Anonymous wrote:New York Times article January 10, 1982

Ivy League Considers Adding 2 Schools

hint: Northwestern & Army

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Anonymous wrote:https://research.umich.edu/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/VOR_FY22.pdf

Michigan receives over $1,000,000,000 yearly in funding from sources other than the NIH. That’s still more than Berkeley. Internally funded research is also over $500,000,000.

Michigan and Berkeley would consider each other academic peers but not peers with places like Minnesota, Purdue, or Michigan State. I think the point is more Berkeley would clearly be in the top few academic schools in the B1G and not close to the bottom as someone was trying to hint at with some strange funding stats. If it is the #1 or #3 overall public research university in the country, that is splitting hairs.

I agree. The Big Ten would want Berkeley because of its academics and prestige. However, Berkeley would not be one, two, or three in the conference as far research $$$ totals. The facts are indisputable.

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Based on the National Science Foundation R&D Expenditures report, UCal-Berkeley would rank eleventh (#11) among the Big Ten Conference schools, yet it would definitely be among the top 5 schools for academics.

The Big Ten Conference and its media partners (Fox, NBC, & CBS and BTN) were primarily assessing the added value of football programs among other factors during its most recent round of expansion.

Across the board, it would be at the top. For USNWR graduate program top 10 rankings, Berkeley and Michigan are tied for 1st with 59 top 10 (Stanford is 3rd with 56). But Berkeley's average ranking is higher than Michigan and it achieves its first place rank without having a medical school. As noted, UC San Francisco is rated separately.

Wow ! Clearly, you do not understand or appreciate the culture of the Big Ten Conference member schools.

Okay. Let's assume that UCal-Berkeley is the best school in the universe and ranked at the top for everything except value of its football program to the Big Ten Conference and its broadcast affiliates--What would change ?

The Ivy League is an athletic conference as well.

Stanford and Cal dropping big-time football and joining the Ivy League would be incredible! They'd never actually agree to join a crappy league like the Ivy but it is fun to think about for Stanford from my perspective.

Interesting post.

Decades ago (about 1980), the Ivy League targeted Northwestern University and the US Military Academy at West Point for membership. Northwestern stopped the conversation due to the travel burden that would be placed upon its athletes & athletic teams.

There are many stories about Ivy League expansion, but most are likely not true. It would involve 1) an actual invitation and 2) the target school being willing to forego athletic scholarships.

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Anonymous wrote:These announcements should at least be a little more honest:
"The University of Maryland supports the Big Ten Conference's announcement of the admission of the University of Oregon and University of Washington to the conference. Oregon and Washington have rich academic and athletic histories that align with our Big Ten colleagues.

Oregon and Washington are exemplary additions to the Big Ten. Both are members of the AAU and share a commitment to successful academic programs..."

Joining to play sports is almost an afterthought or footnote

Seriously UMD and Oregon need to immediately push for the Nike - UnderArmour rivalry game every year. It’s coast against coast and quirky it would be a cool event. Of course over the years it would just become a tradition that’s cool.

Anonymous wrote:These announcements should at least be a little more honest:
"The University of Maryland supports the Big Ten Conference's announcement of the admission of the University of Oregon and University of Washington to the conference. Oregon and Washington have rich academic and athletic histories that align with our Big Ten colleagues.

Oregon and Washington are exemplary additions to the Big Ten. Both are members of the AAU and share a commitment to successful academic programs..."

Joining to play sports is almost an afterthought or footnote

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remember the arrogant ACC attitude when UMD defected. Some people even said that Louisville was a more valuable member. Then Duke said they would never play UMD again. They all got together in a huge meeting and developed / signed the ironclad GOR and smugly waxed secure and superior.

I remember thinking “ What’s FSU doing signing that thing? Are they stupid or do they know something that is secret and not totally obvious?”

Well it turns out that FSU must be run by stupid administrators and that doesn’t say much for the education quality. Everybody else wouldn’t definitely have a landing spot due to a number of factors so they have some excuses.

At any rate the loss of its most valuable member really did a number on the ACC. I feel bad for those schools.

What was UMD's main reason for defecting?

They got an invitation and the numbers were mind blowing .

Yes after adding UMD and Rutgers the media contract for the B1G doubled.

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remember the arrogant ACC attitude when UMD defected. Some people even said that Louisville was a more valuable member. Then Duke said they would never play UMD again. They all got together in a huge meeting and developed / signed the ironclad GOR and smugly waxed secure and superior.

I remember thinking “ What’s FSU doing signing that thing? Are they stupid or do they know something that is secret and not totally obvious?”

Well it turns out that FSU must be run by stupid administrators and that doesn’t say much for the education quality. Everybody else wouldn’t definitely have a landing spot due to a number of factors so they have some excuses.

At any rate the loss of its most valuable member really did a number on the ACC. I feel bad for those schools.

What was UMD's main reason for defecting?

They got an invitation and the numbers were mind blowing .

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remember the arrogant ACC attitude when UMD defected. Some people even said that Louisville was a more valuable member. Then Duke said they would never play UMD again. They all got together in a huge meeting and developed / signed the ironclad GOR and smugly waxed secure and superior.

I remember thinking “ What’s FSU doing signing that thing? Are they stupid or do they know something that is secret and not totally obvious?”

Well it turns out that FSU must be run by stupid administrators and that doesn’t say much for the education quality. Everybody else wouldn’t definitely have a landing spot due to a number of factors so they have some excuses.

At any rate the loss of its most valuable member really did a number on the ACC. I feel bad for those schools.

What was UMD's main reason for defecting?

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remember the arrogant ACC attitude when UMD defected. Some people even said that Louisville was a more valuable member. Then Duke said they would never play UMD again. They all got together in a huge meeting and developed / signed the ironclad GOR and smugly waxed secure and superior.

I remember thinking “ What’s FSU doing signing that thing? Are they stupid or do they know something that is secret and not totally obvious?”

Well it turns out that FSU must be run by stupid administrators and that doesn’t say much for the education quality. Everybody else wouldn’t definitely have a landing spot due to a number of factors so they have some excuses.

At any rate the loss of its most valuable member really did a number on the ACC. I feel bad for those schools.

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remember the arrogant ACC attitude when UMD defected. Some people even said that Louisville was a more valuable member. Then Duke said they would never play UMD again. They all got together in a huge meeting and developed / signed the ironclad GOR and smugly waxed secure and superior.

I remember thinking “ What’s FSU doing signing that thing? Are they stupid or do they know something that is secret and not totally obvious?”

Well it turns out that FSU must be run by stupid administrators and that doesn’t say much for the education quality. Everybody else wouldn’t definitely have a landing spot due to a number of factors so they have some excuses.

At any rate the loss of its most valuable member really did a number on the ACC. I feel bad for those schools.

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Anonymous wrote:https://research.umich.edu/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/VOR_FY22.pdf

Michigan receives over $1,000,000,000 yearly in funding from sources other than the NIH. That’s still more than Berkeley. Internally funded research is also over $500,000,000.

Michigan and Berkeley would consider each other academic peers but not peers with places like Minnesota, Purdue, or Michigan State. I think the point is more Berkeley would clearly be in the top few academic schools in the B1G and not close to the bottom as someone was trying to hint at with some strange funding stats. If it is the #1 or #3 overall public research university in the country, that is splitting hairs.

I agree. The Big Ten would want Berkeley because of its academics and prestige. However, Berkeley would not be one, two, or three in the conference as far research $$$ totals. The facts are indisputable.

Correct.

Based on the National Science Foundation R&D Expenditures report, UCal-Berkeley would rank eleventh (#11) among the Big Ten Conference schools, yet it would definitely be among the top 5 schools for academics.

The Big Ten Conference and its media partners (Fox, NBC, & CBS and BTN) were primarily assessing the added value of football programs among other factors during its most recent round of expansion.

Across the board, it would be at the top. For USNWR graduate program top 10 rankings, Berkeley and Michigan are tied for 1st with 59 top 10 (Stanford is 3rd with 56). But Berkeley's average ranking is higher than Michigan and it achieves its first place rank without having a medical school. As noted, UC San Francisco is rated separately.

Wow ! Clearly, you do not understand or appreciate the culture of the Big Ten Conference member schools.

Okay. Let's assume that UCal-Berkeley is the best school in the universe and ranked at the top for everything except value of its football program to the Big Ten Conference and its broadcast affiliates--What would change ?

The Ivy League is an athletic conference as well.

Stanford and Cal dropping big-time football and joining the Ivy League would be incredible! They'd never actually agree to join a crappy league like the Ivy but it is fun to think about for Stanford from my perspective.

Interesting post.

Decades ago (about 1980), the Ivy League targeted Northwestern University and the US Military Academy at West Point for membership. Northwestern stopped the conversation due to the travel burden that would be placed upon its athletes & athletic teams.

There are many stories about Ivy League expansion, but most are likely not true. It would involve 1) an actual invitation and 2) the target school being willing to forego athletic scholarships.