Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We can enact all the gun laws we want. The laws will never, ever completely remove illegal weapons from the hands of criminals who require them to commit their crimes. A gun is as necessary as a smartphone to them. Ban guns and you will still hear gunshots ringing out across certain neighborhoods in cities across the country.

Ridiculous. Just because we can't eliminate 100% of them doesn't mean we can't or shouldn't try. We could easily get rid of 95% of the illegal guns and make the streets a hell of a lot safer. Same way that seat belts and airbags and crumple zones made cars a hell of a lot safer. Yes, collisions still happen but you're a lot more likely to survive it.

Tell me all about how successful prohibition of easily manufactured and smuggled items is the day after there’s no more Chinese fentanyl in circulation.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here's the Bureau of Prisons study -
Top sources of guns used by criminals:
Bought via underground market 43.2%
Bought/traded/borrowed/given to them by someone 25.3%
Other - brought by someone else, etc 17.4%
Legally purchased 10.1%
Stolen is all the way down at 6.4%.

https://bjs.ojp.gov/content/pub/pdf/suficspi16.pdf

Things like universal mandatory background checks and ability to track movement of guns via persistent searchable database would take away a good 80% plus of the pathways for criminals to get guns.

Track movement? Your “persistent searchable database” will lead from the crime-gun recovery to the original purchaser, and stop there with nothing in between. The authorities seem to have no trouble accomplishing that now.

Your thesis also ignores the smuggling solution. The same people who bring in tons of illicit narcotics will be more than happy to ship firearms.

When coupled with mandatory universal background checks, when you then trace it, the last guy to show up in the records is the one who moved it into the criminal underground. Couple it with a law that says you must report lost or stolen guns, and there's no out. Might be able to get away with saying you lost guns or had them stolen ONCE but after that if you want to claim you lost guns or had them stolen AGAIN then AT BEST you are an irresponsible gun owner who shouldn't have had guns in the first place, and at worst you are an accessory to the crime for having supplied the gun to the criminals whether directly or indirectly.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We can enact all the gun laws we want. The laws will never, ever completely remove illegal weapons from the hands of criminals who require them to commit their crimes. A gun is as necessary as a smartphone to them. Ban guns and you will still hear gunshots ringing out across certain neighborhoods in cities across the country.

Ridiculous. Just because we can't eliminate 100% of them doesn't mean we can't or shouldn't try. We could easily get rid of 95% of the illegal guns and make the streets a hell of a lot safer. Same way that seat belts and airbags and crumple zones made cars a hell of a lot safer. Yes, collisions still happen but you're a lot more likely to survive it.

Tell me all about how successful prohibition of easily manufactured and smuggled items is the day after there’s no more Chinese fentanyl in circulation.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here's the Bureau of Prisons study -
Top sources of guns used by criminals:
Bought via underground market 43.2%
Bought/traded/borrowed/given to them by someone 25.3%
Other - brought by someone else, etc 17.4%
Legally purchased 10.1%
Stolen is all the way down at 6.4%.

https://bjs.ojp.gov/content/pub/pdf/suficspi16.pdf

Things like universal mandatory background checks and ability to track movement of guns via persistent searchable database would take away a good 80% plus of the pathways for criminals to get guns.

Track movement? Your “persistent searchable database” will lead from the crime-gun recovery to the original purchaser, and stop there with nothing in between. The authorities seem to have no trouble accomplishing that now.

Your thesis also ignores the smuggling solution. The same people who bring in tons of illicit narcotics will be more than happy to ship firearms.

When coupled with mandatory universal background checks, when you then trace it, the last guy to show up in the records is the one who moved it into the criminal underground. Couple it with a law that says you must report lost or stolen guns, and there's no out. Might be able to get away with saying you lost guns or had them stolen ONCE but after that if you want to claim you lost guns or had them stolen AGAIN then AT BEST you are an irresponsible gun owner who shouldn't have had guns in the first place, and at worst you are an accessory to the crime for having supplied the gun to the criminals whether directly or indirectly.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We can enact all the gun laws we want. The laws will never, ever completely remove illegal weapons from the hands of criminals who require them to commit their crimes. A gun is as necessary as a smartphone to them. Ban guns and you will still hear gunshots ringing out across certain neighborhoods in cities across the country.

Ridiculous. Just because we can't eliminate 100% of them doesn't mean we can't or shouldn't try. We could easily get rid of 95% of the illegal guns and make the streets a hell of a lot safer. Same way that seat belts and airbags and crumple zones made cars a hell of a lot safer. Yes, collisions still happen but you're a lot more likely to survive it.