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They surveyed parents and found that lower income parents were less likely to want face to face instruction for the fall. It is actually YOU who is disrespecting people who are lower SES by telling them what they want and need. You're entitled to act like a white savior, but you can't expect that anyone will respect you for it.

Things I've heard parents on here saying: "I just want to be able to telework productively", "MY child will be showing up at school in the fall without a mask to receive their free and appropriate public education", "Fire all the teachers and replace them with all the millions of smart unemployed people who would be happy to take their jobs", "Teachers need to start doing their part and sacrificing during the pandemic", "I should be paid to help my child with their school work", "We should get our taxes back because DL is a failure", "Teachers are whiners"

A lot of the parents in my class don't work in any capacity. I don't know their life story-whatever they do to make ends meet isn't my concern. But don't try to tell me that you speak for the working class.

You know, I've read probably every post on this topic on this forum (because I'm a masochist that way), and I don't think there has been even one instance of anybody saying that.

I mean, there are certainly the "if you wear a mask, you will suffocate on your own carbon dioxide" cranks, but they don't support school without masks; they support keeping schools closed. There are also the "Kids can't/won't wear masks because [reasons]" people, but they support keeping schools closed too.

Literally that is an exact quote-I’m not going to look for it, but I’m sure you could use the search function if you were so inclined.

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Yes teachers are just like doctors what with all the respect, support and money they get from society. Everyone wants someone else to make the sacrifice for them, but god forbid Larla has to be sad and her parents have to sacrifice for her.

I'd say teachers get more respect and money than supermarket workers. And yet the latter are doing their jobs despite some risk.

Retail workers, home health care aides, other medical workers who aren't doctors, bus drivers, delivery people, construction workers, truck drivers, warehouse workers, food manufacturing workers, building services workers, mail carriers...

And it's not about Larla's sadness, or at least not only about Larla's sadness (though mental health is also a public-health factor, just like covid). It's about Larla's education.

So you think that teachers should be treated like delivery people, truck drivers, or warehouse workers? None of those jobs require prolonged exposure to other people in a small enclosed space, day after day. None of those jobs require them to literally touch other people's bodily fluids, except home health aides. They also don't require any formal education at all. I'm sorry, I didn't work my way through undergrad and graduate school to be fold sweaters or stock shelves in a supermarket. Forgive all our student loans and just throw us in the building with the kids and I'll keep them alive, then. They can watch movies, color, whatever they want. Either I'm a babysitter or I'm an educator. I'm not both.

DP (and the one who said that other essential workers haven’t complained this way):

-There are many, many essential workers who absolutely are in small enclosed spaces with *other adults* (aka the ones most likely to spread COVID) all day
-Stop looking down on people who have less education than you
-You can’t teach people while providing care? Really? Inherent in the job of teaching children, especially young ones, is providing oversight. Is the issue that you think you’re better than a “babysitter”?
-I really hope you can develop more appreciation for the emotional work of teaching. Part of the reason I respect (some) teachers so highly is because they get how important their role is. They don’t haughtily describe themselves as “educators” only and ignore the very real emotional care they provide to children

And I only respect some parents. Some of them just can’t be bothered to do any work at all with their children (the majority of my class) and are angry that they’ve lost their free full time care. I don’t think they’re doing their job supporting the emotional or educational needs of their children, which is an enormous personal failure on their part. We absolutely will not be pushed back to the classroom under unsafe conditions. We’ve worked hard for our rights and we aren’t going to sacrifice them to make your life easier.
You assume that you can tell me that you don’t respect me, and then turn around and say that I don’t value other people’s work. You don’t see the irony there? Good luck treating teachers like they owe you a place to deposit your child 5 days a week during a pandemic. They don’t.

Not a teacher and I totally agree. I think the same people on here and on FB who bitch and moan about schools JUST HAVE to be open have the financial privilege and job security to keep their kids home but they just don't want bothered.

Seems pretty entitled on the part of a teacher to expect the parents to do a good part of their job, which is what it amounts to when you deal with young elementary students. The "virtual" teacher is pretty much useless, and what I am doing is homeschooling. And frankly, that's what I'll likely do if we have DL.

Yup, I’m expected to continue to perform all of my duties and responsibilities while working at home. I can’t tell someone else to pick up the slack.

That's what parenting is. You want a teacher to risk their life or the life of their family member so you can get your work done? What on earth is wrong with you people? Also keep in mind that teenagers are more like adults in their ability to catch and spread the illness so all the high school teachers are dealing with a different situation. Can't we just band together, do our best and thank our lucky effing stars that kids dont' seem to be dying of this?

DP. No, parenting does not require a willingness to homeschool, which doesn't work for most parents or kids. That's why we have public schools. Yes, I expect teachers to do their jobs, not primarily for my sake but for my kids' sake, for whom DL is a pale substitute to actual school. Unless, of course, the teachers are actually at high risk, in which case they should be offered the option to teach DL to those kids who are also high-risk, or whose parents have other reasons not to send them back. Or they should get retirement incentives, career change support, etc. But to expect that they should keep receiving the same benefits while parents serve as their substitutes or assistants is just entitled. It was fine for a few months while everyone was dumbfounded by an unexpected pandemic, but it is not fine for potentially another year or years. What on earth is wrong with you people thinking we could keep kids out of school for this long?

Parenting DOES require you to oftentimes experience trials or discomfort to assist them. That's the WHOLE job. No one doesn't expect teachers to do their jobs I just don't expect them to die for their jobs. Not wanting to die teaching is NOT entitled. Wanting people to potentially experience a life altering illness or die so your child doesn't miss one year of school is entitled - super entitled. Life is long, kids are adaptable (except for your little darlings apparently) if they need to repeat a year then they repeat a year. You get to have them home for another year before they go to college and save for another year. This is a global pandemic. If we don't get this right people, thousands will literally die. What on earth is wrong with you people thinking that your child's education is more important than someone else's life? Where is your soul?

You sound unhinged. You have literally zero evidence that "thousands will literally die" if we open schools. None of what we know so far points in that direction.

120,000 people in the United States have died of this disease WITH shelter in place and extreme mitigation employed. Yesterday there were over 38,000 new cases of the virus in our country alone. The virus doesn’t care about state borders. Some states are allowing the virus to spread rapidly, totally unchecked. This will inevitably lead to a surge in cases everywhere that those people travel-that’s how communicable diseases work. What other “evidence” do you need?

Evidence that CHILDREN actually spread the virus.

Sorry, but the burden of proof is on people who believe the children magically contract it but can’t spread it. You honestly think that at the school in Israel where 130 people (adults and students) tested positive that it was just adults spreading the virus around? That’s ludicrous.

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Yes teachers are just like doctors what with all the respect, support and money they get from society. Everyone wants someone else to make the sacrifice for them, but god forbid Larla has to be sad and her parents have to sacrifice for her.

I'd say teachers get more respect and money than supermarket workers. And yet the latter are doing their jobs despite some risk.

Retail workers, home health care aides, other medical workers who aren't doctors, bus drivers, delivery people, construction workers, truck drivers, warehouse workers, food manufacturing workers, building services workers, mail carriers...

And it's not about Larla's sadness, or at least not only about Larla's sadness (though mental health is also a public-health factor, just like covid). It's about Larla's education.

So you think that teachers should be treated like delivery people, truck drivers, or warehouse workers? None of those jobs require prolonged exposure to other people in a small enclosed space, day after day. None of those jobs require them to literally touch other people's bodily fluids, except home health aides. They also don't require any formal education at all. I'm sorry, I didn't work my way through undergrad and graduate school to be fold sweaters or stock shelves in a supermarket. Forgive all our student loans and just throw us in the building with the kids and I'll keep them alive, then. They can watch movies, color, whatever they want. Either I'm a babysitter or I'm an educator. I'm not both.

DP (and the one who said that other essential workers haven’t complained this way):

-There are many, many essential workers who absolutely are in small enclosed spaces with *other adults* (aka the ones most likely to spread COVID) all day
-Stop looking down on people who have less education than you
-You can’t teach people while providing care? Really? Inherent in the job of teaching children, especially young ones, is providing oversight. Is the issue that you think you’re better than a “babysitter”?
-I really hope you can develop more appreciation for the emotional work of teaching. Part of the reason I respect (some) teachers so highly is because they get how important their role is. They don’t haughtily describe themselves as “educators” only and ignore the very real emotional care they provide to children

And I only respect some parents. Some of them just can’t be bothered to do any work at all with their children (the majority of my class) and are angry that they’ve lost their free full time care. I don’t think they’re doing their job supporting the emotional or educational needs of their children, which is an enormous personal failure on their part. We absolutely will not be pushed back to the classroom under unsafe conditions. We’ve worked hard for our rights and we aren’t going to sacrifice them to make your life easier.
You assume that you can tell me that you don’t respect me, and then turn around and say that I don’t value other people’s work. You don’t see the irony there? Good luck treating teachers like they owe you a place to deposit your child 5 days a week during a pandemic. They don’t.

Not a teacher and I totally agree. I think the same people on here and on FB who bitch and moan about schools JUST HAVE to be open have the financial privilege and job security to keep their kids home but they just don't want bothered.

Seems pretty entitled on the part of a teacher to expect the parents to do a good part of their job, which is what it amounts to when you deal with young elementary students. The "virtual" teacher is pretty much useless, and what I am doing is homeschooling. And frankly, that's what I'll likely do if we have DL.

Yup, I’m expected to continue to perform all of my duties and responsibilities while working at home. I can’t tell someone else to pick up the slack.

That's what parenting is. You want a teacher to risk their life or the life of their family member so you can get your work done? What on earth is wrong with you people? Also keep in mind that teenagers are more like adults in their ability to catch and spread the illness so all the high school teachers are dealing with a different situation. Can't we just band together, do our best and thank our lucky effing stars that kids dont' seem to be dying of this?

DP. No, parenting does not require a willingness to homeschool, which doesn't work for most parents or kids. That's why we have public schools. Yes, I expect teachers to do their jobs, not primarily for my sake but for my kids' sake, for whom DL is a pale substitute to actual school. Unless, of course, the teachers are actually at high risk, in which case they should be offered the option to teach DL to those kids who are also high-risk, or whose parents have other reasons not to send them back. Or they should get retirement incentives, career change support, etc. But to expect that they should keep receiving the same benefits while parents serve as their substitutes or assistants is just entitled. It was fine for a few months while everyone was dumbfounded by an unexpected pandemic, but it is not fine for potentially another year or years. What on earth is wrong with you people thinking we could keep kids out of school for this long?

Parenting DOES require you to oftentimes experience trials or discomfort to assist them. That's the WHOLE job. No one doesn't expect teachers to do their jobs I just don't expect them to die for their jobs. Not wanting to die teaching is NOT entitled. Wanting people to potentially experience a life altering illness or die so your child doesn't miss one year of school is entitled - super entitled. Life is long, kids are adaptable (except for your little darlings apparently) if they need to repeat a year then they repeat a year. You get to have them home for another year before they go to college and save for another year. This is a global pandemic. If we don't get this right people, thousands will literally die. What on earth is wrong with you people thinking that your child's education is more important than someone else's life? Where is your soul?

You sound unhinged. You have literally zero evidence that "thousands will literally die" if we open schools. None of what we know so far points in that direction.

120,000 people in the United States have died of this disease WITH shelter in place and extreme mitigation employed. Yesterday there were over 38,000 new cases of the virus in our country alone. The virus doesn’t care about state borders. Some states are allowing the virus to spread rapidly, totally unchecked. This will inevitably lead to a surge in cases everywhere that those people travel-that’s how communicable diseases work. What other “evidence” do you need?

Evidence that CHILDREN actually spread the virus.

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Yes teachers are just like doctors what with all the respect, support and money they get from society. Everyone wants someone else to make the sacrifice for them, but god forbid Larla has to be sad and her parents have to sacrifice for her.

I'd say teachers get more respect and money than supermarket workers. And yet the latter are doing their jobs despite some risk.

Retail workers, home health care aides, other medical workers who aren't doctors, bus drivers, delivery people, construction workers, truck drivers, warehouse workers, food manufacturing workers, building services workers, mail carriers...

And it's not about Larla's sadness, or at least not only about Larla's sadness (though mental health is also a public-health factor, just like covid). It's about Larla's education.

So you think that teachers should be treated like delivery people, truck drivers, or warehouse workers? None of those jobs require prolonged exposure to other people in a small enclosed space, day after day. None of those jobs require them to literally touch other people's bodily fluids, except home health aides. They also don't require any formal education at all. I'm sorry, I didn't work my way through undergrad and graduate school to be fold sweaters or stock shelves in a supermarket. Forgive all our student loans and just throw us in the building with the kids and I'll keep them alive, then. They can watch movies, color, whatever they want. Either I'm a babysitter or I'm an educator. I'm not both.

DP (and the one who said that other essential workers haven’t complained this way):

-There are many, many essential workers who absolutely are in small enclosed spaces with *other adults* (aka the ones most likely to spread COVID) all day
-Stop looking down on people who have less education than you
-You can’t teach people while providing care? Really? Inherent in the job of teaching children, especially young ones, is providing oversight. Is the issue that you think you’re better than a “babysitter”?
-I really hope you can develop more appreciation for the emotional work of teaching. Part of the reason I respect (some) teachers so highly is because they get how important their role is. They don’t haughtily describe themselves as “educators” only and ignore the very real emotional care they provide to children

And I only respect some parents. Some of them just can’t be bothered to do any work at all with their children (the majority of my class) and are angry that they’ve lost their free full time care. I don’t think they’re doing their job supporting the emotional or educational needs of their children, which is an enormous personal failure on their part. We absolutely will not be pushed back to the classroom under unsafe conditions. We’ve worked hard for our rights and we aren’t going to sacrifice them to make your life easier.
You assume that you can tell me that you don’t respect me, and then turn around and say that I don’t value other people’s work. You don’t see the irony there? Good luck treating teachers like they owe you a place to deposit your child 5 days a week during a pandemic. They don’t.

Not a teacher and I totally agree. I think the same people on here and on FB who bitch and moan about schools JUST HAVE to be open have the financial privilege and job security to keep their kids home but they just don't want bothered.

Seems pretty entitled on the part of a teacher to expect the parents to do a good part of their job, which is what it amounts to when you deal with young elementary students. The "virtual" teacher is pretty much useless, and what I am doing is homeschooling. And frankly, that's what I'll likely do if we have DL.

Yup, I’m expected to continue to perform all of my duties and responsibilities while working at home. I can’t tell someone else to pick up the slack.

That's what parenting is. You want a teacher to risk their life or the life of their family member so you can get your work done? What on earth is wrong with you people? Also keep in mind that teenagers are more like adults in their ability to catch and spread the illness so all the high school teachers are dealing with a different situation. Can't we just band together, do our best and thank our lucky effing stars that kids dont' seem to be dying of this?

DP. No, parenting does not require a willingness to homeschool, which doesn't work for most parents or kids. That's why we have public schools. Yes, I expect teachers to do their jobs, not primarily for my sake but for my kids' sake, for whom DL is a pale substitute to actual school. Unless, of course, the teachers are actually at high risk, in which case they should be offered the option to teach DL to those kids who are also high-risk, or whose parents have other reasons not to send them back. Or they should get retirement incentives, career change support, etc. But to expect that they should keep receiving the same benefits while parents serve as their substitutes or assistants is just entitled. It was fine for a few months while everyone was dumbfounded by an unexpected pandemic, but it is not fine for potentially another year or years. What on earth is wrong with you people thinking we could keep kids out of school for this long?

I don’t think anything on earth is wrong with them. There is no country on earth with case numbers like ours that is reopening its schools. This is not just some crazy idea that DCUM moms had.

You need to look at the stats by state/region, not the country overall. Our bad numbers are not been driven by Md/the DC areas, where

the numbers are improving and the curve is flattened.

Nope, not anymore and going to get much worse over the coming months.

What do you mean not anymore? The numbers have consistently been improving nearly every day and if not improving-staying stable. I'm not sure what "data" you are looking at but the data for this area is moving in a good direction. And we literally have no idea if we will have a second surge or not-nobody does.

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Yes teachers are just like doctors what with all the respect, support and money they get from society. Everyone wants someone else to make the sacrifice for them, but god forbid Larla has to be sad and her parents have to sacrifice for her.

I'd say teachers get more respect and money than supermarket workers. And yet the latter are doing their jobs despite some risk.

Retail workers, home health care aides, other medical workers who aren't doctors, bus drivers, delivery people, construction workers, truck drivers, warehouse workers, food manufacturing workers, building services workers, mail carriers...

And it's not about Larla's sadness, or at least not only about Larla's sadness (though mental health is also a public-health factor, just like covid). It's about Larla's education.

So you think that teachers should be treated like delivery people, truck drivers, or warehouse workers? None of those jobs require prolonged exposure to other people in a small enclosed space, day after day. None of those jobs require them to literally touch other people's bodily fluids, except home health aides. They also don't require any formal education at all. I'm sorry, I didn't work my way through undergrad and graduate school to be fold sweaters or stock shelves in a supermarket. Forgive all our student loans and just throw us in the building with the kids and I'll keep them alive, then. They can watch movies, color, whatever they want. Either I'm a babysitter or I'm an educator. I'm not both.

DP (and the one who said that other essential workers haven’t complained this way):

-There are many, many essential workers who absolutely are in small enclosed spaces with *other adults* (aka the ones most likely to spread COVID) all day
-Stop looking down on people who have less education than you
-You can’t teach people while providing care? Really? Inherent in the job of teaching children, especially young ones, is providing oversight. Is the issue that you think you’re better than a “babysitter”?
-I really hope you can develop more appreciation for the emotional work of teaching. Part of the reason I respect (some) teachers so highly is because they get how important their role is. They don’t haughtily describe themselves as “educators” only and ignore the very real emotional care they provide to children

And I only respect some parents. Some of them just can’t be bothered to do any work at all with their children (the majority of my class) and are angry that they’ve lost their free full time care. I don’t think they’re doing their job supporting the emotional or educational needs of their children, which is an enormous personal failure on their part. We absolutely will not be pushed back to the classroom under unsafe conditions. We’ve worked hard for our rights and we aren’t going to sacrifice them to make your life easier.
You assume that you can tell me that you don’t respect me, and then turn around and say that I don’t value other people’s work. You don’t see the irony there? Good luck treating teachers like they owe you a place to deposit your child 5 days a week during a pandemic. They don’t.

Not a teacher and I totally agree. I think the same people on here and on FB who bitch and moan about schools JUST HAVE to be open have the financial privilege and job security to keep their kids home but they just don't want bothered.

Seems pretty entitled on the part of a teacher to expect the parents to do a good part of their job, which is what it amounts to when you deal with young elementary students. The "virtual" teacher is pretty much useless, and what I am doing is homeschooling. And frankly, that's what I'll likely do if we have DL.

Yup, I’m expected to continue to perform all of my duties and responsibilities while working at home. I can’t tell someone else to pick up the slack.

That's what parenting is. You want a teacher to risk their life or the life of their family member so you can get your work done? What on earth is wrong with you people? Also keep in mind that teenagers are more like adults in their ability to catch and spread the illness so all the high school teachers are dealing with a different situation. Can't we just band together, do our best and thank our lucky effing stars that kids dont' seem to be dying of this?

DP. No, parenting does not require a willingness to homeschool, which doesn't work for most parents or kids. That's why we have public schools. Yes, I expect teachers to do their jobs, not primarily for my sake but for my kids' sake, for whom DL is a pale substitute to actual school. Unless, of course, the teachers are actually at high risk, in which case they should be offered the option to teach DL to those kids who are also high-risk, or whose parents have other reasons not to send them back. Or they should get retirement incentives, career change support, etc. But to expect that they should keep receiving the same benefits while parents serve as their substitutes or assistants is just entitled. It was fine for a few months while everyone was dumbfounded by an unexpected pandemic, but it is not fine for potentially another year or years. What on earth is wrong with you people thinking we could keep kids out of school for this long?

Parenting DOES require you to oftentimes experience trials or discomfort to assist them. That's the WHOLE job. No one doesn't expect teachers to do their jobs I just don't expect them to die for their jobs. Not wanting to die teaching is NOT entitled. Wanting people to potentially experience a life altering illness or die so your child doesn't miss one year of school is entitled - super entitled. Life is long, kids are adaptable (except for your little darlings apparently) if they need to repeat a year then they repeat a year. You get to have them home for another year before they go to college and save for another year. This is a global pandemic. If we don't get this right people, thousands will literally die. What on earth is wrong with you people thinking that your child's education is more important than someone else's life? Where is your soul?

You sound unhinged. You have literally zero evidence that "thousands will literally die" if we open schools. None of what we know so far points in that direction.

120,000 people in the United States have died of this disease WITH shelter in place and extreme mitigation employed. Yesterday there were over 38,000 new cases of the virus in our country alone. The virus doesn’t care about state borders. Some states are allowing the virus to spread rapidly, totally unchecked. This will inevitably lead to a surge in cases everywhere that those people travel-that’s how communicable diseases work. What other “evidence” do you need?

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Yes teachers are just like doctors what with all the respect, support and money they get from society. Everyone wants someone else to make the sacrifice for them, but god forbid Larla has to be sad and her parents have to sacrifice for her.

I'd say teachers get more respect and money than supermarket workers. And yet the latter are doing their jobs despite some risk.

Retail workers, home health care aides, other medical workers who aren't doctors, bus drivers, delivery people, construction workers, truck drivers, warehouse workers, food manufacturing workers, building services workers, mail carriers...

And it's not about Larla's sadness, or at least not only about Larla's sadness (though mental health is also a public-health factor, just like covid). It's about Larla's education.

So you think that teachers should be treated like delivery people, truck drivers, or warehouse workers? None of those jobs require prolonged exposure to other people in a small enclosed space, day after day. None of those jobs require them to literally touch other people's bodily fluids, except home health aides. They also don't require any formal education at all. I'm sorry, I didn't work my way through undergrad and graduate school to be fold sweaters or stock shelves in a supermarket. Forgive all our student loans and just throw us in the building with the kids and I'll keep them alive, then. They can watch movies, color, whatever they want. Either I'm a babysitter or I'm an educator. I'm not both.

DP (and the one who said that other essential workers haven’t complained this way):

-There are many, many essential workers who absolutely are in small enclosed spaces with *other adults* (aka the ones most likely to spread COVID) all day
-Stop looking down on people who have less education than you
-You can’t teach people while providing care? Really? Inherent in the job of teaching children, especially young ones, is providing oversight. Is the issue that you think you’re better than a “babysitter”?
-I really hope you can develop more appreciation for the emotional work of teaching. Part of the reason I respect (some) teachers so highly is because they get how important their role is. They don’t haughtily describe themselves as “educators” only and ignore the very real emotional care they provide to children

And I only respect some parents. Some of them just can’t be bothered to do any work at all with their children (the majority of my class) and are angry that they’ve lost their free full time care. I don’t think they’re doing their job supporting the emotional or educational needs of their children, which is an enormous personal failure on their part. We absolutely will not be pushed back to the classroom under unsafe conditions. We’ve worked hard for our rights and we aren’t going to sacrifice them to make your life easier.
You assume that you can tell me that you don’t respect me, and then turn around and say that I don’t value other people’s work. You don’t see the irony there? Good luck treating teachers like they owe you a place to deposit your child 5 days a week during a pandemic. They don’t.

Not a teacher and I totally agree. I think the same people on here and on FB who bitch and moan about schools JUST HAVE to be open have the financial privilege and job security to keep their kids home but they just don't want bothered.

Seems pretty entitled on the part of a teacher to expect the parents to do a good part of their job, which is what it amounts to when you deal with young elementary students. The "virtual" teacher is pretty much useless, and what I am doing is homeschooling. And frankly, that's what I'll likely do if we have DL.

Yup, I’m expected to continue to perform all of my duties and responsibilities while working at home. I can’t tell someone else to pick up the slack.

That's what parenting is. You want a teacher to risk their life or the life of their family member so you can get your work done? What on earth is wrong with you people? Also keep in mind that teenagers are more like adults in their ability to catch and spread the illness so all the high school teachers are dealing with a different situation. Can't we just band together, do our best and thank our lucky effing stars that kids dont' seem to be dying of this?

DP. No, parenting does not require a willingness to homeschool, which doesn't work for most parents or kids. That's why we have public schools. Yes, I expect teachers to do their jobs, not primarily for my sake but for my kids' sake, for whom DL is a pale substitute to actual school. Unless, of course, the teachers are actually at high risk, in which case they should be offered the option to teach DL to those kids who are also high-risk, or whose parents have other reasons not to send them back. Or they should get retirement incentives, career change support, etc. But to expect that they should keep receiving the same benefits while parents serve as their substitutes or assistants is just entitled. It was fine for a few months while everyone was dumbfounded by an unexpected pandemic, but it is not fine for potentially another year or years. What on earth is wrong with you people thinking we could keep kids out of school for this long?

Parenting DOES require you to oftentimes experience trials or discomfort to assist them. That's the WHOLE job. No one doesn't expect teachers to do their jobs I just don't expect them to die for their jobs. Not wanting to die teaching is NOT entitled. Wanting people to potentially experience a life altering illness or die so your child doesn't miss one year of school is entitled - super entitled. Life is long, kids are adaptable (except for your little darlings apparently) if they need to repeat a year then they repeat a year. You get to have them home for another year before they go to college and save for another year. This is a global pandemic. If we don't get this right people, thousands will literally die. What on earth is wrong with you people thinking that your child's education is more important than someone else's life? Where is your soul?

You sound unhinged. You have literally zero evidence that "thousands will literally die" if we open schools. None of what we know so far points in that direction.

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They surveyed parents and found that lower income parents were less likely to want face to face instruction for the fall. It is actually YOU who is disrespecting people who are lower SES by telling them what they want and need. You're entitled to act like a white savior, but you can't expect that anyone will respect you for it.

Things I've heard parents on here saying: "I just want to be able to telework productively", "MY child will be showing up at school in the fall without a mask to receive their free and appropriate public education", "Fire all the teachers and replace them with all the millions of smart unemployed people who would be happy to take their jobs", "Teachers need to start doing their part and sacrificing during the pandemic", "I should be paid to help my child with their school work", "We should get our taxes back because DL is a failure", "Teachers are whiners"

A lot of the parents in my class don't work in any capacity. I don't know their life story-whatever they do to make ends meet isn't my concern. But don't try to tell me that you speak for the working class.

You know, I've read probably every post on this topic on this forum (because I'm a masochist that way), and I don't think there has been even one instance of anybody saying that.

I mean, there are certainly the "if you wear a mask, you will suffocate on your own carbon dioxide" cranks, but they don't support school without masks; they support keeping schools closed. There are also the "Kids can't/won't wear masks because [reasons]" people, but they support keeping schools closed too.

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Parenting DOES require you to oftentimes experience trials or discomfort to assist them. That's the WHOLE job. No one doesn't expect teachers to do their jobs I just don't expect them to die for their jobs. Not wanting to die teaching is NOT entitled. Wanting people to potentially experience a life altering illness or die so your child doesn't miss one year of school is entitled - super entitled. Life is long, kids are adaptable (except for your little darlings apparently) if they need to repeat a year then they repeat a year. You get to have them home for another year before they go to college and save for another year. This is a global pandemic. If we don't get this right people, thousands will literally die. What on earth is wrong with you people thinking that your child's education is more important than someone else's life? Where is your soul?

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They surveyed parents and found that lower income parents were less likely to want face to face instruction for the fall. It is actually YOU who is disrespecting people who are lower SES by telling them what they want and need. You're entitled to act like a white savior, but you can't expect that anyone will respect you for it.

Things I've heard parents on here saying: "I just want to be able to telework productively", "MY child will be showing up at school in the fall without a mask to receive their free and appropriate public education", "Fire all the teachers and replace them with all the millions of smart unemployed people who would be happy to take their jobs", "Teachers need to start doing their part and sacrificing during the pandemic", "I should be paid to help my child with their school work", "We should get our taxes back because DL is a failure", "Teachers are whiners"

A lot of the parents in my class don't work in any capacity. I don't know their life story-whatever they do to make ends meet isn't my concern. But don't try to tell me that you speak for the working class.

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Yes teachers are just like doctors what with all the respect, support and money they get from society. Everyone wants someone else to make the sacrifice for them, but god forbid Larla has to be sad and her parents have to sacrifice for her.

I'd say teachers get more respect and money than supermarket workers. And yet the latter are doing their jobs despite some risk.

Retail workers, home health care aides, other medical workers who aren't doctors, bus drivers, delivery people, construction workers, truck drivers, warehouse workers, food manufacturing workers, building services workers, mail carriers...

And it's not about Larla's sadness, or at least not only about Larla's sadness (though mental health is also a public-health factor, just like covid). It's about Larla's education.

So you think that teachers should be treated like delivery people, truck drivers, or warehouse workers? None of those jobs require prolonged exposure to other people in a small enclosed space, day after day. None of those jobs require them to literally touch other people's bodily fluids, except home health aides. They also don't require any formal education at all. I'm sorry, I didn't work my way through undergrad and graduate school to be fold sweaters or stock shelves in a supermarket. Forgive all our student loans and just throw us in the building with the kids and I'll keep them alive, then. They can watch movies, color, whatever they want. Either I'm a babysitter or I'm an educator. I'm not both.

DP (and the one who said that other essential workers haven’t complained this way):

-There are many, many essential workers who absolutely are in small enclosed spaces with *other adults* (aka the ones most likely to spread COVID) all day
-Stop looking down on people who have less education than you
-You can’t teach people while providing care? Really? Inherent in the job of teaching children, especially young ones, is providing oversight. Is the issue that you think you’re better than a “babysitter”?
-I really hope you can develop more appreciation for the emotional work of teaching. Part of the reason I respect (some) teachers so highly is because they get how important their role is. They don’t haughtily describe themselves as “educators” only and ignore the very real emotional care they provide to children

And I only respect some parents. Some of them just can’t be bothered to do any work at all with their children (the majority of my class) and are angry that they’ve lost their free full time care. I don’t think they’re doing their job supporting the emotional or educational needs of their children, which is an enormous personal failure on their part. We absolutely will not be pushed back to the classroom under unsafe conditions. We’ve worked hard for our rights and we aren’t going to sacrifice them to make your life easier.
You assume that you can tell me that you don’t respect me, and then turn around and say that I don’t value other people’s work. You don’t see the irony there? Good luck treating teachers like they owe you a place to deposit your child 5 days a week during a pandemic. They don’t.

Not a teacher and I totally agree. I think the same people on here and on FB who bitch and moan about schools JUST HAVE to be open have the financial privilege and job security to keep their kids home but they just don't want bothered.

Seems pretty entitled on the part of a teacher to expect the parents to do a good part of their job, which is what it amounts to when you deal with young elementary students. The "virtual" teacher is pretty much useless, and what I am doing is homeschooling. And frankly, that's what I'll likely do if we have DL.

Yup, I’m expected to continue to perform all of my duties and responsibilities while working at home. I can’t tell someone else to pick up the slack.

That's what parenting is. You want a teacher to risk their life or the life of their family member so you can get your work done? What on earth is wrong with you people? Also keep in mind that teenagers are more like adults in their ability to catch and spread the illness so all the high school teachers are dealing with a different situation. Can't we just band together, do our best and thank our lucky effing stars that kids dont' seem to be dying of this?

DP. No, parenting does not require a willingness to homeschool, which doesn't work for most parents or kids. That's why we have public schools. Yes, I expect teachers to do their jobs, not primarily for my sake but for my kids' sake, for whom DL is a pale substitute to actual school. Unless, of course, the teachers are actually at high risk, in which case they should be offered the option to teach DL to those kids who are also high-risk, or whose parents have other reasons not to send them back. Or they should get retirement incentives, career change support, etc. But to expect that they should keep receiving the same benefits while parents serve as their substitutes or assistants is just entitled. It was fine for a few months while everyone was dumbfounded by an unexpected pandemic, but it is not fine for potentially another year or years. What on earth is wrong with you people thinking we could keep kids out of school for this long?

Parenting DOES require you to oftentimes experience trials or discomfort to assist them. That's the WHOLE job. No one doesn't expect teachers to do their jobs I just don't expect them to die for their jobs. Not wanting to die teaching is NOT entitled. Wanting people to potentially experience a life altering illness or die so your child doesn't miss one year of school is entitled - super entitled. Life is long, kids are adaptable (except for your little darlings apparently) if they need to repeat a year then they repeat a year. You get to have them home for another year before they go to college and save for another year. This is a global pandemic. If we don't get this right people, thousands will literally die. What on earth is wrong with you people thinking that your child's education is more important than someone else's life? Where is your soul?

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Yes teachers are just like doctors what with all the respect, support and money they get from society. Everyone wants someone else to make the sacrifice for them, but god forbid Larla has to be sad and her parents have to sacrifice for her.

I'd say teachers get more respect and money than supermarket workers. And yet the latter are doing their jobs despite some risk.

Retail workers, home health care aides, other medical workers who aren't doctors, bus drivers, delivery people, construction workers, truck drivers, warehouse workers, food manufacturing workers, building services workers, mail carriers...

And it's not about Larla's sadness, or at least not only about Larla's sadness (though mental health is also a public-health factor, just like covid). It's about Larla's education.

So you think that teachers should be treated like delivery people, truck drivers, or warehouse workers? None of those jobs require prolonged exposure to other people in a small enclosed space, day after day. None of those jobs require them to literally touch other people's bodily fluids, except home health aides. They also don't require any formal education at all. I'm sorry, I didn't work my way through undergrad and graduate school to be fold sweaters or stock shelves in a supermarket. Forgive all our student loans and just throw us in the building with the kids and I'll keep them alive, then. They can watch movies, color, whatever they want. Either I'm a babysitter or I'm an educator. I'm not both.

DP (and the one who said that other essential workers haven’t complained this way):

-There are many, many essential workers who absolutely are in small enclosed spaces with *other adults* (aka the ones most likely to spread COVID) all day
-Stop looking down on people who have less education than you
-You can’t teach people while providing care? Really? Inherent in the job of teaching children, especially young ones, is providing oversight. Is the issue that you think you’re better than a “babysitter”?
-I really hope you can develop more appreciation for the emotional work of teaching. Part of the reason I respect (some) teachers so highly is because they get how important their role is. They don’t haughtily describe themselves as “educators” only and ignore the very real emotional care they provide to children

And I only respect some parents. Some of them just can’t be bothered to do any work at all with their children (the majority of my class) and are angry that they’ve lost their free full time care. I don’t think they’re doing their job supporting the emotional or educational needs of their children, which is an enormous personal failure on their part. We absolutely will not be pushed back to the classroom under unsafe conditions. We’ve worked hard for our rights and we aren’t going to sacrifice them to make your life easier.
You assume that you can tell me that you don’t respect me, and then turn around and say that I don’t value other people’s work. You don’t see the irony there? Good luck treating teachers like they owe you a place to deposit your child 5 days a week during a pandemic. They don’t.

Not a teacher and I totally agree. I think the same people on here and on FB who bitch and moan about schools JUST HAVE to be open have the financial privilege and job security to keep their kids home but they just don't want bothered.

Seems pretty entitled on the part of a teacher to expect the parents to do a good part of their job, which is what it amounts to when you deal with young elementary students. The "virtual" teacher is pretty much useless, and what I am doing is homeschooling. And frankly, that's what I'll likely do if we have DL.

Yup, I’m expected to continue to perform all of my duties and responsibilities while working at home. I can’t tell someone else to pick up the slack.

That's what parenting is. You want a teacher to risk their life or the life of their family member so you can get your work done? What on earth is wrong with you people? Also keep in mind that teenagers are more like adults in their ability to catch and spread the illness so all the high school teachers are dealing with a different situation. Can't we just band together, do our best and thank our lucky effing stars that kids dont' seem to be dying of this?

DP. No, parenting does not require a willingness to homeschool, which doesn't work for most parents or kids. That's why we have public schools. Yes, I expect teachers to do their jobs, not primarily for my sake but for my kids' sake, for whom DL is a pale substitute to actual school. Unless, of course, the teachers are actually at high risk, in which case they should be offered the option to teach DL to those kids who are also high-risk, or whose parents have other reasons not to send them back. Or they should get retirement incentives, career change support, etc. But to expect that they should keep receiving the same benefits while parents serve as their substitutes or assistants is just entitled. It was fine for a few months while everyone was dumbfounded by an unexpected pandemic, but it is not fine for potentially another year or years. What on earth is wrong with you people thinking we could keep kids out of school for this long?

Parenting DOES require you to oftentimes experience trials or discomfort to assist them. That's the WHOLE job. No one doesn't expect teachers to do their jobs I just don't expect them to die for their jobs. Not wanting to die teaching is NOT entitled. Wanting people to potentially experience a life altering illness or die so your child doesn't miss one year of school is entitled - super entitled. Life is long, kids are adaptable (except for your little darlings apparently) if they need to repeat a year then they repeat a year. You get to have them home for another year before they go to college and save for another year. This is a global pandemic. If we don't get this right people, thousands will literally die. What on earth is wrong with you people thinking that your child's education is more important than someone else's life? Where is your soul?

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Yes teachers are just like doctors what with all the respect, support and money they get from society. Everyone wants someone else to make the sacrifice for them, but god forbid Larla has to be sad and her parents have to sacrifice for her.

I'd say teachers get more respect and money than supermarket workers. And yet the latter are doing their jobs despite some risk.

Retail workers, home health care aides, other medical workers who aren't doctors, bus drivers, delivery people, construction workers, truck drivers, warehouse workers, food manufacturing workers, building services workers, mail carriers...

And it's not about Larla's sadness, or at least not only about Larla's sadness (though mental health is also a public-health factor, just like covid). It's about Larla's education.

So you think that teachers should be treated like delivery people, truck drivers, or warehouse workers? None of those jobs require prolonged exposure to other people in a small enclosed space, day after day. None of those jobs require them to literally touch other people's bodily fluids, except home health aides. They also don't require any formal education at all. I'm sorry, I didn't work my way through undergrad and graduate school to be fold sweaters or stock shelves in a supermarket. Forgive all our student loans and just throw us in the building with the kids and I'll keep them alive, then. They can watch movies, color, whatever they want. Either I'm a babysitter or I'm an educator. I'm not both.

DP (and the one who said that other essential workers haven’t complained this way):

-There are many, many essential workers who absolutely are in small enclosed spaces with *other adults* (aka the ones most likely to spread COVID) all day
-Stop looking down on people who have less education than you
-You can’t teach people while providing care? Really? Inherent in the job of teaching children, especially young ones, is providing oversight. Is the issue that you think you’re better than a “babysitter”?
-I really hope you can develop more appreciation for the emotional work of teaching. Part of the reason I respect (some) teachers so highly is because they get how important their role is. They don’t haughtily describe themselves as “educators” only and ignore the very real emotional care they provide to children

And I only respect some parents. Some of them just can’t be bothered to do any work at all with their children (the majority of my class) and are angry that they’ve lost their free full time care. I don’t think they’re doing their job supporting the emotional or educational needs of their children, which is an enormous personal failure on their part. We absolutely will not be pushed back to the classroom under unsafe conditions. We’ve worked hard for our rights and we aren’t going to sacrifice them to make your life easier.
You assume that you can tell me that you don’t respect me, and then turn around and say that I don’t value other people’s work. You don’t see the irony there? Good luck treating teachers like they owe you a place to deposit your child 5 days a week during a pandemic. They don’t.

Not a teacher and I totally agree. I think the same people on here and on FB who bitch and moan about schools JUST HAVE to be open have the financial privilege and job security to keep their kids home but they just don't want bothered.

Seems pretty entitled on the part of a teacher to expect the parents to do a good part of their job, which is what it amounts to when you deal with young elementary students. The "virtual" teacher is pretty much useless, and what I am doing is homeschooling. And frankly, that's what I'll likely do if we have DL.

Yup, I’m expected to continue to perform all of my duties and responsibilities while working at home. I can’t tell someone else to pick up the slack.

That's what parenting is. You want a teacher to risk their life or the life of their family member so you can get your work done? What on earth is wrong with you people? Also keep in mind that teenagers are more like adults in their ability to catch and spread the illness so all the high school teachers are dealing with a different situation. Can't we just band together, do our best and thank our lucky effing stars that kids dont' seem to be dying of this?

DP. No, parenting does not require a willingness to homeschool, which doesn't work for most parents or kids. That's why we have public schools. Yes, I expect teachers to do their jobs, not primarily for my sake but for my kids' sake, for whom DL is a pale substitute to actual school. Unless, of course, the teachers are actually at high risk, in which case they should be offered the option to teach DL to those kids who are also high-risk, or whose parents have other reasons not to send them back. Or they should get retirement incentives, career change support, etc. But to expect that they should keep receiving the same benefits while parents serve as their substitutes or assistants is just entitled. It was fine for a few months while everyone was dumbfounded by an unexpected pandemic, but it is not fine for potentially another year or years. What on earth is wrong with you people thinking we could keep kids out of school for this long?

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Yes teachers are just like doctors what with all the respect, support and money they get from society. Everyone wants someone else to make the sacrifice for them, but god forbid Larla has to be sad and her parents have to sacrifice for her.

I'd say teachers get more respect and money than supermarket workers. And yet the latter are doing their jobs despite some risk.

Retail workers, home health care aides, other medical workers who aren't doctors, bus drivers, delivery people, construction workers, truck drivers, warehouse workers, food manufacturing workers, building services workers, mail carriers...

And it's not about Larla's sadness, or at least not only about Larla's sadness (though mental health is also a public-health factor, just like covid). It's about Larla's education.

So you think that teachers should be treated like delivery people, truck drivers, or warehouse workers? None of those jobs require prolonged exposure to other people in a small enclosed space, day after day. None of those jobs require them to literally touch other people's bodily fluids, except home health aides. They also don't require any formal education at all. I'm sorry, I didn't work my way through undergrad and graduate school to be fold sweaters or stock shelves in a supermarket. Forgive all our student loans and just throw us in the building with the kids and I'll keep them alive, then. They can watch movies, color, whatever they want. Either I'm a babysitter or I'm an educator. I'm not both.

DP (and the one who said that other essential workers haven’t complained this way):

-There are many, many essential workers who absolutely are in small enclosed spaces with *other adults* (aka the ones most likely to spread COVID) all day
-Stop looking down on people who have less education than you
-You can’t teach people while providing care? Really? Inherent in the job of teaching children, especially young ones, is providing oversight. Is the issue that you think you’re better than a “babysitter”?
-I really hope you can develop more appreciation for the emotional work of teaching. Part of the reason I respect (some) teachers so highly is because they get how important their role is. They don’t haughtily describe themselves as “educators” only and ignore the very real emotional care they provide to children

And I only respect some parents. Some of them just can’t be bothered to do any work at all with their children (the majority of my class) and are angry that they’ve lost their free full time care. I don’t think they’re doing their job supporting the emotional or educational needs of their children, which is an enormous personal failure on their part. We absolutely will not be pushed back to the classroom under unsafe conditions. We’ve worked hard for our rights and we aren’t going to sacrifice them to make your life easier.
You assume that you can tell me that you don’t respect me, and then turn around and say that I don’t value other people’s work. You don’t see the irony there? Good luck treating teachers like they owe you a place to deposit your child 5 days a week during a pandemic. They don’t.

Not a teacher and I totally agree. I think the same people on here and on FB who bitch and moan about schools JUST HAVE to be open have the financial privilege and job security to keep their kids home but they just don't want bothered.

Seems pretty entitled on the part of a teacher to expect the parents to do a good part of their job, which is what it amounts to when you deal with young elementary students. The "virtual" teacher is pretty much useless, and what I am doing is homeschooling. And frankly, that's what I'll likely do if we have DL.

Yup, I’m expected to continue to perform all of my duties and responsibilities while working at home. I can’t tell someone else to pick up the slack.

That's what parenting is. You want a teacher to risk their life or the life of their family member so you can get your work done? What on earth is wrong with you people? Also keep in mind that teenagers are more like adults in their ability to catch and spread the illness so all the high school teachers are dealing with a different situation. Can't we just band together, do our best and thank our lucky effing stars that kids dont' seem to be dying of this?

DP. No, parenting does not require a willingness to homeschool, which doesn't work for most parents or kids. That's why we have public schools. Yes, I expect teachers to do their jobs, not primarily for my sake but for my kids' sake, for whom DL is a pale substitute to actual school. Unless, of course, the teachers are actually at high risk, in which case they should be offered the option to teach DL to those kids who are also high-risk, or whose parents have other reasons not to send them back. Or they should get retirement incentives, career change support, etc. But to expect that they should keep receiving the same benefits while parents serve as their substitutes or assistants is just entitled. It was fine for a few months while everyone was dumbfounded by an unexpected pandemic, but it is not fine for potentially another year or years. What on earth is wrong with you people thinking we could keep kids out of school for this long?

I don’t think anything on earth is wrong with them. There is no country on earth with case numbers like ours that is reopening its schools. This is not just some crazy idea that DCUM moms had.

You need to look at the stats by state/region, not the country overall. Our bad numbers are not been driven by Md/the DC areas, where

the numbers are improving and the curve is flattened.

Nope, not anymore and going to get much worse over the coming months.