Anonymous wrote:It was hard to watch Ryan. I cannot for the life of me why M stayed in the car. Why didn't she switch and drive? She has her own child, why put herself in that risky situation?
On top of the fact that your fiancee can't even be sober for your wedding. That is how you want it to happen for you? Rushed, last minute because of a custody issue while he is drugged up and his mother is sobbing in the background? I get the actual wedding was still to come but come on.
Also, what is the policy for production? Do they have any obligation to intervene watching him drive in that condition?

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Anonymous wrote:Caitlyn looks like she has gained so much weight. I think they both need to get jobs or at the very least, they need to do something everyday.

She and Amber both need jobs. That would significantly treat their depression.

Jobs alone do not reduce depression.

Of course not. But sitting around pining over the daughter you placed for adoption and sitting around coming up with ideas but not following through is not great either. Trust me, they both need jobs. Daily jobs they go to on a regular basis. Not a job where they're filmed laying on their couches talking about themselves. They need to focus outward, not inward so much.

Goodness, last night was so painful to watch - when was the last time you were BORED as a parent? They literally choose to sit around with nothing to do while Nova is in daycare. Wtf?

And then is she buying that horse behind Tyler's back? Pig 2.0

They pine for the daughter they placed for adoption because that is their story line. Think about it...do you think they really need to still be in touch with the adoption counsellor still? They can go EPISODES without talking about their first child but then they talk and talk about her. The story line about Cait being depressed completely disappeared. (They realized that Dr. Drew telling her she needed to stop smoking weed in the reunion show was cramping her style so she decided to get out of bed a little more.)

It is sad that both Maci and Cait put their kids in daycare when they really aren't working (and Cait uses Butch for childcare!) Yes, I know Maci does TTM but she doesn't need childcare for that as we can see she is out to lunch, in the house, etc. No one is getting up, getting ready, getting out the door and doing a daily grind.

--Separately, did anyone notice the cigarette in Maci's hand (she kinda palmed it) while she was on the couch talking to Taylor in the episode where she called the addiction counsellor?

Anonymous wrote:Why did Ryan and McKenzie really get married in 2 hours notice I'm wondering?

Anonymous wrote:Farrah's mother is so beyond batshit cray that she makes Farrah look like June Cleaver.

A Bora Bora wedding? With someone who is clearly unstable? And Sophia gets to pick whatever she wants like it's a wedding for a 7 year old?

Then screaming in the nail salon that she wants to die?

What. The. F.

Anonymous wrote:Farrah also moves frequently despite having an elementary school aged kid AND owns a miniature pony. Grow up.

Anonymous wrote:Farrah also moves frequently despite having an elementary school aged kid AND owns a miniature pony. Grow up.

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Anonymous wrote:How about Maci putting her like toddler girl to sleep in her crib with the television on. What toddler has a television in her room? I feel like these kids aren't being read to at bedtime.

How about Butch watching the baby when Caitlyn and Tyler go to Puerto Rico? I wouldn't trust that man to watch my child for even an hour let alone a few days/ nights.

I can't take Farrah bossing her parents around. She must give them lots of money or something. I wouldn't take that from my kid, I'm sorry. She is so nasty.

Amber putting make up on her daughter and telling her its slutty make up... awesome!

I still love this show though...

Farrah has really grown on me in that she is one mom that hasn't had any mom kids and is actually using the boon of TM to plan and provide for her future. Yeah, a porn tape might not be the classiest thing to do, but she capitalized on this opportunity and worked it. Her businesses are all weird and might be shams for something else, but she works her as off. She is doing things. The rest are just loafing and pretending to be busy. Maci's got that tshirt thing going on, but that's about it.

Farrah's mom is a piece of work, though. She would drive me nuts and I think ther have been times when Farrah's been shown actually being patient with her and making a lot of sense, namely about the new boyfriend/fiancé. She asked her to think about if this was someone Deb wanted to allow into their family home and into their life, which is... kind of deep, if you think about it. Deb is just as rude as Farrah is to strangers and service employees, and does have a "we're beetr than them" atttiude. And yes, Farrah gives her money and pays for lots of things. On one ep a few seasons ago, Deb called talking about wanting something (plastic surgery maybe? I forget) and the conversation with Farrah's send wasn't "I'm not sure that's a good idea." It was "I'm not going to spend $xxxx for that, mom."

Yeah, I have to admit that Farrah, out of all of them, is probably the only one who I would say is a success. She knew enough to get pregnant again or shack up with a baby daddy. She realized that she had to do something with the money that was rolling in besides just spend it on herself. She actually is pretty smart compared to all the others.

As for Tyler and Cate, they should move. It will be an experience for them and might help them break the cycle.

I wouldn't classify Farrah as a success for a variety of reasons:

--Vanity: she's a hot mess looks wise. Huge, fake boobs, huge, fake lips, long, fake hair, overdone makeup

--Family: way she treats her family, way she treats motherhood (foisting Sophia off all the time to do other reality shows, putting her on this show when she's acting bratty - i.e. being lifted by a bellhop to be carried to her acting lesson which sounds more like a reading tutoring session, getting your kid to wear making in early elementary school)

--Values - porn tape which she then failed to own and lied about and was instead a sex tape that was about to get out so she sold, selling plastic molds of her body, hosting parties at strip clubs for money,

--Jobs - she's all over the place (furniture, yogurt, kids' clothing, porn, gentlemen's clubs, plastic body parts, Italian sauce). It's essentially a sure fire way to do a bunch of stuff, none of it well. Guess this is how she got herself caught posting online on Yelp giving herself good reviews. Do you know anyone who branches out like that who is successful? She'll blow through her money that way. What she needs to do is FOCUS and LEARN instead of thinking she knows it all.

Ego: The way she talks to her employees, parents, boyfriend, MTV producer, mother's boyfriend, etc - she knows more than everyone, is a bigger star than everyone, is better than everyone, etc. She has no desire to fix anything within herself, to learn anything, to be thankful, to be grateful, to be humble, to be an equal. She expects adoration at all times.

Just because she has a lot of businesses and isn't pregnant or married young doesn't make her a success.

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Anonymous wrote:Caitlyn looks like she has gained so much weight. I think they both need to get jobs or at the very least, they need to do something everyday.

She and Amber both need jobs. That would significantly treat their depression.

Jobs alone do not reduce depression.

Of course not. But sitting around pining over the daughter you placed for adoption and sitting around coming up with ideas but not following through is not great either. Trust me, they both need jobs. Daily jobs they go to on a regular basis. Not a job where they're filmed laying on their couches talking about themselves. They need to focus outward, not inward so much.

Goodness, last night was so painful to watch - when was the last time you were BORED as a parent? They literally choose to sit around with nothing to do while Nova is in daycare. Wtf?

And then is she buying that horse behind Tyler's back? Pig 2.0