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Anonymous wrote:University of VA

UVA = overrated

please, explain why UVA is overrated?

I didn't write "UVA = overrated", but I would say UVA can be an obsession with people on this board, yet attending UVA doesn't appear to confer significant lifetime advantages over schools that aren't an obsession.

I agree. UVA is objectively a very good school, so saying it's overrated isn't a reflection of the actual academics. It's more the single minded obsession of a certain segment of the NOVA population that doesn't want to pay for a private school but still wants to brag about edging out other people for a coveted spot. This particular group has decided that UVA is the only acceptable in-state option for them to pursue.

Take a look at the 7 schools below . Would you say school "?" is more like schools ABC, or schools XYZ?

NPV or Net Present Value is the return (increased income minus costs) of attending each school. Over/Under is the delta between expected early career earnings and actual earning adjusted for the majors of graduates (e.g. majors like engineers are expected to earn earn more). Analysis is from Center for Education and the Workforce.

School NPV Over/Under
A $1,967,000 $20,200
B $1,754,000 $14,900
C $1,607,000 $8,300

X $1,330,000 ($500)
Y $1,313,000 $1,000
Z $1,255,000 $1,200

? $1,291,000 ($2,400)

For those that want to know:
A = Harvard
B = Duke
C = Cornell

X = University of Maryland College Park
Y = Virginia Tech
Z = George Mason

? = University of Virginia

Does this assume instate or OOS for the publics?

The net price or investment in this analysis is based on overall average net price across all students so while it is a good directional tool for this thread, if you are comparing say OOS Michigan vs in-state UVa or something similar, it falls apart. You need to recalc based on your own net price.

plus earnings data used is only for kids who received fafsa aid

wow, those numbers are all the more impressive. I don't know if students who get fafsa aid would do worse or better than non fafsa aid students, but those numbers are impressive.

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Anonymous wrote:The University of California schools.

California is a horrid place.

Most people would move to CA if they could afford it. If you have a lot of money, it's a great place.

+1, and I have family and friends there over a broad range of political beliefs, industries, and backgrounds. California is pretty magical. People will grumble about politics and taxes and the traffic and even aspects of the culture, but you cannot beat the weather or the natural beauty. I have lived there before and would go back in a heartbeat of the finances lined up, despite knowing all its many downsides. Whenever I visit, it takes about 12 hours before I wish I live there again (sometimes it happens the minute I get off the plane, if I'm on a pleasure trip to certain destinations).

If my kid wanted to attend and got into a UC school, I'd be thrilled. And many of those schools are really good too (not all). But it's increasingly very, very hard for out of state applicants.

I was born in the Bay Area and now live in flyover country.

It's sunnier there than where I live now but...my valley now has way more sprawl and smog than it did. There is also really bad traffic, the real estate prices are incredibly terrible, San Francisco is grungier, the BART is grungier, my old elementary school in a high-priced neighborhood looks run down, and the weather seems to be getting worse (fires, rain deluges). Objectively, it doesn't look like a great trend.

I mean.. climate change is hitting a lot of cities. Look at Houston today.

But, if you have $$$$ you aren't concerning yourself with BART much.

The real estate prices are crazy because of the demand, which means a lot of people with a lot of money want to live there.

It is not affordable for young people, and this thread is about colleges. California lags in affordable housing.

UC Berkeley and UCLA are the top publics. I doubt that the home ownership stats of their graduates would be anywhere close to the top.

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Anonymous wrote:University of VA

UVA = overrated

please, explain why UVA is overrated?

I didn't write "UVA = overrated", but I would say UVA can be an obsession with people on this board, yet attending UVA doesn't appear to confer significant lifetime advantages over schools that aren't an obsession.

I agree. UVA is objectively a very good school, so saying it's overrated isn't a reflection of the actual academics. It's more the single minded obsession of a certain segment of the NOVA population that doesn't want to pay for a private school but still wants to brag about edging out other people for a coveted spot. This particular group has decided that UVA is the only acceptable in-state option for them to pursue.

Take a look at the 7 schools below . Would you say school "?" is more like schools ABC, or schools XYZ?

NPV or Net Present Value is the return (increased income minus costs) of attending each school. Over/Under is the delta between expected early career earnings and actual earning adjusted for the majors of graduates (e.g. majors like engineers are expected to earn earn more). Analysis is from Center for Education and the Workforce.

School NPV Over/Under
A $1,967,000 $20,200
B $1,754,000 $14,900
C $1,607,000 $8,300

X $1,330,000 ($500)
Y $1,313,000 $1,000
Z $1,255,000 $1,200

? $1,291,000 ($2,400)

For those that want to know:
A = Harvard
B = Duke
C = Cornell

X = University of Maryland College Park
Y = Virginia Tech
Z = George Mason

? = University of Virginia

Does this assume instate or OOS for the publics?

The net price or investment in this analysis is based on overall average net price across all students so while it is a good directional tool for this thread, if you are comparing say OOS Michigan vs in-state UVa or something similar, it falls apart. You need to recalc based on your own net price.

plus earnings data used is only for kids who received fafsa aid

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Anonymous wrote:University of VA

UVA = overrated

please, explain why UVA is overrated?

I didn't write "UVA = overrated", but I would say UVA can be an obsession with people on this board, yet attending UVA doesn't appear to confer significant lifetime advantages over schools that aren't an obsession.

I agree. UVA is objectively a very good school, so saying it's overrated isn't a reflection of the actual academics. It's more the single minded obsession of a certain segment of the NOVA population that doesn't want to pay for a private school but still wants to brag about edging out other people for a coveted spot. This particular group has decided that UVA is the only acceptable in-state option for them to pursue.

Take a look at the 7 schools below . Would you say school "?" is more like schools ABC, or schools XYZ?

NPV or Net Present Value is the return (increased income minus costs) of attending each school. Over/Under is the delta between expected early career earnings and actual earning adjusted for the majors of graduates (e.g. majors like engineers are expected to earn earn more). Analysis is from Center for Education and the Workforce.

School NPV Over/Under
A $1,967,000 $20,200
B $1,754,000 $14,900
C $1,607,000 $8,300

X $1,330,000 ($500)
Y $1,313,000 $1,000
Z $1,255,000 $1,200

? $1,291,000 ($2,400)

For those that want to know:
A = Harvard
B = Duke
C = Cornell

X = University of Maryland College Park
Y = Virginia Tech
Z = George Mason

? = University of Virginia

Does this assume instate or OOS for the publics?

The net price or investment in this analysis is based on overall average net price across all students so while it is a good directional tool for this thread, if you are comparing say OOS Michigan vs in-state UVa or something similar, it falls apart. You need to recalc based on your own net price.

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Anonymous wrote:The University of California schools.

California is a horrid place.

Most people would move to CA if they could afford it. If you have a lot of money, it's a great place.

+1, and I have family and friends there over a broad range of political beliefs, industries, and backgrounds. California is pretty magical. People will grumble about politics and taxes and the traffic and even aspects of the culture, but you cannot beat the weather or the natural beauty. I have lived there before and would go back in a heartbeat of the finances lined up, despite knowing all its many downsides. Whenever I visit, it takes about 12 hours before I wish I live there again (sometimes it happens the minute I get off the plane, if I'm on a pleasure trip to certain destinations).

If my kid wanted to attend and got into a UC school, I'd be thrilled. And many of those schools are really good too (not all). But it's increasingly very, very hard for out of state applicants.

I was born in the Bay Area and now live in flyover country.

It's sunnier there than where I live now but...my valley now has way more sprawl and smog than it did. There is also really bad traffic, the real estate prices are incredibly terrible, San Francisco is grungier, the BART is grungier, my old elementary school in a high-priced neighborhood looks run down, and the weather seems to be getting worse (fires, rain deluges). Objectively, it doesn't look like a great trend.

I mean.. climate change is hitting a lot of cities. Look at Houston today.

But, if you have $$$$ you aren't concerning yourself with BART much.

The real estate prices are crazy because of the demand, which means a lot of people with a lot of money want to live there.

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Anonymous wrote:The University of California schools.

California is a horrid place.

Most people would move to CA if they could afford it. If you have a lot of money, it's a great place.

+1, and I have family and friends there over a broad range of political beliefs, industries, and backgrounds. California is pretty magical. People will grumble about politics and taxes and the traffic and even aspects of the culture, but you cannot beat the weather or the natural beauty. I have lived there before and would go back in a heartbeat of the finances lined up, despite knowing all its many downsides. Whenever I visit, it takes about 12 hours before I wish I live there again (sometimes it happens the minute I get off the plane, if I'm on a pleasure trip to certain destinations).

If my kid wanted to attend and got into a UC school, I'd be thrilled. And many of those schools are really good too (not all). But it's increasingly very, very hard for out of state applicants.

I was born in the Bay Area and now live in flyover country.

It's sunnier there than where I live now but...my valley now has way more sprawl and smog than it did. There is also really bad traffic, the real estate prices are incredibly terrible, San Francisco is grungier, the BART is grungier, my old elementary school in a high-priced neighborhood looks run down, and the weather seems to be getting worse (fires, rain deluges). Objectively, it doesn't look like a great trend.

Anonymous wrote:Harvard, Emory, UVA, UMich.

UMich has like 40% acceptance rate.

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Anonymous wrote:University of VA

UVA = overrated

please, explain why UVA is overrated?

I didn't write "UVA = overrated", but I would say UVA can be an obsession with people on this board, yet attending UVA doesn't appear to confer significant lifetime advantages over schools that aren't an obsession.

I agree. UVA is objectively a very good school, so saying it's overrated isn't a reflection of the actual academics. It's more the single minded obsession of a certain segment of the NOVA population that doesn't want to pay for a private school but still wants to brag about edging out other people for a coveted spot. This particular group has decided that UVA is the only acceptable in-state option for them to pursue.

Take a look at the 7 schools below . Would you say school "?" is more like schools ABC, or schools XYZ?

NPV or Net Present Value is the return (increased income minus costs) of attending each school. Over/Under is the delta between expected early career earnings and actual earning adjusted for the majors of graduates (e.g. majors like engineers are expected to earn earn more). Analysis is from Center for Education and the Workforce.

School NPV Over/Under
A $1,967,000 $20,200
B $1,754,000 $14,900
C $1,607,000 $8,300

X $1,330,000 ($500)
Y $1,313,000 $1,000
Z $1,255,000 $1,200

? $1,291,000 ($2,400)

For those that want to know:
A = Harvard
B = Duke
C = Cornell

X = University of Maryland College Park
Y = Virginia Tech
Z = George Mason

? = University of Virginia

Does this assume instate or OOS for the publics?

Anonymous wrote:Harvard, Emory, UVA, UMich.

UMich has like 40% acceptance rate.

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Anonymous wrote:The University of California schools.

California is a horrid place.

Most people would move to CA if they could afford it. If you have a lot of money, it's a great place.

Anonymous wrote:michigan and its40% acceptance rate and 1350 25% SAT

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Anonymous wrote:University of VA

UVA = overrated

please, explain why UVA is overrated?

I didn't write "UVA = overrated", but I would say UVA can be an obsession with people on this board, yet attending UVA doesn't appear to confer significant lifetime advantages over schools that aren't an obsession.

I agree. UVA is objectively a very good school, so saying it's overrated isn't a reflection of the actual academics. It's more the single minded obsession of a certain segment of the NOVA population that doesn't want to pay for a private school but still wants to brag about edging out other people for a coveted spot. This particular group has decided that UVA is the only acceptable in-state option for them to pursue.

Take a look at the 7 schools below . Would you say school "?" is more like schools ABC, or schools XYZ?

NPV or Net Present Value is the return (increased income minus costs) of attending each school. Over/Under is the delta between expected early career earnings and actual earning adjusted for the majors of graduates (e.g. majors like engineers are expected to earn earn more). Analysis is from Center for Education and the Workforce.

School NPV Over/Under
A $1,967,000 $20,200
B $1,754,000 $14,900
C $1,607,000 $8,300

X $1,330,000 ($500)
Y $1,313,000 $1,000
Z $1,255,000 $1,200

? $1,291,000 ($2,400)

For those that want to know:
A = Harvard
B = Duke
C = Cornell

X = University of Maryland College Park
Y = Virginia Tech
Z = George Mason

? = University of Virginia