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Facts Matter.

The latest reports (e.g., today's USA Today) indicate that even Brazilian judges haven't ruled out whether the security guards might have committed robbery. Also, long-time Brazilian lawyers have said that they are not sure there was a legitimate basis for the potential false testimony charge.

But, yes, he is white and American and male, etc. So maybe facts don't matter?

No, because he is white and American, his defenders feel that his actions were justified.

If he really thinks he has a valid defense then let him go to Rio and face justice there ........ but then the Brazilian lawyers and judges you have cited will of course be suspect and incapable of rendering justice objectively!

Meh. I think he's faced enough justice.

I live in DC. If I call the police because someone peed outside and tore a poster, the police would laugh at me. But maybe Rio's got their crime under control more than we do here.

Probably not though.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Facts Matter.

The latest reports (e.g., today's USA Today) indicate that even Brazilian judges haven't ruled out whether the security guards might have committed robbery. Also, long-time Brazilian lawyers have said that they are not sure there was a legitimate basis for the potential false testimony charge.

But, yes, he is white and American and male, etc. So maybe facts don't matter?

No, because he is white and American, his defenders feel that his actions were justified.

If he really thinks he has a valid defense then let him go to Rio and face justice there ........ but then the Brazilian lawyers and judges you have cited will of course be suspect and incapable of rendering justice objectively!

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Anonymous wrote:What I don't understand why people are defending this guy? There are others in the Olympic team who are truly deserving of praise and have done the country proud.

Lochte is a blot on American athletes who excel in their sport and enhance the reputation of the US. The guy is 32 years old and is just an arrogant, self-absorbed jerk.

We are defending the rights of both rich Americans and regular non-rich Americans to go to Rio without being subject to shakedowns at gunpoint. Or shakedowns involving confiscated passports.

There were lots of athletes who competed and were excellent ambassadors of the US. These are not mutually exclusive concepts.

When you go to a foreign country you follow the laws of that country. You don't expect American standards of jurisprudence to be operative. Now if that is not acceptable then don't leave the US.

Even in the US, if the authorities believe that someone who is involved in criminal conduct is likely to leave the country, they confiscate the passport.

We tell foreigners who come to the US whether as visitors or to stay for any length of time that they are expected to comply with our laws - and rightly so. What makes Americans think that they can go to a foreign country and not obey their laws?

It is this hypocrisy and sense of self-entitlement that gives Americans a bad name.

Er, no, I was referring to Feigen's "charitable donation" in order to get his passport back. While special pleas and charitable donations are perfectly legal in Brazil, it's unlikely that he did anything warranting such a special plea. A Brazilian judge has admitted that the Americans may well have been robbed by the security guards, and a Brazilian lawyer has stated that the actions of Lochte and Feigen did not constitute the filing of a false police report as defined under Brazilian law. IOW, we expect that Americans be subject to the laws of the host country, not to shakedowns.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/olympics/rio-2016/2016/08/21/investigation-ryan-lochte-rio-olympics-authorities/89082232/

Anonymous wrote:
Facts Matter.

The latest reports (e.g., today's USA Today) indicate that even Brazilian judges haven't ruled out whether the security guards might have committed robbery. Also, long-time Brazilian lawyers have said that they are not sure there was a legitimate basis for the potential false testimony charge.

But, yes, he is white and American and male, etc. So maybe facts don't matter?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What I don't understand why people are defending this guy? There are others in the Olympic team who are truly deserving of praise and have done the country proud.

Lochte is a blot on American athletes who excel in their sport and enhance the reputation of the US. The guy is 32 years old and is just an arrogant, self-absorbed jerk.

We are defending the rights of both rich Americans and regular non-rich Americans to go to Rio without being subject to shakedowns at gunpoint. Or shakedowns involving confiscated passports.

There were lots of athletes who competed and were excellent ambassadors of the US. These are not mutually exclusive concepts.

When you go to a foreign country you follow the laws of that country. You don't expect American standards of jurisprudence to be operative. Now if that is not acceptable then don't leave the US.

Even in the US, if the authorities believe that someone who is involved in criminal conduct is likely to leave the country, they confiscate the passport.

We tell foreigners who come to the US whether as visitors or to stay for any length of time that they are expected to comply with our laws - and rightly so. What makes Americans think that they can go to a foreign country and not obey their laws?

It is this hypocrisy and sense of self-entitlement that gives Americans a bad name.

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He LIED and then lied and lied again ........ the guy is so stupid that he does not realize that his repeated lies about what happened is not helping him.

He is a moron - albeit a moron who can swim and has won medals.

Right but it's a scandal and scandals blow over. Think about how many celebrity scandals we've seen even of the criminal variety -- people do land; he just needs to disappear from the headlines for a while and all will be forgotten. And if he goes to rehab to turn his life around -- even better -- we love a good turnaround story in this country.

He is yesterday's news and with the ban he faces he will be too old to stage any kind of recovery.

You really need to listen to his original lie about a gun being pointed at his head by the police and being robbed, etc.

And the amazing thing is that he keeps using words like exaggerate and overreact when he should just acknowledge that he made up a lot of crap and apologize. This moron says that he was still intoxicated hours after he got back and tries to rationalize his lies with that excuse even as he says that he is not making excuses.

The guy is an imbecile.

Evidence suggests he did have a gun pointed at him.

Why do people keep talking about how dumb he is? Who do you think you're breaking this news to, PP? It's almost enough to make me question your intelligence.

He said that a gun was pointed at this head by people dressed like the police as part of a robbery. This was an outright lie but like fucking politicians he has to sugar coat it and say that it was an exaggeration or as a politician would say a "misstatement". The guy vandalized a property and then got belligerent with security at the gas station.

To make matters worse he claims that the reason for him making it up is that he was still intoxicated hours after the incident. He lied about when he returned to the Olympic village and when he left the night club.

There are reports that he is not the sharpest knife in the drawer and given the way he has conducted himself in interviews that is an understatement. I wish Matt Lauer and others would just point blank tell the guy that what he did was to lie - not exaggerate, not overreact but outright lie and in the process besmirch the people in Rio and the rest of the US Olympic team.

The asshole thought that given Rio's crime stats he could get away with just lying about it but the moron did not realize there were cameras offering video proof of his lies.

Still not seeing any brazen lies. The men pointing guns were probably in a uniform and/or showing a security badge.

If every dude who pissed outside and tore a poster (or the like) had guns pointed at them and a subsequent public shaming, there are a lot of moms both in DC proper and in McClean who would be traumatized right now.

American Lives Matter.

F*ck the rest, of course. How do they dare impose their laws on us, in their country.

Facts Matter.

The latest reports (e.g., today's USA Today) indicate that even Brazilian judges haven't ruled out whether the security guards might have committed robbery. Also, long-time Brazilian lawyers have said that they are not sure there was a legitimate basis for the potential false testimony charge.

But, yes, he is white and American and male, etc. So maybe facts don't matter?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
He LIED and then lied and lied again ........ the guy is so stupid that he does not realize that his repeated lies about what happened is not helping him.

He is a moron - albeit a moron who can swim and has won medals.

Right but it's a scandal and scandals blow over. Think about how many celebrity scandals we've seen even of the criminal variety -- people do land; he just needs to disappear from the headlines for a while and all will be forgotten. And if he goes to rehab to turn his life around -- even better -- we love a good turnaround story in this country.

He is yesterday's news and with the ban he faces he will be too old to stage any kind of recovery.

You really need to listen to his original lie about a gun being pointed at his head by the police and being robbed, etc.

And the amazing thing is that he keeps using words like exaggerate and overreact when he should just acknowledge that he made up a lot of crap and apologize. This moron says that he was still intoxicated hours after he got back and tries to rationalize his lies with that excuse even as he says that he is not making excuses.

The guy is an imbecile.

Evidence suggests he did have a gun pointed at him.

Why do people keep talking about how dumb he is? Who do you think you're breaking this news to, PP? It's almost enough to make me question your intelligence.

He said that a gun was pointed at this head by people dressed like the police as part of a robbery. This was an outright lie but like fucking politicians he has to sugar coat it and say that it was an exaggeration or as a politician would say a "misstatement". The guy vandalized a property and then got belligerent with security at the gas station.

To make matters worse he claims that the reason for him making it up is that he was still intoxicated hours after the incident. He lied about when he returned to the Olympic village and when he left the night club.

There are reports that he is not the sharpest knife in the drawer and given the way he has conducted himself in interviews that is an understatement. I wish Matt Lauer and others would just point blank tell the guy that what he did was to lie - not exaggerate, not overreact but outright lie and in the process besmirch the people in Rio and the rest of the US Olympic team.

The asshole thought that given Rio's crime stats he could get away with just lying about it but the moron did not realize there were cameras offering video proof of his lies.

Still not seeing any brazen lies. The men pointing guns were probably in a uniform and/or showing a security badge.

If every dude who pissed outside and tore a poster (or the like) had guns pointed at them and a subsequent public shaming, there are a lot of moms both in DC proper and in McClean who would be traumatized right now.

American Lives Matter.

F*ck the rest, of course. How do they dare impose their laws on us, in their country.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What I don't understand why people are defending this guy? There are others in the Olympic team who are truly deserving of praise and have done the country proud.

Lochte is a blot on American athletes who excel in their sport and enhance the reputation of the US. The guy is 32 years old and is just an arrogant, self-absorbed jerk.

We are defending the rights of both rich Americans and regular non-rich Americans to go to Rio without being subject to shakedowns at gunpoint. Or shakedowns involving confiscated passports.

There were lots of athletes who competed and were excellent ambassadors of the US. These are not mutually exclusive concepts.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
He LIED and then lied and lied again ........ the guy is so stupid that he does not realize that his repeated lies about what happened is not helping him.

He is a moron - albeit a moron who can swim and has won medals.

Right but it's a scandal and scandals blow over. Think about how many celebrity scandals we've seen even of the criminal variety -- people do land; he just needs to disappear from the headlines for a while and all will be forgotten. And if he goes to rehab to turn his life around -- even better -- we love a good turnaround story in this country.

He is yesterday's news and with the ban he faces he will be too old to stage any kind of recovery.

You really need to listen to his original lie about a gun being pointed at his head by the police and being robbed, etc.

And the amazing thing is that he keeps using words like exaggerate and overreact when he should just acknowledge that he made up a lot of crap and apologize. This moron says that he was still intoxicated hours after he got back and tries to rationalize his lies with that excuse even as he says that he is not making excuses.

The guy is an imbecile.

Evidence suggests he did have a gun pointed at him.

Why do people keep talking about how dumb he is? Who do you think you're breaking this news to, PP? It's almost enough to make me question your intelligence.

He said that a gun was pointed at this head by people dressed like the police as part of a robbery. This was an outright lie but like fucking politicians he has to sugar coat it and say that it was an exaggeration or as a politician would say a "misstatement". The guy vandalized a property and then got belligerent with security at the gas station.

To make matters worse he claims that the reason for him making it up is that he was still intoxicated hours after the incident. He lied about when he returned to the Olympic village and when he left the night club.

There are reports that he is not the sharpest knife in the drawer and given the way he has conducted himself in interviews that is an understatement. I wish Matt Lauer and others would just point blank tell the guy that what he did was to lie - not exaggerate, not overreact but outright lie and in the process besmirch the people in Rio and the rest of the US Olympic team.

The asshole thought that given Rio's crime stats he could get away with just lying about it but the moron did not realize there were cameras offering video proof of his lies.

Still not seeing any brazen lies. The men pointing guns were probably in a uniform and/or showing a security badge.

If every dude who pissed outside and tore a poster (or the like) had guns pointed at them and a subsequent public shaming, there are a lot of moms both in DC proper and in McClean who would be traumatized right now.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What I don't understand why people are defending this guy? There are others in the Olympic team who are truly deserving of praise and have done the country proud.

Lochte is a blot on American athletes who excel in their sport and enhance the reputation of the US. The guy is 32 years old and is just an arrogant, self-absorbed jerk.

We are defending the rights of both rich Americans and regular non-rich Americans to go to Rio without being subject to shakedowns at gunpoint. Or shakedowns involving confiscated passports.

There were lots of athletes who competed and were excellent ambassadors of the US. These are not mutually exclusive concepts.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
He LIED and then lied and lied again ........ the guy is so stupid that he does not realize that his repeated lies about what happened is not helping him.

He is a moron - albeit a moron who can swim and has won medals.

Right but it's a scandal and scandals blow over. Think about how many celebrity scandals we've seen even of the criminal variety -- people do land; he just needs to disappear from the headlines for a while and all will be forgotten. And if he goes to rehab to turn his life around -- even better -- we love a good turnaround story in this country.

He is yesterday's news and with the ban he faces he will be too old to stage any kind of recovery.

You really need to listen to his original lie about a gun being pointed at his head by the police and being robbed, etc.

And the amazing thing is that he keeps using words like exaggerate and overreact when he should just acknowledge that he made up a lot of crap and apologize. This moron says that he was still intoxicated hours after he got back and tries to rationalize his lies with that excuse even as he says that he is not making excuses.

The guy is an imbecile.

Evidence suggests he did have a gun pointed at him.

Why do people keep talking about how dumb he is? Who do you think you're breaking this news to, PP? It's almost enough to make me question your intelligence.

He said that a gun was pointed at this head by people dressed like the police as part of a robbery. This was an outright lie but like fucking politicians he has to sugar coat it and say that it was an exaggeration or as a politician would say a "misstatement". The guy vandalized a property and then got belligerent with security at the gas station.

To make matters worse he claims that the reason for him making it up is that he was still intoxicated hours after the incident. He lied about when he returned to the Olympic village and when he left the night club.

There are reports that he is not the sharpest knife in the drawer and given the way he has conducted himself in interviews that is an understatement. I wish Matt Lauer and others would just point blank tell the guy that what he did was to lie - not exaggerate, not overreact but outright lie and in the process besmirch the people in Rio and the rest of the US Olympic team.

The asshole thought that given Rio's crime stats he could get away with just lying about it but the moron did not realize there were cameras offering video proof of his lies.

Anonymous wrote:What I don't understand why people are defending this guy? There are others in the Olympic team who are truly deserving of praise and have done the country proud.

Lochte is a blot on American athletes who excel in their sport and enhance the reputation of the US. The guy is 32 years old and is just an arrogant, self-absorbed jerk.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
He LIED and then lied and lied again ........ the guy is so stupid that he does not realize that his repeated lies about what happened is not helping him.

He is a moron - albeit a moron who can swim and has won medals.

Right but it's a scandal and scandals blow over. Think about how many celebrity scandals we've seen even of the criminal variety -- people do land; he just needs to disappear from the headlines for a while and all will be forgotten. And if he goes to rehab to turn his life around -- even better -- we love a good turnaround story in this country.

He is yesterday's news and with the ban he faces he will be too old to stage any kind of recovery.

You really need to listen to his original lie about a gun being pointed at his head by the police and being robbed, etc.

And the amazing thing is that he keeps using words like exaggerate and overreact when he should just acknowledge that he made up a lot of crap and apologize. This moron says that he was still intoxicated hours after he got back and tries to rationalize his lies with that excuse even as he says that he is not making excuses.

The guy is an imbecile.

Evidence suggests he did have a gun pointed at him.

Why do people keep talking about how dumb he is? Who do you think you're breaking this news to, PP? It's almost enough to make me question your intelligence.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
He LIED and then lied and lied again ........ the guy is so stupid that he does not realize that his repeated lies about what happened is not helping him.

He is a moron - albeit a moron who can swim and has won medals.

Right but it's a scandal and scandals blow over. Think about how many celebrity scandals we've seen even of the criminal variety -- people do land; he just needs to disappear from the headlines for a while and all will be forgotten. And if he goes to rehab to turn his life around -- even better -- we love a good turnaround story in this country.

He is yesterday's news and with the ban he faces he will be too old to stage any kind of recovery.

You really need to listen to his original lie about a gun being pointed at his head by the police and being robbed, etc.

And the amazing thing is that he keeps using words like exaggerate and overreact when he should just acknowledge that he made up a lot of crap and apologize. This moron says that he was still intoxicated hours after he got back and tries to rationalize his lies with that excuse even as he says that he is not making excuses.

The guy is an imbecile.