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Anonymous wrote:It's not just the slum lords.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/baltimore-public-housing-workers-demanded-sex-repairs-lawsuit-alleges-n492161

The entire system is corrupt from top to bottom. There are some good people, trying to do good things. And they're surrounded by people doing whatever they can to get whatever they can.

This. The corruption is massive. What exactly has happened to all of the gazillions of cash Baltimore got???

Which gazillions would that be?

Dp. FFS. The amount of grants and HUD funding allocated to his district has been widely reported this week. Use your neighbor's "google machine" as Joe Scarborough is fond of saying using a put-on Southern accent insinuating Southerners don't have access to a computer nor smart phone. Arguing over semantics instead of why the city has not received any oversight attention is avoids the issue. Save your smart-a$$ comments for the general. Your gonna need them.

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Anonymous wrote:Trump is a racist, and an all around terrible human being. Period.

But, Baltimore is not perfect. In fact, the city has suffered for decades. Decades. The corruption there is on par with Chicago and Puerto Rico. The schools are awful, crime is off the charts, and generations of poor people have been left behind.

I wish we could agree that Trump's comments were terrible, AND agree that Baltimore is similarly terrible and in need of scrutiny and overhaul...rather than have the PC knee jerk reaction of defending a city that so clearly needs better leadership.

I agree that Trump is terrible and Baltimore needs better governance. It is not lack of money, it is lack of leaders who use the money where needed.

Don’t want Trump to besmirch the poor blacks of Baltimore? Take away the reasons

Why just Baltimore, though? Why not St. Louis, or Memphis, or New Orleans?

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Anonymous wrote:It's not just the slum lords.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/baltimore-public-housing-workers-demanded-sex-repairs-lawsuit-alleges-n492161

The entire system is corrupt from top to bottom. There are some good people, trying to do good things. And they're surrounded by people doing whatever they can to get whatever they can.

This. The corruption is massive. What exactly has happened to all of the gazillions of cash Baltimore got???

Which gazillions would that be?

The city (and its residents) gets a couple billion in aid each year. The vast majority is related to housing subsidies. In terms of direct payments to city hall, the number is on the order of hundred of millions.

Other billions are SS/Medicare, billions to JHU etc, the same stuff that people calculate when saying red states are a net drain.

How much cash goes to the people of Baltimore City, is the question.

There were news reports on it after the riots. Very little of the money actually makes it to the people of Baltimore City. This is the problem with a lot of government (and private) investment. It goes into overhead. There's been a not insignificant amount of money intended for Sandtown-Winchester over the past decade+, and nothing changes. Not because no money is allocated, but because once the "helping" organizations consume the money, very little is left for actually doing things.

This is not unique to Baltimore. Baltimore does, however, have a level of corruption that seems higher than other places I have lived. It's possible that's because other places I have lived have hid it better. Or it's possible Baltimore's been dealing with its problems for so long, it seems normal to take what you can, when you can, because how else are you going to possibly come out ahead?

Like Detroit, Baltimore proactively recruited poor African Americans from the south as cheap labor in factories as the immigrants who previously provided labor prospered, moved out to the burbs, and started their own businesses. Then the factories closed, and cities like Baltimore were left with a disproportionate number of poorly educated, unemployed AAs. Add drugs, criminalization and family dysfunction to the mix, and you get generational poverty. And let's not forget structural racism.

I love Baltimore. My mom was born and raised in the city. Her parents were born and raised there. Her 4 grandparents landed in Baltimore as older teens/young adults when they came over from Eastern Europe. And I lived there while in law school. But the city has big problems that won't be magically solved with a great mayor or more money. Complex societal issues like generational poverty and the related problems require multifaceted interventions. And even then, you can't legislate a solution to family dysfunction and bad family planning---even if you have excellent schools, affordable housing and a living wage (Baltimore doesn't have that unicorn trifecta BTW). Once you've abandoned the people and allowed a new subcultural norm to take hold, it's not easy to correct it.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's not just the slum lords.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/baltimore-public-housing-workers-demanded-sex-repairs-lawsuit-alleges-n492161

The entire system is corrupt from top to bottom. There are some good people, trying to do good things. And they're surrounded by people doing whatever they can to get whatever they can.

This. The corruption is massive. What exactly has happened to all of the gazillions of cash Baltimore got???

Which gazillions would that be?

The city (and its residents) gets a couple billion in aid each year. The vast majority is related to housing subsidies. In terms of direct payments to city hall, the number is on the order of hundred of millions.

Other billions are SS/Medicare, billions to JHU etc, the same stuff that people calculate when saying red states are a net drain.

How much cash goes to the people of Baltimore City, is the question.

There were news reports on it after the riots. Very little of the money actually makes it to the people of Baltimore City. This is the problem with a lot of government (and private) investment. It goes into overhead. There's been a not insignificant amount of money intended for Sandtown-Winchester over the past decade+, and nothing changes. Not because no money is allocated, but because once the "helping" organizations consume the money, very little is left for actually doing things.

This is not unique to Baltimore. Baltimore does, however, have a level of corruption that seems higher than other places I have lived. It's possible that's because other places I have lived have hid it better. Or it's possible Baltimore's been dealing with its problems for so long, it seems normal to take what you can, when you can, because how else are you going to possibly come out ahead?

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Anonymous wrote:Interesting that in this terrible place - not - Kevin Plank decided to headquarter his company. I practiced at a large law firm in Baltimore, people are just so ignorant. It's a wonderful place with some bad parts. Did Trump forget that he was from a big urban city? I don't see him trying to move from NY to Idaho.

Can you imagine any of the Trumps ever deigning to live in Idaho? They are urban elitists and would never, ever consider it.

This is rich, considering the way in which liberals on DCUM (and elsewhere) constantly trash talk places like Idaho as "flyover country." Forget the Trumps - YOU are the urban elitists who would never, ever consider living there.

Meanwhile, I have lots of family in Idaho. It's a beautiful, clean place. Hope to retire there someday.

I mean, “flyover country” is a very weak criticism when compared to what Trump said about Baltimore and her residents.

No one else has noticed the current state of Baltimore?

No one else has noticed the current state of depressed rural America?

Do all of your responses consist of whataboutism? This thread is about Baltimore. Keep up.

No this thread is about the President’s re-election strategy. I think they have decided that they will not win in diverse urban areas anyway and they need their base to turn out They are hoping to pump up their base but fostering “us versus them “ type divisions. That is why you have seen an increase in racist comments (“go back to where you come from “ to American born Congresswomen of color and the use of the word “infestation “ to describe a city with a large African American population. It is very deliberate. The 2020 election is going to be a turnout election so he wants his base to be daring to go, and for Democratic voters to feel depressed and worn out. I think he is counting on his comments to really resonate with his base (and drive up turnout) and also hoping that white, moderate voters in Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania will not care enough to show up at the polls but might just end up fed up by the back and forth. The more he does this the more the face of the Democratic Party becomes people like AOC etc.

Anonymous wrote:Trump is a racist, and an all around terrible human being. Period.

But, Baltimore is not perfect. In fact, the city has suffered for decades. Decades. The corruption there is on par with Chicago and Puerto Rico. The schools are awful, crime is off the charts, and generations of poor people have been left behind.

I wish we could agree that Trump's comments were terrible, AND agree that Baltimore is similarly terrible and in need of scrutiny and overhaul...rather than have the PC knee jerk reaction of defending a city that so clearly needs better leadership.

I agree that Trump is terrible and Baltimore needs better governance. It is not lack of money, it is lack of leaders who use the money where needed.

Don’t want Trump to besmirch the poor blacks of Baltimore? Take away the reasons

Trump is a racist, and an all around terrible human being. Period.

But, Baltimore is not perfect. In fact, the city has suffered for decades. Decades. The corruption there is on par with Chicago and Puerto Rico. The schools are awful, crime is off the charts, and generations of poor people have been left behind.

I wish we could agree that Trump's comments were terrible, AND agree that Baltimore is similarly terrible and in need of scrutiny and overhaul...rather than have the PC knee jerk reaction of defending a city that so clearly needs better leadership.

Anonymous wrote:Using the race card every time you don’t like when Trump speaks the truth renders the race card as useful as tits on a bull

Look, even Republican members of Congress are retiring because they're tired of Trump's racism and misogyny. But please, keep telling us Trump isn't racist.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's not just the slum lords.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/baltimore-public-housing-workers-demanded-sex-repairs-lawsuit-alleges-n492161

The entire system is corrupt from top to bottom. There are some good people, trying to do good things. And they're surrounded by people doing whatever they can to get whatever they can.

This. The corruption is massive. What exactly has happened to all of the gazillions of cash Baltimore got???

Which gazillions would that be?

The city (and its residents) gets a couple billion in aid each year. The vast majority is related to housing subsidies. In terms of direct payments to city hall, the number is on the order of hundred of millions.

Other billions are SS/Medicare, billions to JHU etc, the same stuff that people calculate when saying red states are a net drain.

Sources with actual numbers.

Just google it, the baltimore sun has an anti-trump article today where you can find the actual numbers.

If you actually want to engage in a discussion I highly recommend doing your own research rather than letting your "opponent" do research that supports their own position.

I highly recommend that when you make your arguments you give actual data and sources.

And what if I show you the numbers you will recant and say OMG TRUMP IS RIGHT, MAGA FOREVER@!!!!!!

Or you could just do your own research and come to your own conclusions.

DP. Per USAspending.gov Baltimore received $5.4 billion in federal aid in 2018. In the last five years, the Baltimore Housing Authority received $1.1 billion in Federal money.

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Anonymous wrote:Interesting that in this terrible place - not - Kevin Plank decided to headquarter his company. I practiced at a large law firm in Baltimore, people are just so ignorant. It's a wonderful place with some bad parts. Did Trump forget that he was from a big urban city? I don't see him trying to move from NY to Idaho.

Can you imagine any of the Trumps ever deigning to live in Idaho? They are urban elitists and would never, ever consider it.

This is rich, considering the way in which liberals on DCUM (and elsewhere) constantly trash talk places like Idaho as "flyover country." Forget the Trumps - YOU are the urban elitists who would never, ever consider living there.

Meanwhile, I have lots of family in Idaho. It's a beautiful, clean place. Hope to retire there someday.

I mean, “flyover country” is a very weak criticism when compared to what Trump said about Baltimore and her residents.

Oh, please. He called out the rat-infestation, drawing attention to the abysmal living conditions many residents of Baltimore face. Are you actually denying there is a massive rat problem in B'more?

No.

Are you denying that Trump saves his “infest” and “infestation” insults for black people and things associated with black people?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's not just the slum lords.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/baltimore-public-housing-workers-demanded-sex-repairs-lawsuit-alleges-n492161

The entire system is corrupt from top to bottom. There are some good people, trying to do good things. And they're surrounded by people doing whatever they can to get whatever they can.

This. The corruption is massive. What exactly has happened to all of the gazillions of cash Baltimore got???

Which gazillions would that be?

The city (and its residents) gets a couple billion in aid each year. The vast majority is related to housing subsidies. In terms of direct payments to city hall, the number is on the order of hundred of millions.

Other billions are SS/Medicare, billions to JHU etc, the same stuff that people calculate when saying red states are a net drain.

Sources with actual numbers.

Just google it, the baltimore sun has an anti-trump article today where you can find the actual numbers.

If you actually want to engage in a discussion I highly recommend doing your own research rather than letting your "opponent" do research that supports their own position.

I highly recommend that when you make your arguments you give actual data and sources.

And what if I show you the numbers you will recant and say OMG TRUMP IS RIGHT, MAGA FOREVER@!!!!!!

Or you could just do your own research and come to your own conclusions.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Interesting that in this terrible place - not - Kevin Plank decided to headquarter his company. I practiced at a large law firm in Baltimore, people are just so ignorant. It's a wonderful place with some bad parts. Did Trump forget that he was from a big urban city? I don't see him trying to move from NY to Idaho.

Can you imagine any of the Trumps ever deigning to live in Idaho? They are urban elitists and would never, ever consider it.

This is rich, considering the way in which liberals on DCUM (and elsewhere) constantly trash talk places like Idaho as "flyover country." Forget the Trumps - YOU are the urban elitists who would never, ever consider living there.

Meanwhile, I have lots of family in Idaho. It's a beautiful, clean place. Hope to retire there someday.

I mean, “flyover country” is a very weak criticism when compared to what Trump said about Baltimore and her residents.

No one else has noticed the current state of Baltimore?

No one else has noticed the current state of depressed rural America?

Do all of your responses consist of whataboutism? This thread is about Baltimore. Keep up.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Interesting that in this terrible place - not - Kevin Plank decided to headquarter his company. I practiced at a large law firm in Baltimore, people are just so ignorant. It's a wonderful place with some bad parts. Did Trump forget that he was from a big urban city? I don't see him trying to move from NY to Idaho.

Can you imagine any of the Trumps ever deigning to live in Idaho? They are urban elitists and would never, ever consider it.

Have you ever been to Idaho? How do you know what it’s like?

I'm sure it's beautiful. Can you imagine Donald, Melania, Ivanka, or Jared moving there? In any scenario?

I can't imagine many urban elitists moving there. They prefer to badmouth beautiful places they've never actually visited.
-DP

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's not just the slum lords.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/baltimore-public-housing-workers-demanded-sex-repairs-lawsuit-alleges-n492161

The entire system is corrupt from top to bottom. There are some good people, trying to do good things. And they're surrounded by people doing whatever they can to get whatever they can.

This. The corruption is massive. What exactly has happened to all of the gazillions of cash Baltimore got???

Which gazillions would that be?

The city (and its residents) gets a couple billion in aid each year. The vast majority is related to housing subsidies. In terms of direct payments to city hall, the number is on the order of hundred of millions.

Other billions are SS/Medicare, billions to JHU etc, the same stuff that people calculate when saying red states are a net drain.

Sources with actual numbers.

Just google it, the baltimore sun has an anti-trump article today where you can find the actual numbers.

If you actually want to engage in a discussion I highly recommend doing your own research rather than letting your "opponent" do research that supports their own position.

I highly recommend that when you make your arguments you give actual data and sources.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Interesting that in this terrible place - not - Kevin Plank decided to headquarter his company. I practiced at a large law firm in Baltimore, people are just so ignorant. It's a wonderful place with some bad parts. Did Trump forget that he was from a big urban city? I don't see him trying to move from NY to Idaho.

Can you imagine any of the Trumps ever deigning to live in Idaho? They are urban elitists and would never, ever consider it.

This is rich, considering the way in which liberals on DCUM (and elsewhere) constantly trash talk places like Idaho as "flyover country." Forget the Trumps - YOU are the urban elitists who would never, ever consider living there.

Meanwhile, I have lots of family in Idaho. It's a beautiful, clean place. Hope to retire there someday.

I'm the pp you are responding to and I am from the rural midwest. There goes your theory. Pfffft.

What "theory"? Do you currently live in the rural Midwest, or are you an urban "elite"?