Anonymous
Post 06/21/2023 13:45     Subject: Tourist submersible missing on visit to Titanic
Anonymous wrote:Once past the window of this being a rescue, I do not see the value in attempting to bring the Titan back to the surface.

Unless the families are willing to pay for the recovery efforts, it seems to me that it should be left where it is.

Anyone disagree? I’m interested in hearing the other side if so.


I don’t think the government should be involved in a rescue attempt, unless there is some military angle to this they are not disclosing. A billionaire who is high on his own supply is stuck in the water with four “crew members” who were fully informed and signed detailed waivers. This is not a problem that ethically requires anyone else’s action or risk-taking.

Live as a libertarian who thinks your money protects you, die as a libertarian who thinks your money protects you.
Anonymous
Post 06/21/2023 13:45     Subject: Tourist submersible missing on visit to Titanic
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Once past the window of this being a rescue, I do not see the value in attempting to bring the Titan back to the surface.

Unless the families are willing to pay for the recovery efforts, it seems to me that it should be left where it is.

Anyone disagree? I’m interested in hearing the other side if so.

They probably won’t bring it up, will they? They can barely do it while the people might still be alive.


I feel like sometime between Friday and Monday we will be told a safe rescue is impossible and unforeseeable. Something if that nature.
Anonymous
Post 06/21/2023 13:42     Subject: Tourist submersible missing on visit to Titanic
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I guess the bottom line unfortunately is that even if they locate it, there isn’t a feasible way to bring the vessel back up or if they devise a way, their oxygen will run out before they can get everything in place to do that. can you imagine sitting in that thing and possibly seeing an unmanned rover float by knowing they found you or at least located you but you’re still likely to die? That’s why I’m hoping they’re dead or already falling asleep. Just end the torture already.


I would assume it would likely take a week or more to coordinate a crane and unmanned submissable to lift it without dropping it


Unless they go with the orca plan discussed earlier.

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Anonymous
Post 06/21/2023 13:42     Subject: Tourist submersible missing on visit to Titanic
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:press conference just ended -- they have heard sounds today but can't confirm that they are from the Titan. they are searching that area though. also sounds like many vessels have arrived to help


The perfect spacing of every 30min makes me think it’s not the Titan. Even as a naval code for help, they are in pitch black with likely dead devices and watches not working, how would they get the timing so exact?


they didn't confirm the 30 min timing.
Anonymous
Post 06/21/2023 13:41     Subject: Tourist submersible missing on visit to Titanic
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I guess the bottom line unfortunately is that even if they locate it, there isn’t a feasible way to bring the vessel back up or if they devise a way, their oxygen will run out before they can get everything in place to do that. can you imagine sitting in that thing and possibly seeing an unmanned rover float by knowing they found you or at least located you but you’re still likely to die? That’s why I’m hoping they’re dead or already falling asleep. Just end the torture already.


I would assume it would likely take a week or more to coordinate a crane and unmanned submissable to lift it without dropping it


Unless they go with the orca plan discussed earlier.
Anonymous
Post 06/21/2023 13:40     Subject: Tourist submersible missing on visit to Titanic
Anonymous wrote:Once past the window of this being a rescue, I do not see the value in attempting to bring the Titan back to the surface.

Unless the families are willing to pay for the recovery efforts, it seems to me that it should be left where it is.

Anyone disagree? I’m interested in hearing the other side if so.

They probably won’t bring it up, will they? They can barely do it while the people might still be alive.
Anonymous
Post 06/21/2023 13:39     Subject: Tourist submersible missing on visit to Titanic
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:“Safety is pure waste,” said submersible CEO now trapped in unrescuable submersible:

https://bestlifeonline.com/missing-titanic-submarine-ceo-safety-is-waste-news/


He was the Elizabeth Holmes of submersibles.

"But Rush pushed back on his assertion that the vehicle was dangerous. 'There are certain things that you want to be buttoned down. The pressure vessel is not MacGyver at all, because that's where we worked with Boeing and NASA and the University of Washington,' he explained. 'Everything else can fail, your thrusters can go, your lights can go. You're still going to be safe.'"


Well, I guess we can be glad he got taken out without a lengthy trial.
Anonymous
Post 06/21/2023 13:39     Subject: Tourist submersible missing on visit to Titanic
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:“Safety is pure waste,” said submersible CEO now trapped in unrescuable submersible:

https://bestlifeonline.com/missing-titanic-submarine-ceo-safety-is-waste-news/


The guy knew there was no rescue if the vessel failed at depth. He can't say that, of course, since that would spook the paying customers.

His whole attitude is "Why bother?" because he knew that any failure meant death. It's why they didn't even bother putting an external anchor device on the vessel - they couldn't get towed out from 12,000 feet. There is no rescue or recovery of a 22,000 pound vessel at those depths and pressures. It's not feasible.

Basically, he was prepared to die every time he went down. It's a binary outcome - you get back to the surface on your own or death. That's the jist of it.


As I said earlier—it’s a level of delusion that has things in common with suicidality, including the fact that it’s ending with him dead.
Anonymous
Post 06/21/2023 13:37     Subject: Tourist submersible missing on visit to Titanic
Once past the window of this being a rescue, I do not see the value in attempting to bring the Titan back to the surface.

Unless the families are willing to pay for the recovery efforts, it seems to me that it should be left where it is.

Anyone disagree? I’m interested in hearing the other side if so.
Anonymous
Post 06/21/2023 13:37     Subject: Re:Tourist submersible missing on visit to Titanic
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Why doesn't a military sub assist?


We’ve got tons of subs in our navy; why doesn’t one of ours just go there, have the crew swim over one by one, and bring those people home already?


So our US Navy submariners can swim at 12000 feet below sea level? We've come a long way in naval warfare preparations.


We lost one of the worlds best divers Dave Shaw when he tried to retrieve the body of a fellow diver. The risk is too high to send a diver down this deep into the ocean.


LOL, the risk is not too high it is simply impossible. Nobody can dive at 12000 feet. This isn’t cave-diving.
Anonymous
Post 06/21/2023 13:36     Subject: Tourist submersible missing on visit to Titanic
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I guess the bottom line unfortunately is that even if they locate it, there isn’t a feasible way to bring the vessel back up or if they devise a way, their oxygen will run out before they can get everything in place to do that. can you imagine sitting in that thing and possibly seeing an unmanned rover float by knowing they found you or at least located you but you’re still likely to die? That’s why I’m hoping they’re dead or already falling asleep. Just end the torture already.


I would assume it would likely take a week or more to coordinate a crane and unmanned submissable to lift it without dropping it


And over 12000 feet of steel cable to lift 20k pounds. I'm guessing that much cable is not just laying around everywhere.
Anonymous
Post 06/21/2023 13:34     Subject: Tourist submersible missing on visit to Titanic
Anonymous wrote:I guess the bottom line unfortunately is that even if they locate it, there isn’t a feasible way to bring the vessel back up or if they devise a way, their oxygen will run out before they can get everything in place to do that. can you imagine sitting in that thing and possibly seeing an unmanned rover float by knowing they found you or at least located you but you’re still likely to die? That’s why I’m hoping they’re dead or already falling asleep. Just end the torture already.


I would assume it would likely take a week or more to coordinate a crane and unmanned submissable to lift it without dropping it
Anonymous
Post 06/21/2023 13:33     Subject: Tourist submersible missing on visit to Titanic
Anonymous wrote:press conference just ended -- they have heard sounds today but can't confirm that they are from the Titan. they are searching that area though. also sounds like many vessels have arrived to help


The perfect spacing of every 30min makes me think it’s not the Titan. Even as a naval code for help, they are in pitch black with likely dead devices and watches not working, how would they get the timing so exact?
Anonymous
Post 06/21/2023 13:31     Subject: Tourist submersible missing on visit to Titanic
I guess the bottom line unfortunately is that even if they locate it, there isn’t a feasible way to bring the vessel back up or if they devise a way, their oxygen will run out before they can get everything in place to do that. can you imagine sitting in that thing and possibly seeing an unmanned rover float by knowing they found you or at least located you but you’re still likely to die? That’s why I’m hoping they’re dead or already falling asleep. Just end the torture already.
Anonymous
Post 06/21/2023 13:28     Subject: Tourist submersible missing on visit to Titanic
Anonymous wrote:“Safety is pure waste,” said submersible CEO now trapped in unrescuable submersible:

https://bestlifeonline.com/missing-titanic-submarine-ceo-safety-is-waste-news/


The guy knew there was no rescue if the vessel failed at depth. He can't say that, of course, since that would spook the paying customers.

His whole attitude is "Why bother?" because he knew that any failure meant death. It's why they didn't even bother putting an external anchor device on the vessel - they couldn't get towed out from 12,000 feet. There is no rescue or recovery of a 22,000 pound vessel at those depths and pressures. It's not feasible.

Basically, he was prepared to die every time he went down. It's a binary outcome - you get back to the surface on your own or death. That's the jist of it.