, Hezbollah has become an integral part of Lebanon's political system. It participates in elections, holds seats in the Lebanese parliament, and serves as part of governing coalitions. Hezbollah's stated political goal is to protect Lebanon’s sovereignty, security, and interests while ensuring the defense of the Shiite community, which is a significant political and social base for the group.



Given the recent emergence of, yet another, “Islamic State” in Afghanistan, I believe the world (and particularly the women of the world) have had quite enough of these “Islamic states,” espoused by Hezbollah in the paragraph above.

Israel is doing the world a favor by dismantling the designated terrorist organizations of Hezbollah and Hamas.

Carry on.


The last thing we need is yet another Islamic State run by psychopaths.


That is true because if we had one of those alongside the Jewish state run by psychopaths we truly would destroy the world as we know it.

There is another answer: a ceasefire.


Yes because Hamas and Hezbollah have a history of holding to ceasefires.

Wait … crap.


All you need to do is look at how many people (ie humans) Israel has killed over the last 100 years compared to how many Israelis Muslim groups have killed to understand that the scales are definitely tilted. It's not Israel that is the victim.


So you don’t care that Hamas and Hezbollah broke ceasefires on Oct 7/8.


There was no ceasefire to break because Israel was killing Gazans and West Bankers all along.


Yep. This.


Except that isn’t true as far as Gaza is concerned. There was a ceasefire and Hamas broke it.

There was also a ceasefire with Hezbollah.


GTFOH. Just GTFO.

Do you have any idea what an absolute land, sea and air blockade imposed on a goddamned squalid concentration camp looks and feels like? Random detentions without charge and extrajudicial killings with no provocation? Flagrant violations on international law, multi-generational violations of U.N. resolutions, violations of the Geneva Convention, sovereign airspace violations, assassinations of civilian men of science, and on and on.

Those people have every goddamned right in the world to hate Israel and Israelis for who they are, for what they’ve done, for what they stand for, and for the daily, numbing abuses and humiliations that have been forced upon them by people like you. “NBD, just get over it” and yet people like you have the gall to cry out the moment the oppressed fight back, demanding everyone’s attention and sympathy.

Israel will never have peace or safety because it’s not about a Jewish homeland, it’s about a platform for evil, craven POS imports from Eastern Europe to impose their bellicose, racist ideology on a group of people who walked into a one-sided fight involuntarily funded by people like me, FFS.


Your post was a rambling mess. Jeez.


No, it really isn't. It's crystal clear that you can't actually defend what israel has always been and so you play this pathetic game of acting like the person to whom you're responding is belligerent. Go squawk about everything and everyone being antisemitic. You're probably better at that than this cowardly deflection to defend a country built on lies regarding its very founding. Here's a clue: Jewish people from Europe brought terrorism with them. Hamas never could have existed if Zionist Terrorism stayed in Europe. Too gutless to take on the European Christians who *actually* massacred them, so they go after Palestinians who welcomed them.


DP.

I don't think any acting is required. You're pretty clearly belligerent (and that's being charitable).



DP Says the goon defending Israel. Holy shit, does the irony truly escape you?!
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Post 09/24/2024 15:32     Subject: Lebanon / Israel

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Resistance to Israeli Occupation: Hezbollah was initially formed to resist the Israeli occupation of southern Lebanon, which began in 1982 during the Lebanese Civil War. The group's primary objective was the liberation of Lebanese territory from Israeli control, which it claims it achieved in 2000 when Israeli forces withdrew from most of southern Lebanon. Hezbollah continues to view opposition to Israel as one of its core missions, particularly in relation to disputed areas like the Shebaa Farms.

Support for Palestinian Liberation: Hezbollah is committed to the broader goal of ending Israeli control over Palestinian territories and supports the Palestinian cause. It advocates for the destruction of the State of Israel and the establishment of an Islamic state in all of historic Palestine.

Defense of Lebanon: Hezbollah portrays itself as a defender of Lebanon from foreign aggression, particularly from Israel. It justifies maintaining a paramilitary wing by arguing that the Lebanese state and army alone cannot protect the country from Israeli threats.

Establishment of an Islamic State: In its original 1985 manifesto, Hezbollah expressed the goal of creating an Islamic government in Lebanon based on the model of Iran's Islamic Republic. However, this goal has been downplayed over the years, and Hezbollah now claims to respect Lebanon's multi-confessional nature, emphasizing political pluralism instead of insisting on an Islamic state.

Opposition to Western Influence: Hezbollah positions itself as a force against U.S. and Western influence in the Middle East. The group opposes what it perceives as American and Western hegemony in the region and aligns itself with Iran’s anti-Western stance, particularly in its opposition to U.S. policies and military interventions.

Support for Iran's Ideology: Hezbollah has strong ties to Iran, both financially and ideologically. It adheres to the principles of Wilayat al-Faqih, or the Guardianship of the Islamic Jurist, a concept developed by Iran's Ayatollah Khomeini, which advocates for the rule of a qualified Islamic jurist in the governance of a state. Hezbollah views Iran's Supreme Leader as its spiritual leader and continues to support Iran's regional policies.

Political Role in Lebanon: Over the years, Hezbollah has become an integral part of Lebanon's political system. It participates in elections, holds seats in the Lebanese parliament, and serves as part of governing coalitions. Hezbollah's stated political goal is to protect Lebanon’s sovereignty, security, and interests while ensuring the defense of the Shiite community, which is a significant political and social base for the group.



Given the recent emergence of, yet another, “Islamic State” in Afghanistan, I believe the world (and particularly the women of the world) have had quite enough of these “Islamic states,” espoused by Hezbollah in the paragraph above.

Israel is doing the world a favor by dismantling the designated terrorist organizations of Hezbollah and Hamas.

Carry on.


The last thing we need is yet another Islamic State run by psychopaths.


That is true because if we had one of those alongside the Jewish state run by psychopaths we truly would destroy the world as we know it.

There is another answer: a ceasefire.


Yes because Hamas and Hezbollah have a history of holding to ceasefires.

Wait … crap.


All you need to do is look at how many people (ie humans) Israel has killed over the last 100 years compared to how many Israelis Muslim groups have killed to understand that the scales are definitely tilted. It's not Israel that is the victim.


So you don’t care that Hamas and Hezbollah broke ceasefires on Oct 7/8.


There was no ceasefire to break because Israel was killing Gazans and West Bankers all along.


Yep. This.


Except that isn’t true as far as Gaza is concerned. There was a ceasefire and Hamas broke it.

There was also a ceasefire with Hezbollah.


GTFOH. Just GTFO.

Do you have any idea what an absolute land, sea and air blockade imposed on a goddamned squalid concentration camp looks and feels like? Random detentions without charge and extrajudicial killings with no provocation? Flagrant violations on international law, multi-generational violations of U.N. resolutions, violations of the Geneva Convention, sovereign airspace violations, assassinations of civilian men of science, and on and on.

Those people have every goddamned right in the world to hate Israel and Israelis for who they are, for what they’ve done, for what they stand for, and for the daily, numbing abuses and humiliations that have been forced upon them by people like you. “NBD, just get over it” and yet people like you have the gall to cry out the moment the oppressed fight back, demanding everyone’s attention and sympathy.

Israel will never have peace or safety because it’s not about a Jewish homeland, it’s about a platform for evil, craven POS imports from Eastern Europe to impose their bellicose, racist ideology on a group of people who walked into a one-sided fight involuntarily funded by people like me, FFS.


Your post was a rambling mess. Jeez.


No, it really isn't. It's crystal clear that you can't actually defend what israel has always been and so you play this pathetic game of acting like the person to whom you're responding is belligerent. Go squawk about everything and everyone being antisemitic. You're probably better at that than this cowardly deflection to defend a country built on lies regarding its very founding. Here's a clue: Jewish people from Europe brought terrorism with them. Hamas never could have existed if Zionist Terrorism stayed in Europe. Too gutless to take on the European Christians who *actually* massacred them, so they go after Palestinians who welcomed them.


Yeah yeah we get it, you hate white people…


DP The racist playing the race card ... astonishing!
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Post 09/24/2024 15:31     Subject: Lebanon / Israel

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Resistance to Israeli Occupation: Hezbollah was initially formed to resist the Israeli occupation of southern Lebanon, which began in 1982 during the Lebanese Civil War. The group's primary objective was the liberation of Lebanese territory from Israeli control, which it claims it achieved in 2000 when Israeli forces withdrew from most of southern Lebanon. Hezbollah continues to view opposition to Israel as one of its core missions, particularly in relation to disputed areas like the Shebaa Farms.

Support for Palestinian Liberation: Hezbollah is committed to the broader goal of ending Israeli control over Palestinian territories and supports the Palestinian cause. It advocates for the destruction of the State of Israel and the establishment of an Islamic state in all of historic Palestine.

Defense of Lebanon: Hezbollah portrays itself as a defender of Lebanon from foreign aggression, particularly from Israel. It justifies maintaining a paramilitary wing by arguing that the Lebanese state and army alone cannot protect the country from Israeli threats.

Establishment of an Islamic State: In its original 1985 manifesto, Hezbollah expressed the goal of creating an Islamic government in Lebanon based on the model of Iran's Islamic Republic. However, this goal has been downplayed over the years, and Hezbollah now claims to respect Lebanon's multi-confessional nature, emphasizing political pluralism instead of insisting on an Islamic state.

Opposition to Western Influence: Hezbollah positions itself as a force against U.S. and Western influence in the Middle East. The group opposes what it perceives as American and Western hegemony in the region and aligns itself with Iran’s anti-Western stance, particularly in its opposition to U.S. policies and military interventions.

Support for Iran's Ideology: Hezbollah has strong ties to Iran, both financially and ideologically. It adheres to the principles of Wilayat al-Faqih, or the Guardianship of the Islamic Jurist, a concept developed by Iran's Ayatollah Khomeini, which advocates for the rule of a qualified Islamic jurist in the governance of a state. Hezbollah views Iran's Supreme Leader as its spiritual leader and continues to support Iran's regional policies.

Political Role in Lebanon: Over the years, Hezbollah has become an integral part of Lebanon's political system. It participates in elections, holds seats in the Lebanese parliament, and serves as part of governing coalitions. Hezbollah's stated political goal is to protect Lebanon’s sovereignty, security, and interests while ensuring the defense of the Shiite community, which is a significant political and social base for the group.



Given the recent emergence of, yet another, “Islamic State” in Afghanistan, I believe the world (and particularly the women of the world) have had quite enough of these “Islamic states,” espoused by Hezbollah in the paragraph above.

Israel is doing the world a favor by dismantling the designated terrorist organizations of Hezbollah and Hamas.

Carry on.


The last thing we need is yet another Islamic State run by psychopaths.


That is true because if we had one of those alongside the Jewish state run by psychopaths we truly would destroy the world as we know it.

There is another answer: a ceasefire.


Yes because Hamas and Hezbollah have a history of holding to ceasefires.

Wait … crap.


All you need to do is look at how many people (ie humans) Israel has killed over the last 100 years compared to how many Israelis Muslim groups have killed to understand that the scales are definitely tilted. It's not Israel that is the victim.


So you don’t care that Hamas and Hezbollah broke ceasefires on Oct 7/8.


There was no ceasefire to break because Israel was killing Gazans and West Bankers all along.


Yep. This.


Except that isn’t true as far as Gaza is concerned. There was a ceasefire and Hamas broke it.

There was also a ceasefire with Hezbollah.


GTFOH. Just GTFO.

Do you have any idea what an absolute land, sea and air blockade imposed on a goddamned squalid concentration camp looks and feels like? Random detentions without charge and extrajudicial killings with no provocation? Flagrant violations on international law, multi-generational violations of U.N. resolutions, violations of the Geneva Convention, sovereign airspace violations, assassinations of civilian men of science, and on and on.

Those people have every goddamned right in the world to hate Israel and Israelis for who they are, for what they’ve done, for what they stand for, and for the daily, numbing abuses and humiliations that have been forced upon them by people like you. “NBD, just get over it” and yet people like you have the gall to cry out the moment the oppressed fight back, demanding everyone’s attention and sympathy.

Israel will never have peace or safety because it’s not about a Jewish homeland, it’s about a platform for evil, craven POS imports from Eastern Europe to impose their bellicose, racist ideology on a group of people who walked into a one-sided fight involuntarily funded by people like me, FFS.


DP.

Israel WAS "just about a Jewish homeland", then the Arabs and Palestinians unlawfully tried to wipe Israelis off the face of the earth in '47-'48.

So Israelis have just as much "right" to hate Palestinians and their Arab neighbors as vice-versa.

Thinking like yours does nothing but perpetuate hate and fuel the conflict.

So congratulations. You fuel the very cycle of hatred that you purport to decry.


LOL if it was "just about" Jewish homeland, then why did the early Israelis commit themselves to becoming Arab-free? They didn't succeed fully of course....but the early Zionists were more honest than you. They all admitted that the Jewish state means a Jewish majority and the Jewish government - which is impossible with a huge Arab block in its midst. Ergo, Arabs had to go. They couldn't very well up and slaughter them so a myth of dirty aggressive Arabs who hate the Joos had to be invented. It's sort of comical how Germans became the good guys and Arab the bad guys now that Arabs had something the Zionists wanted.


Don't you just love the "wipe out Jews" crap these ridiculous people keep pushing? This is the lie they have to tell themselves to make every Jewish person look like some sweet, innocent person who never did anything. You want "wipe out" look in the mirror at that EUROPEAN heritage. Those were the people trying to "wipe out Jews."

Let me give another example of actual "wiping out."

You know the reason Jews from Arab countries are called "Mizrahi"? Because Euro Zionist Jews made them ERASE their Arab identity. So some German Jew was allowed to retain their European identity, but those RACISTS made ARAB Jews erase theirs.

You know why Arab Jews were made to leave Arab countries after living in them for thousands of years? Because Zionist Jews were the ones who used intimidation when they started showing up. They made Arab Muslims and Christians turn against their Jewish *brethren* by what was done in Palestine. Arab Jews were in the govt and every industry in Arab countries and then it change the moment (per usual) Europeans showed up. Monstrous scum like the Mileikowsky family.

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Post 09/24/2024 15:31     Subject: Lebanon / Israel

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Hezbollah is part of what is known as the Axis of Resistance. The other members are:

- Iran
- Hamas
- Houthis in Yemen
- Syria
- Popular Mobilization Forces (paramilitary group in Iraq)

They have murkier relations with Russia and Afghanistan.

Their stated goal is to destroy Israel.



And they don’t the US much, either.


Israel's current actions are changing hearts and minds but in the wrong direction: more and more people in the middle east hate Israel and the US.

There is another path: ceasefire and 2-state solution.


Hamas will allow neither. So you can criticize Bibi and rightly so, but don’t delude yourself into thinking Hamas wants a ceasefire or a 2 state solution.


Why do you even post? It is obvious by your answer you don’t even know the what is happening.

Let set the record straight.
1) Hamas has agreed to the ceasefire back in March with return of the hostages.
2) Israel and the US are the only two in the room “negotiating”- ie Israel says no to everything and the US naively kiss Netanyahu feet. Hamas is not in the room because you all killed the negotiators. Any time Israel wants to agree to a ceasefire and hostage release it is available. Israel is giving the US the finger.
3) Israel will never allow a two state solution. This is the stated position of the Israeli government and over 80% of the Israeli Jewish population. Israel is moving to annex the West Bank and does not recognize the West Bank on maps.
4) Israel hates the Palestinians and wishes to kill them all.
5) Israel sees how weak, feeble and naive Biden is. They will continue to exploit his weakness and expand the war. Their hope is to set the Middle East on fire and force the US to attack and invade Iran.
6) Israel will not seek the release of the Hostages. They are much more valuable as martyrs and propaganda


Huh? Hamas has never agreed to a ceasefire. You’re delusional.


The endless propaganda you poor out your a$$ is truly amazing.

Al-Araby al-Jadeed obtained the text of the Gaza ceasefire agreement announced on Monday, May 6, 2024. Hamas has informed Qatar and Egypt of its acceptance of the agreement on Monday evening. Following is the verbatim text of the agreement that has a three-stage implementation plan, each lasting for 42 days

https://arabcenterdc.org/resource/details-of-the-ceasefire-deal-that-hamas-has-accepted/

You Israeli want nothing to do with ceasefire. Israel is Lucy with the football.


If Israel didn’t want a ceasefire then why did they propose one in August?

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c5y3xzex72no.amp


I'm not surprised you don't how Israel operates when people like Jake Tapper and Dana Bash and the NYT are what laughably passes for journalism on THIS topic.

Israel has NEVER honored a ceasefire as it's supposed to be honored. What they do is pretend to want a ceasefire, pretend to agree to one and then instigate. How dumb are you that you actually think Israel is capable of altruism in any form?


First: when has Hamas ever honored a ceasefire or shown any altruism?


Second: why are you bringing up CNN and the NYT? I cited BBC.
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Post 09/24/2024 15:31     Subject: Lebanon / Israel

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Resistance to Israeli Occupation: Hezbollah was initially formed to resist the Israeli occupation of southern Lebanon, which began in 1982 during the Lebanese Civil War. The group's primary objective was the liberation of Lebanese territory from Israeli control, which it claims it achieved in 2000 when Israeli forces withdrew from most of southern Lebanon. Hezbollah continues to view opposition to Israel as one of its core missions, particularly in relation to disputed areas like the Shebaa Farms.

Support for Palestinian Liberation: Hezbollah is committed to the broader goal of ending Israeli control over Palestinian territories and supports the Palestinian cause. It advocates for the destruction of the State of Israel and the establishment of an Islamic state in all of historic Palestine.

Defense of Lebanon: Hezbollah portrays itself as a defender of Lebanon from foreign aggression, particularly from Israel. It justifies maintaining a paramilitary wing by arguing that the Lebanese state and army alone cannot protect the country from Israeli threats.

Establishment of an Islamic State: In its original 1985 manifesto, Hezbollah expressed the goal of creating an Islamic government in Lebanon based on the model of Iran's Islamic Republic. However, this goal has been downplayed over the years, and Hezbollah now claims to respect Lebanon's multi-confessional nature, emphasizing political pluralism instead of insisting on an Islamic state.

Opposition to Western Influence: Hezbollah positions itself as a force against U.S. and Western influence in the Middle East. The group opposes what it perceives as American and Western hegemony in the region and aligns itself with Iran’s anti-Western stance, particularly in its opposition to U.S. policies and military interventions.

Support for Iran's Ideology: Hezbollah has strong ties to Iran, both financially and ideologically. It adheres to the principles of Wilayat al-Faqih, or the Guardianship of the Islamic Jurist, a concept developed by Iran's Ayatollah Khomeini, which advocates for the rule of a qualified Islamic jurist in the governance of a state. Hezbollah views Iran's Supreme Leader as its spiritual leader and continues to support Iran's regional policies.

Political Role in Lebanon: Over the years, Hezbollah has become an integral part of Lebanon's political system. It participates in elections, holds seats in the Lebanese parliament, and serves as part of governing coalitions. Hezbollah's stated political goal is to protect Lebanon’s sovereignty, security, and interests while ensuring the defense of the Shiite community, which is a significant political and social base for the group.



Given the recent emergence of, yet another, “Islamic State” in Afghanistan, I believe the world (and particularly the women of the world) have had quite enough of these “Islamic states,” espoused by Hezbollah in the paragraph above.

Israel is doing the world a favor by dismantling the designated terrorist organizations of Hezbollah and Hamas.

Carry on.


The last thing we need is yet another Islamic State run by psychopaths.


That is true because if we had one of those alongside the Jewish state run by psychopaths we truly would destroy the world as we know it.

There is another answer: a ceasefire.


Yes because Hamas and Hezbollah have a history of holding to ceasefires.

Wait … crap.


All you need to do is look at how many people (ie humans) Israel has killed over the last 100 years compared to how many Israelis Muslim groups have killed to understand that the scales are definitely tilted. It's not Israel that is the victim.


So you don’t care that Hamas and Hezbollah broke ceasefires on Oct 7/8.


There was no ceasefire to break because Israel was killing Gazans and West Bankers all along.


Yep. This.


Except that isn’t true as far as Gaza is concerned. There was a ceasefire and Hamas broke it.

There was also a ceasefire with Hezbollah.


GTFOH. Just GTFO.

Do you have any idea what an absolute land, sea and air blockade imposed on a goddamned squalid concentration camp looks and feels like? Random detentions without charge and extrajudicial killings with no provocation? Flagrant violations on international law, multi-generational violations of U.N. resolutions, violations of the Geneva Convention, sovereign airspace violations, assassinations of civilian men of science, and on and on.

Those people have every goddamned right in the world to hate Israel and Israelis for who they are, for what they’ve done, for what they stand for, and for the daily, numbing abuses and humiliations that have been forced upon them by people like you. “NBD, just get over it” and yet people like you have the gall to cry out the moment the oppressed fight back, demanding everyone’s attention and sympathy.

Israel will never have peace or safety because it’s not about a Jewish homeland, it’s about a platform for evil, craven POS imports from Eastern Europe to impose their bellicose, racist ideology on a group of people who walked into a one-sided fight involuntarily funded by people like me, FFS.


Your post was a rambling mess. Jeez.


You couldn't write as clearly and directly if your life depended on it ...
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Post 09/24/2024 15:24     Subject: Lebanon / Israel

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Resistance to Israeli Occupation: Hezbollah was initially formed to resist the Israeli occupation of southern Lebanon, which began in 1982 during the Lebanese Civil War. The group's primary objective was the liberation of Lebanese territory from Israeli control, which it claims it achieved in 2000 when Israeli forces withdrew from most of southern Lebanon. Hezbollah continues to view opposition to Israel as one of its core missions, particularly in relation to disputed areas like the Shebaa Farms.

Support for Palestinian Liberation: Hezbollah is committed to the broader goal of ending Israeli control over Palestinian territories and supports the Palestinian cause. It advocates for the destruction of the State of Israel and the establishment of an Islamic state in all of historic Palestine.

Defense of Lebanon: Hezbollah portrays itself as a defender of Lebanon from foreign aggression, particularly from Israel. It justifies maintaining a paramilitary wing by arguing that the Lebanese state and army alone cannot protect the country from Israeli threats.

Establishment of an Islamic State: In its original 1985 manifesto, Hezbollah expressed the goal of creating an Islamic government in Lebanon based on the model of Iran's Islamic Republic. However, this goal has been downplayed over the years, and Hezbollah now claims to respect Lebanon's multi-confessional nature, emphasizing political pluralism instead of insisting on an Islamic state.

Opposition to Western Influence: Hezbollah positions itself as a force against U.S. and Western influence in the Middle East. The group opposes what it perceives as American and Western hegemony in the region and aligns itself with Iran’s anti-Western stance, particularly in its opposition to U.S. policies and military interventions.

Support for Iran's Ideology: Hezbollah has strong ties to Iran, both financially and ideologically. It adheres to the principles of Wilayat al-Faqih, or the Guardianship of the Islamic Jurist, a concept developed by Iran's Ayatollah Khomeini, which advocates for the rule of a qualified Islamic jurist in the governance of a state. Hezbollah views Iran's Supreme Leader as its spiritual leader and continues to support Iran's regional policies.

Political Role in Lebanon: Over the years, Hezbollah has become an integral part of Lebanon's political system. It participates in elections, holds seats in the Lebanese parliament, and serves as part of governing coalitions. Hezbollah's stated political goal is to protect Lebanon’s sovereignty, security, and interests while ensuring the defense of the Shiite community, which is a significant political and social base for the group.



Given the recent emergence of, yet another, “Islamic State” in Afghanistan, I believe the world (and particularly the women of the world) have had quite enough of these “Islamic states,” espoused by Hezbollah in the paragraph above.

Israel is doing the world a favor by dismantling the designated terrorist organizations of Hezbollah and Hamas.

Carry on.


The last thing we need is yet another Islamic State run by psychopaths.


That is true because if we had one of those alongside the Jewish state run by psychopaths we truly would destroy the world as we know it.

There is another answer: a ceasefire.


Yes because Hamas and Hezbollah have a history of holding to ceasefires.

Wait … crap.


All you need to do is look at how many people (ie humans) Israel has killed over the last 100 years compared to how many Israelis Muslim groups have killed to understand that the scales are definitely tilted. It's not Israel that is the victim.


So you don’t care that Hamas and Hezbollah broke ceasefires on Oct 7/8.


There was no ceasefire to break because Israel was killing Gazans and West Bankers all along.


Yep. This.


Except that isn’t true as far as Gaza is concerned. There was a ceasefire and Hamas broke it.

There was also a ceasefire with Hezbollah.


GTFOH. Just GTFO.

Do you have any idea what an absolute land, sea and air blockade imposed on a goddamned squalid concentration camp looks and feels like? Random detentions without charge and extrajudicial killings with no provocation? Flagrant violations on international law, multi-generational violations of U.N. resolutions, violations of the Geneva Convention, sovereign airspace violations, assassinations of civilian men of science, and on and on.

Those people have every goddamned right in the world to hate Israel and Israelis for who they are, for what they’ve done, for what they stand for, and for the daily, numbing abuses and humiliations that have been forced upon them by people like you. “NBD, just get over it” and yet people like you have the gall to cry out the moment the oppressed fight back, demanding everyone’s attention and sympathy.

Israel will never have peace or safety because it’s not about a Jewish homeland, it’s about a platform for evil, craven POS imports from Eastern Europe to impose their bellicose, racist ideology on a group of people who walked into a one-sided fight involuntarily funded by people like me, FFS.


DP.

Israel WAS "just about a Jewish homeland", then the Arabs and Palestinians unlawfully tried to wipe Israelis off the face of the earth in '47-'48.

So Israelis have just as much "right" to hate Palestinians and their Arab neighbors as vice-versa.

Thinking like yours does nothing but perpetuate hate and fuel the conflict.

So congratulations. You fuel the very cycle of hatred that you purport to decry.


LOL if it was "just about" Jewish homeland, then why did the early Israelis commit themselves to becoming Arab-free? They didn't succeed fully of course....but the early Zionists were more honest than you. They all admitted that the Jewish state means a Jewish majority and the Jewish government - which is impossible with a huge Arab block in its midst. Ergo, Arabs had to go. They couldn't very well up and slaughter them so a myth of dirty aggressive Arabs who hate the Joos had to be invented. It's sort of comical how Germans became the good guys and Arab the bad guys now that Arabs had something the Zionists wanted.


True of *some* early Zionists, but attributing their views to all Israelis is the equivalent of saying "Hamas are Palestinians, therefore all Palestinians are Hamas".

I don't imagine that you subscribe to that view, do you?

Also worth correcting your history to note that the Israeli leadership in 1947-48 ACCEPTED the partition and 2 state solution. So regardless of the views of some extremists, the official Israeli position was to accept a 2 state solution.

The official Palestinian/Arab response was to reject the 2 state solution and start a war of annihilation.

TLDR? Your history is garbage.
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Post 09/24/2024 15:18     Subject: Lebanon / Israel

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Resistance to Israeli Occupation: Hezbollah was initially formed to resist the Israeli occupation of southern Lebanon, which began in 1982 during the Lebanese Civil War. The group's primary objective was the liberation of Lebanese territory from Israeli control, which it claims it achieved in 2000 when Israeli forces withdrew from most of southern Lebanon. Hezbollah continues to view opposition to Israel as one of its core missions, particularly in relation to disputed areas like the Shebaa Farms.

Support for Palestinian Liberation: Hezbollah is committed to the broader goal of ending Israeli control over Palestinian territories and supports the Palestinian cause. It advocates for the destruction of the State of Israel and the establishment of an Islamic state in all of historic Palestine.

Defense of Lebanon: Hezbollah portrays itself as a defender of Lebanon from foreign aggression, particularly from Israel. It justifies maintaining a paramilitary wing by arguing that the Lebanese state and army alone cannot protect the country from Israeli threats.

Establishment of an Islamic State: In its original 1985 manifesto, Hezbollah expressed the goal of creating an Islamic government in Lebanon based on the model of Iran's Islamic Republic. However, this goal has been downplayed over the years, and Hezbollah now claims to respect Lebanon's multi-confessional nature, emphasizing political pluralism instead of insisting on an Islamic state.

Opposition to Western Influence: Hezbollah positions itself as a force against U.S. and Western influence in the Middle East. The group opposes what it perceives as American and Western hegemony in the region and aligns itself with Iran’s anti-Western stance, particularly in its opposition to U.S. policies and military interventions.

Support for Iran's Ideology: Hezbollah has strong ties to Iran, both financially and ideologically. It adheres to the principles of Wilayat al-Faqih, or the Guardianship of the Islamic Jurist, a concept developed by Iran's Ayatollah Khomeini, which advocates for the rule of a qualified Islamic jurist in the governance of a state. Hezbollah views Iran's Supreme Leader as its spiritual leader and continues to support Iran's regional policies.

Political Role in Lebanon: Over the years, Hezbollah has become an integral part of Lebanon's political system. It participates in elections, holds seats in the Lebanese parliament, and serves as part of governing coalitions. Hezbollah's stated political goal is to protect Lebanon’s sovereignty, security, and interests while ensuring the defense of the Shiite community, which is a significant political and social base for the group.



Given the recent emergence of, yet another, “Islamic State” in Afghanistan, I believe the world (and particularly the women of the world) have had quite enough of these “Islamic states,” espoused by Hezbollah in the paragraph above.

Israel is doing the world a favor by dismantling the designated terrorist organizations of Hezbollah and Hamas.

Carry on.


The last thing we need is yet another Islamic State run by psychopaths.


That is true because if we had one of those alongside the Jewish state run by psychopaths we truly would destroy the world as we know it.

There is another answer: a ceasefire.


Yes because Hamas and Hezbollah have a history of holding to ceasefires.

Wait … crap.


All you need to do is look at how many people (ie humans) Israel has killed over the last 100 years compared to how many Israelis Muslim groups have killed to understand that the scales are definitely tilted. It's not Israel that is the victim.


So you don’t care that Hamas and Hezbollah broke ceasefires on Oct 7/8.


There was no ceasefire to break because Israel was killing Gazans and West Bankers all along.


Yep. This.


Except that isn’t true as far as Gaza is concerned. There was a ceasefire and Hamas broke it.

There was also a ceasefire with Hezbollah.


GTFOH. Just GTFO.

Do you have any idea what an absolute land, sea and air blockade imposed on a goddamned squalid concentration camp looks and feels like? Random detentions without charge and extrajudicial killings with no provocation? Flagrant violations on international law, multi-generational violations of U.N. resolutions, violations of the Geneva Convention, sovereign airspace violations, assassinations of civilian men of science, and on and on.

Those people have every goddamned right in the world to hate Israel and Israelis for who they are, for what they’ve done, for what they stand for, and for the daily, numbing abuses and humiliations that have been forced upon them by people like you. “NBD, just get over it” and yet people like you have the gall to cry out the moment the oppressed fight back, demanding everyone’s attention and sympathy.

Israel will never have peace or safety because it’s not about a Jewish homeland, it’s about a platform for evil, craven POS imports from Eastern Europe to impose their bellicose, racist ideology on a group of people who walked into a one-sided fight involuntarily funded by people like me, FFS.


DP.

Israel WAS "just about a Jewish homeland", then the Arabs and Palestinians unlawfully tried to wipe Israelis off the face of the earth in '47-'48.

So Israelis have just as much "right" to hate Palestinians and their Arab neighbors as vice-versa.

Thinking like yours does nothing but perpetuate hate and fuel the conflict.

So congratulations. You fuel the very cycle of hatred that you purport to decry.


LOL if it was "just about" Jewish homeland, then why did the early Israelis commit themselves to becoming Arab-free? They didn't succeed fully of course....but the early Zionists were more honest than you. They all admitted that the Jewish state means a Jewish majority and the Jewish government - which is impossible with a huge Arab block in its midst. Ergo, Arabs had to go. They couldn't very well up and slaughter them so a myth of dirty aggressive Arabs who hate the Joos had to be invented. It's sort of comical how Germans became the good guys and Arab the bad guys now that Arabs had something the Zionists wanted.
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Post 09/24/2024 15:18     Subject: Lebanon / Israel

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Post 09/24/2024 15:18     Subject: Lebanon / Israel

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Hezbollah is part of what is known as the Axis of Resistance. The other members are:

- Iran
- Hamas
- Houthis in Yemen
- Syria
- Popular Mobilization Forces (paramilitary group in Iraq)

They have murkier relations with Russia and Afghanistan.

Their stated goal is to destroy Israel.



And they don’t the US much, either.


Israel's current actions are changing hearts and minds but in the wrong direction: more and more people in the middle east hate Israel and the US.

There is another path: ceasefire and 2-state solution.


Hamas will allow neither. So you can criticize Bibi and rightly so, but don’t delude yourself into thinking Hamas wants a ceasefire or a 2 state solution.


Why do you even post? It is obvious by your answer you don’t even know the what is happening.

Let set the record straight.
1) Hamas has agreed to the ceasefire back in March with return of the hostages.
2) Israel and the US are the only two in the room “negotiating”- ie Israel says no to everything and the US naively kiss Netanyahu feet. Hamas is not in the room because you all killed the negotiators. Any time Israel wants to agree to a ceasefire and hostage release it is available. Israel is giving the US the finger.
3) Israel will never allow a two state solution. This is the stated position of the Israeli government and over 80% of the Israeli Jewish population. Israel is moving to annex the West Bank and does not recognize the West Bank on maps.
4) Israel hates the Palestinians and wishes to kill them all.
5) Israel sees how weak, feeble and naive Biden is. They will continue to exploit his weakness and expand the war. Their hope is to set the Middle East on fire and force the US to attack and invade Iran.
6) Israel will not seek the release of the Hostages. They are much more valuable as martyrs and propaganda


Huh? Hamas has never agreed to a ceasefire. You’re delusional.


The endless propaganda you poor out your a$$ is truly amazing.

Al-Araby al-Jadeed obtained the text of the Gaza ceasefire agreement announced on Monday, May 6, 2024. Hamas has informed Qatar and Egypt of its acceptance of the agreement on Monday evening. Following is the verbatim text of the agreement that has a three-stage implementation plan, each lasting for 42 days

https://arabcenterdc.org/resource/details-of-the-ceasefire-deal-that-hamas-has-accepted/

You Israeli want nothing to do with ceasefire. Israel is Lucy with the football.


If Israel didn’t want a ceasefire then why did they propose one in August?

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c5y3xzex72no.amp


I'm not surprised you don't how Israel operates when people like Jake Tapper and Dana Bash and the NYT are what laughably passes for journalism on THIS topic.

Israel has NEVER honored a ceasefire as it's supposed to be honored. What they do is pretend to want a ceasefire, pretend to agree to one and then instigate. How dumb are you that you actually think Israel is capable of altruism in any form?
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Post 09/24/2024 15:16     Subject: Lebanon / Israel

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Resistance to Israeli Occupation: Hezbollah was initially formed to resist the Israeli occupation of southern Lebanon, which began in 1982 during the Lebanese Civil War. The group's primary objective was the liberation of Lebanese territory from Israeli control, which it claims it achieved in 2000 when Israeli forces withdrew from most of southern Lebanon. Hezbollah continues to view opposition to Israel as one of its core missions, particularly in relation to disputed areas like the Shebaa Farms.

Support for Palestinian Liberation: Hezbollah is committed to the broader goal of ending Israeli control over Palestinian territories and supports the Palestinian cause. It advocates for the destruction of the State of Israel and the establishment of an Islamic state in all of historic Palestine.

Defense of Lebanon: Hezbollah portrays itself as a defender of Lebanon from foreign aggression, particularly from Israel. It justifies maintaining a paramilitary wing by arguing that the Lebanese state and army alone cannot protect the country from Israeli threats.

Establishment of an Islamic State: In its original 1985 manifesto, Hezbollah expressed the goal of creating an Islamic government in Lebanon based on the model of Iran's Islamic Republic. However, this goal has been downplayed over the years, and Hezbollah now claims to respect Lebanon's multi-confessional nature, emphasizing political pluralism instead of insisting on an Islamic state.

Opposition to Western Influence: Hezbollah positions itself as a force against U.S. and Western influence in the Middle East. The group opposes what it perceives as American and Western hegemony in the region and aligns itself with Iran’s anti-Western stance, particularly in its opposition to U.S. policies and military interventions.

Support for Iran's Ideology: Hezbollah has strong ties to Iran, both financially and ideologically. It adheres to the principles of Wilayat al-Faqih, or the Guardianship of the Islamic Jurist, a concept developed by Iran's Ayatollah Khomeini, which advocates for the rule of a qualified Islamic jurist in the governance of a state. Hezbollah views Iran's Supreme Leader as its spiritual leader and continues to support Iran's regional policies.

Political Role in Lebanon: Over the years, Hezbollah has become an integral part of Lebanon's political system. It participates in elections, holds seats in the Lebanese parliament, and serves as part of governing coalitions. Hezbollah's stated political goal is to protect Lebanon’s sovereignty, security, and interests while ensuring the defense of the Shiite community, which is a significant political and social base for the group.



Given the recent emergence of, yet another, “Islamic State” in Afghanistan, I believe the world (and particularly the women of the world) have had quite enough of these “Islamic states,” espoused by Hezbollah in the paragraph above.

Israel is doing the world a favor by dismantling the designated terrorist organizations of Hezbollah and Hamas.

Carry on.


The last thing we need is yet another Islamic State run by psychopaths.


That is true because if we had one of those alongside the Jewish state run by psychopaths we truly would destroy the world as we know it.

There is another answer: a ceasefire.


Yes because Hamas and Hezbollah have a history of holding to ceasefires.

Wait … crap.


All you need to do is look at how many people (ie humans) Israel has killed over the last 100 years compared to how many Israelis Muslim groups have killed to understand that the scales are definitely tilted. It's not Israel that is the victim.


So you don’t care that Hamas and Hezbollah broke ceasefires on Oct 7/8.


There was no ceasefire to break because Israel was killing Gazans and West Bankers all along.


Yep. This.


Except that isn’t true as far as Gaza is concerned. There was a ceasefire and Hamas broke it.

There was also a ceasefire with Hezbollah.


GTFOH. Just GTFO.

Do you have any idea what an absolute land, sea and air blockade imposed on a goddamned squalid concentration camp looks and feels like? Random detentions without charge and extrajudicial killings with no provocation? Flagrant violations on international law, multi-generational violations of U.N. resolutions, violations of the Geneva Convention, sovereign airspace violations, assassinations of civilian men of science, and on and on.

Those people have every goddamned right in the world to hate Israel and Israelis for who they are, for what they’ve done, for what they stand for, and for the daily, numbing abuses and humiliations that have been forced upon them by people like you. “NBD, just get over it” and yet people like you have the gall to cry out the moment the oppressed fight back, demanding everyone’s attention and sympathy.

Israel will never have peace or safety because it’s not about a Jewish homeland, it’s about a platform for evil, craven POS imports from Eastern Europe to impose their bellicose, racist ideology on a group of people who walked into a one-sided fight involuntarily funded by people like me, FFS.


Your post was a rambling mess. Jeez.


No, it really isn't. It's crystal clear that you can't actually defend what israel has always been and so you play this pathetic game of acting like the person to whom you're responding is belligerent. Go squawk about everything and everyone being antisemitic. You're probably better at that than this cowardly deflection to defend a country built on lies regarding its very founding. Here's a clue: Jewish people from Europe brought terrorism with them. Hamas never could have existed if Zionist Terrorism stayed in Europe. Too gutless to take on the European Christians who *actually* massacred them, so they go after Palestinians who welcomed them.


DP.

I don't think any acting is required. You're pretty clearly belligerent (and that's being charitable).
Anonymous
Post 09/24/2024 15:16     Subject: Lebanon / Israel

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Resistance to Israeli Occupation: Hezbollah was initially formed to resist the Israeli occupation of southern Lebanon, which began in 1982 during the Lebanese Civil War. The group's primary objective was the liberation of Lebanese territory from Israeli control, which it claims it achieved in 2000 when Israeli forces withdrew from most of southern Lebanon. Hezbollah continues to view opposition to Israel as one of its core missions, particularly in relation to disputed areas like the Shebaa Farms.

Support for Palestinian Liberation: Hezbollah is committed to the broader goal of ending Israeli control over Palestinian territories and supports the Palestinian cause. It advocates for the destruction of the State of Israel and the establishment of an Islamic state in all of historic Palestine.

Defense of Lebanon: Hezbollah portrays itself as a defender of Lebanon from foreign aggression, particularly from Israel. It justifies maintaining a paramilitary wing by arguing that the Lebanese state and army alone cannot protect the country from Israeli threats.

Establishment of an Islamic State: In its original 1985 manifesto, Hezbollah expressed the goal of creating an Islamic government in Lebanon based on the model of Iran's Islamic Republic. However, this goal has been downplayed over the years, and Hezbollah now claims to respect Lebanon's multi-confessional nature, emphasizing political pluralism instead of insisting on an Islamic state.

Opposition to Western Influence: Hezbollah positions itself as a force against U.S. and Western influence in the Middle East. The group opposes what it perceives as American and Western hegemony in the region and aligns itself with Iran’s anti-Western stance, particularly in its opposition to U.S. policies and military interventions.

Support for Iran's Ideology: Hezbollah has strong ties to Iran, both financially and ideologically. It adheres to the principles of Wilayat al-Faqih, or the Guardianship of the Islamic Jurist, a concept developed by Iran's Ayatollah Khomeini, which advocates for the rule of a qualified Islamic jurist in the governance of a state. Hezbollah views Iran's Supreme Leader as its spiritual leader and continues to support Iran's regional policies.

Political Role in Lebanon: Over the years, Hezbollah has become an integral part of Lebanon's political system. It participates in elections, holds seats in the Lebanese parliament, and serves as part of governing coalitions. Hezbollah's stated political goal is to protect Lebanon’s sovereignty, security, and interests while ensuring the defense of the Shiite community, which is a significant political and social base for the group.



Given the recent emergence of, yet another, “Islamic State” in Afghanistan, I believe the world (and particularly the women of the world) have had quite enough of these “Islamic states,” espoused by Hezbollah in the paragraph above.

Israel is doing the world a favor by dismantling the designated terrorist organizations of Hezbollah and Hamas.

Carry on.


The last thing we need is yet another Islamic State run by psychopaths.


That is true because if we had one of those alongside the Jewish state run by psychopaths we truly would destroy the world as we know it.

There is another answer: a ceasefire.


Yes because Hamas and Hezbollah have a history of holding to ceasefires.

Wait … crap.


All you need to do is look at how many people (ie humans) Israel has killed over the last 100 years compared to how many Israelis Muslim groups have killed to understand that the scales are definitely tilted. It's not Israel that is the victim.


So you don’t care that Hamas and Hezbollah broke ceasefires on Oct 7/8.


There was no ceasefire to break because Israel was killing Gazans and West Bankers all along.


Yep. This.


Except that isn’t true as far as Gaza is concerned. There was a ceasefire and Hamas broke it.

There was also a ceasefire with Hezbollah.


GTFOH. Just GTFO.

Do you have any idea what an absolute land, sea and air blockade imposed on a goddamned squalid concentration camp looks and feels like? Random detentions without charge and extrajudicial killings with no provocation? Flagrant violations on international law, multi-generational violations of U.N. resolutions, violations of the Geneva Convention, sovereign airspace violations, assassinations of civilian men of science, and on and on.

Those people have every goddamned right in the world to hate Israel and Israelis for who they are, for what they’ve done, for what they stand for, and for the daily, numbing abuses and humiliations that have been forced upon them by people like you. “NBD, just get over it” and yet people like you have the gall to cry out the moment the oppressed fight back, demanding everyone’s attention and sympathy.

Israel will never have peace or safety because it’s not about a Jewish homeland, it’s about a platform for evil, craven POS imports from Eastern Europe to impose their bellicose, racist ideology on a group of people who walked into a one-sided fight involuntarily funded by people like me, FFS.


Your post was a rambling mess. Jeez.


No, it really isn't. It's crystal clear that you can't actually defend what israel has always been and so you play this pathetic game of acting like the person to whom you're responding is belligerent. Go squawk about everything and everyone being antisemitic. You're probably better at that than this cowardly deflection to defend a country built on lies regarding its very founding. Here's a clue: Jewish people from Europe brought terrorism with them. Hamas never could have existed if Zionist Terrorism stayed in Europe. Too gutless to take on the European Christians who *actually* massacred them, so they go after Palestinians who welcomed them.


Yeah yeah we get it, you hate white people…
Anonymous
Post 09/24/2024 15:14     Subject: Lebanon / Israel

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Resistance to Israeli Occupation: Hezbollah was initially formed to resist the Israeli occupation of southern Lebanon, which began in 1982 during the Lebanese Civil War. The group's primary objective was the liberation of Lebanese territory from Israeli control, which it claims it achieved in 2000 when Israeli forces withdrew from most of southern Lebanon. Hezbollah continues to view opposition to Israel as one of its core missions, particularly in relation to disputed areas like the Shebaa Farms.

Support for Palestinian Liberation: Hezbollah is committed to the broader goal of ending Israeli control over Palestinian territories and supports the Palestinian cause. It advocates for the destruction of the State of Israel and the establishment of an Islamic state in all of historic Palestine.

Defense of Lebanon: Hezbollah portrays itself as a defender of Lebanon from foreign aggression, particularly from Israel. It justifies maintaining a paramilitary wing by arguing that the Lebanese state and army alone cannot protect the country from Israeli threats.

Establishment of an Islamic State: In its original 1985 manifesto, Hezbollah expressed the goal of creating an Islamic government in Lebanon based on the model of Iran's Islamic Republic. However, this goal has been downplayed over the years, and Hezbollah now claims to respect Lebanon's multi-confessional nature, emphasizing political pluralism instead of insisting on an Islamic state.

Opposition to Western Influence: Hezbollah positions itself as a force against U.S. and Western influence in the Middle East. The group opposes what it perceives as American and Western hegemony in the region and aligns itself with Iran’s anti-Western stance, particularly in its opposition to U.S. policies and military interventions.

Support for Iran's Ideology: Hezbollah has strong ties to Iran, both financially and ideologically. It adheres to the principles of Wilayat al-Faqih, or the Guardianship of the Islamic Jurist, a concept developed by Iran's Ayatollah Khomeini, which advocates for the rule of a qualified Islamic jurist in the governance of a state. Hezbollah views Iran's Supreme Leader as its spiritual leader and continues to support Iran's regional policies.

Political Role in Lebanon: Over the years, Hezbollah has become an integral part of Lebanon's political system. It participates in elections, holds seats in the Lebanese parliament, and serves as part of governing coalitions. Hezbollah's stated political goal is to protect Lebanon’s sovereignty, security, and interests while ensuring the defense of the Shiite community, which is a significant political and social base for the group.



Given the recent emergence of, yet another, “Islamic State” in Afghanistan, I believe the world (and particularly the women of the world) have had quite enough of these “Islamic states,” espoused by Hezbollah in the paragraph above.

Israel is doing the world a favor by dismantling the designated terrorist organizations of Hezbollah and Hamas.

Carry on.


The last thing we need is yet another Islamic State run by psychopaths.


That is true because if we had one of those alongside the Jewish state run by psychopaths we truly would destroy the world as we know it.

There is another answer: a ceasefire.


Yes because Hamas and Hezbollah have a history of holding to ceasefires.

Wait … crap.


All you need to do is look at how many people (ie humans) Israel has killed over the last 100 years compared to how many Israelis Muslim groups have killed to understand that the scales are definitely tilted. It's not Israel that is the victim.


So you don’t care that Hamas and Hezbollah broke ceasefires on Oct 7/8.


There was no ceasefire to break because Israel was killing Gazans and West Bankers all along.


Yep. This.


Except that isn’t true as far as Gaza is concerned. There was a ceasefire and Hamas broke it.

There was also a ceasefire with Hezbollah.


GTFOH. Just GTFO.

Do you have any idea what an absolute land, sea and air blockade imposed on a goddamned squalid concentration camp looks and feels like? Random detentions without charge and extrajudicial killings with no provocation? Flagrant violations on international law, multi-generational violations of U.N. resolutions, violations of the Geneva Convention, sovereign airspace violations, assassinations of civilian men of science, and on and on.

Those people have every goddamned right in the world to hate Israel and Israelis for who they are, for what they’ve done, for what they stand for, and for the daily, numbing abuses and humiliations that have been forced upon them by people like you. “NBD, just get over it” and yet people like you have the gall to cry out the moment the oppressed fight back, demanding everyone’s attention and sympathy.

Israel will never have peace or safety because it’s not about a Jewish homeland, it’s about a platform for evil, craven POS imports from Eastern Europe to impose their bellicose, racist ideology on a group of people who walked into a one-sided fight involuntarily funded by people like me, FFS.


Your post was a rambling mess. Jeez.


No, it really isn't. It's crystal clear that you can't actually defend what israel has always been and so you play this pathetic game of acting like the person to whom you're responding is belligerent. Go squawk about everything and everyone being antisemitic. You're probably better at that than this cowardly deflection to defend a country built on lies regarding its very founding. Here's a clue: Jewish people from Europe brought terrorism with them. Hamas never could have existed if Zionist Terrorism stayed in Europe. Too gutless to take on the European Christians who *actually* massacred them, so they go after Palestinians who welcomed them.
Anonymous
Post 09/24/2024 15:12     Subject: Lebanon / Israel

Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:Just in case people aren’t aware of the regional dynamics at play:

Hezbollah is part of what is known as the Axis of Resistance. The other members are:

- Iran
- Hamas
- Houthis in Yemen
- Syria
- Popular Mobilization Forces (paramilitary group in Iraq)

They have murkier relations with Russia and Afghanistan.

Their stated goal is to destroy Israel.



And they don’t the US much, either.


Israel's current actions are changing hearts and minds but in the wrong direction: more and more people in the middle east hate Israel and the US.

There is another path: ceasefire and 2-state solution.


Hamas will allow neither. So you can criticize Bibi and rightly so, but don’t delude yourself into thinking Hamas wants a ceasefire or a 2 state solution.


Why do you even post? It is obvious by your answer you don’t even know the what is happening.

Let set the record straight.
1) Hamas has agreed to the ceasefire back in March with return of the hostages.
2) Israel and the US are the only two in the room “negotiating”- ie Israel says no to everything and the US naively kiss Netanyahu feet. Hamas is not in the room because you all killed the negotiators. Any time Israel wants to agree to a ceasefire and hostage release it is available. Israel is giving the US the finger.
3) Israel will never allow a two state solution. This is the stated position of the Israeli government and over 80% of the Israeli Jewish population. Israel is moving to annex the West Bank and does not recognize the West Bank on maps.
4) Israel hates the Palestinians and wishes to kill them all.
5) Israel sees how weak, feeble and naive Biden is. They will continue to exploit his weakness and expand the war. Their hope is to set the Middle East on fire and force the US to attack and invade Iran.
6) Israel will not seek the release of the Hostages. They are much more valuable as martyrs and propaganda


Huh? Hamas has never agreed to a ceasefire. You’re delusional.


The endless propaganda you poor out your a$$ is truly amazing.

Al-Araby al-Jadeed obtained the text of the Gaza ceasefire agreement announced on Monday, May 6, 2024. Hamas has informed Qatar and Egypt of its acceptance of the agreement on Monday evening. Following is the verbatim text of the agreement that has a three-stage implementation plan, each lasting for 42 days

https://arabcenterdc.org/resource/details-of-the-ceasefire-deal-that-hamas-has-accepted/

You Israeli want nothing to do with ceasefire. Israel is Lucy with the football.


If Israel didn’t want a ceasefire then why did they propose one in August?

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c5y3xzex72no.amp
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Post 09/24/2024 15:06     Subject: Lebanon / Israel

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:Just in case people aren’t aware of the regional dynamics at play:

Hezbollah is part of what is known as the Axis of Resistance. The other members are:

- Iran
- Hamas
- Houthis in Yemen
- Syria
- Popular Mobilization Forces (paramilitary group in Iraq)

They have murkier relations with Russia and Afghanistan.

Their stated goal is to destroy Israel.



And they don’t the US much, either.


Israel's current actions are changing hearts and minds but in the wrong direction: more and more people in the middle east hate Israel and the US.

There is another path: ceasefire and 2-state solution.


Hamas will allow neither. So you can criticize Bibi and rightly so, but don’t delude yourself into thinking Hamas wants a ceasefire or a 2 state solution.


Why do you even post? It is obvious by your answer you don’t even know the what is happening.

Let set the record straight.
1) Hamas has agreed to the ceasefire back in March with return of the hostages.
2) Israel and the US are the only two in the room “negotiating”- ie Israel says no to everything and the US naively kiss Netanyahu feet. Hamas is not in the room because you all killed the negotiators. Any time Israel wants to agree to a ceasefire and hostage release it is available. Israel is giving the US the finger.
3) Israel will never allow a two state solution. This is the stated position of the Israeli government and over 80% of the Israeli Jewish population. Israel is moving to annex the West Bank and does not recognize the West Bank on maps.
4) Israel hates the Palestinians and wishes to kill them all.
5) Israel sees how weak, feeble and naive Biden is. They will continue to exploit his weakness and expand the war. Their hope is to set the Middle East on fire and force the US to attack and invade Iran.
6) Israel will not seek the release of the Hostages. They are much more valuable as martyrs and propaganda


Huh? Hamas has never agreed to a ceasefire. You’re delusional.


The endless propaganda you poor out your a$$ is truly amazing.

Al-Araby al-Jadeed obtained the text of the Gaza ceasefire agreement announced on Monday, May 6, 2024. Hamas has informed Qatar and Egypt of its acceptance of the agreement on Monday evening. Following is the verbatim text of the agreement that has a three-stage implementation plan, each lasting for 42 days

https://arabcenterdc.org/resource/details-of-the-ceasefire-deal-that-hamas-has-accepted/

You Israeli want nothing to do with ceasefire. Israel is Lucy with the football.