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Anonymous wrote:Yes. Beth's memoir was one of the best things I have read in years. I think so highly of her after reading it.. And kind of want to try Anglican church too lol.

As someone who has just left the Anglican church beware...it has the same problems all the evangelicals have right now...patriarchy, not believing women, abuse of power. I'm brokenhearted over leaving but from now on if a church doesn't welcome women at the top or gays to be married it is a glaring RED FLAG for me.

Also, the Anglican church had a beautiful liturgy, sense of artistry, and the music was incredible. Such a shame it is led by wolves in sheep's clothing.

I'm not sure I see the logic that moves from "there were problems with the Anglican church I was a part of" to "every church needs to embrace progressive views for me to be a part of it." The second thing doesn't automatically follow from the first unless it's already the direction you were headed anyway. It's the same direction Jen Hatmaker chose.

There are so many churches and denominations that are gay affirming. I will never understand why people will purposely choose to attend a “traditional marriage” church, then complain about it. If you want a progressive church, pick one. Leave the rest alone.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes. Beth's memoir was one of the best things I have read in years. I think so highly of her after reading it.. And kind of want to try Anglican church too lol.

As someone who has just left the Anglican church beware...it has the same problems all the evangelicals have right now...patriarchy, not believing women, abuse of power. I'm brokenhearted over leaving but from now on if a church doesn't welcome women at the top or gays to be married it is a glaring RED FLAG for me.

Also, the Anglican church had a beautiful liturgy, sense of artistry, and the music was incredible. Such a shame it is led by wolves in sheep's clothing.

I'm not sure I see the logic that moves from "there were problems with the Anglican church I was a part of" to "every church needs to embrace progressive views for me to be a part of it." The second thing doesn't automatically follow from the first unless it's already the direction you were headed anyway. It's the same direction Jen Hatmaker chose.

There are so many churches and denominations that are gay affirming. I will never understand why people will purposely choose to attend a “traditional marriage” church, then complain about it. If you want a progressive church, pick one. Leave the rest alone.

Anonymous wrote:There are problems with the Anglican Church at the TOP, all the way down. The whole thing is all about the patriarchy, not believing women and children, and not holding men accountable for their vile, abusive, and criminal behavior. Want more facts check out ACNAtoo

I'm aware of ACNAtoo. It doesn't define the entire Anglican church. I know people in ACNA churches and that hasn't been their experience. You're painting with an awfully wide brush.

There are problems with the Anglican Church at the TOP, all the way down. The whole thing is all about the patriarchy, not believing women and children, and not holding men accountable for their vile, abusive, and criminal behavior. Want more facts check out ACNAtoo

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Anonymous wrote:Yes. Beth's memoir was one of the best things I have read in years. I think so highly of her after reading it.. And kind of want to try Anglican church too lol.

As someone who has just left the Anglican church beware...it has the same problems all the evangelicals have right now...patriarchy, not believing women, abuse of power. I'm brokenhearted over leaving but from now on if a church doesn't welcome women at the top or gays to be married it is a glaring RED FLAG for me.

Also, the Anglican church had a beautiful liturgy, sense of artistry, and the music was incredible. Such a shame it is led by wolves in sheep's clothing.

I'm not sure I see the logic that moves from "there were problems with the Anglican church I was a part of" to "every church needs to embrace progressive views for me to be a part of it." The second thing doesn't automatically follow from the first unless it's already the direction you were headed anyway. It's the same direction Jen Hatmaker chose.

Anonymous wrote:Beth Moore is nothing like Jen Hatmaker.

Nope. But Jen is clearly in the midst of writing her own memoir or something along those lines and gave an honest post about feeling compassion for her younger self. It was a well-written piece. But the main event is that Tyler- The Tyler Merritt- the same one who we all thought couldn't seem to care about her in public, actually commented on this post and acted like he cares a lot about her new book and thus, cares about her. After all of our skepticism, those two crazy kids might just make it.
And you know what? I hope they do. I hope she's making the turn into a more stable season with heartfelt writing and that he supports her and that she stops dallying with all of this ridiculous product pushing and shilling.

Beth Moore is nothing like Jen Hatmaker.

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Anonymous wrote:Now she has Derek Webb on her podcast to talk about deconstruction. (Sigh) Don't these golks ever get tired of tilling the same ground over and over and over. It's like they're all just sitting in a circle chattering at each other about how important their obsession is with the fact that they used to be evangelicals while most of the world doesn't care. There's something pathetic about it.

It’s so old news. We get it, you guys “deconstructed” and became secular or “spiritual” or exvangelical and now that you’ve done it you can’t stop talking about it. But mostly only to one another, the definition of an echo chamber.

For those of you in the back. No one cares!

Does Jen even go to church anymore? Even the dear little church she started with her ex? Or is “church” just too hard right now?

If Jen isn’t even able to go to ANC anymore you know she’s never going to a normal church where she can’t be the center of attention and all “extra” and stuff.

I just finished reading Beth Moore's memoir. What a difference between her and JH. Beth was also deeply hurt by the people in her denomination for speaking out, but it didn't cause her to go off the deep end. The chapter about her and her husband finding a new church moved me so much. Her humility and gentleness are truly examples to live by. And her prose is gorgeous, though it was a little too folksy for me at the beginning. Beth's not trying to be cool, or hip, or sell me anything. Jen could learn something from her!

Beth literally just sold you a book.

Nope. Library.

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Anonymous wrote:Now she has Derek Webb on her podcast to talk about deconstruction. (Sigh) Don't these golks ever get tired of tilling the same ground over and over and over. It's like they're all just sitting in a circle chattering at each other about how important their obsession is with the fact that they used to be evangelicals while most of the world doesn't care. There's something pathetic about it.

It’s so old news. We get it, you guys “deconstructed” and became secular or “spiritual” or exvangelical and now that you’ve done it you can’t stop talking about it. But mostly only to one another, the definition of an echo chamber.

For those of you in the back. No one cares!

Does Jen even go to church anymore? Even the dear little church she started with her ex? Or is “church” just too hard right now?

If Jen isn’t even able to go to ANC anymore you know she’s never going to a normal church where she can’t be the center of attention and all “extra” and stuff.

I just finished reading Beth Moore's memoir. What a difference between her and JH. Beth was also deeply hurt by the people in her denomination for speaking out, but it didn't cause her to go off the deep end. The chapter about her and her husband finding a new church moved me so much. Her humility and gentleness are truly examples to live by. And her prose is gorgeous, though it was a little too folksy for me at the beginning. Beth's not trying to be cool, or hip, or sell me anything. Jen could learn something from her!

Beth literally just sold you a book.

Anonymous wrote:Yes. Beth's memoir was one of the best things I have read in years. I think so highly of her after reading it.. And kind of want to try Anglican church too lol.

As someone who has just left the Anglican church beware...it has the same problems all the evangelicals have right now...patriarchy, not believing women, abuse of power. I'm brokenhearted over leaving but from now on if a church doesn't welcome women at the top or gays to be married it is a glaring RED FLAG for me.

Also, the Anglican church had a beautiful liturgy, sense of artistry, and the music was incredible. Such a shame it is led by wolves in sheep's clothing.

Yes. Beth's memoir was one of the best things I have read in years. I think so highly of her after reading it.. And kind of want to try Anglican church too lol.

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Anonymous wrote:Now she has Derek Webb on her podcast to talk about deconstruction. (Sigh) Don't these golks ever get tired of tilling the same ground over and over and over. It's like they're all just sitting in a circle chattering at each other about how important their obsession is with the fact that they used to be evangelicals while most of the world doesn't care. There's something pathetic about it.

It’s so old news. We get it, you guys “deconstructed” and became secular or “spiritual” or exvangelical and now that you’ve done it you can’t stop talking about it. But mostly only to one another, the definition of an echo chamber.

For those of you in the back. No one cares!

Does Jen even go to church anymore? Even the dear little church she started with her ex? Or is “church” just too hard right now?

If Jen isn’t even able to go to ANC anymore you know she’s never going to a normal church where she can’t be the center of attention and all “extra” and stuff.

I just finished reading Beth Moore's memoir. What a difference between her and JH. Beth was also deeply hurt by the people in her denomination for speaking out, but it didn't cause her to go off the deep end. The chapter about her and her husband finding a new church moved me so much. Her humility and gentleness are truly examples to live by. And her prose is gorgeous, though it was a little too folksy for me at the beginning. Beth's not trying to be cool, or hip, or sell me anything. Jen could learn something from her!

What is this thread?

And today Lysa Terkeurst announced she just got remarried. I'm sure Jen is jealous!

Anonymous wrote:Did y'all see Sarah Bessey's post today which I think is addressing her extreme weight loss. She finally tells us how she did it... Nourishment. Yes nourishing and feeding herself more. What the hell?

What-- Nourishment? I need to understand exactly what she means (and did she include a crazy amount of exercise too??)

She looks great. I had assumed she was in a season if life where she could better care for her health.