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Anonymous wrote:McCarthy has given away so much power, that he would have no power. And the crazies win.

Really, some moderate GOP, if there are any left, need to join with the dems and arrive at a solution.

McCarthy had no power to give away. That’s how he found himself in this position. The GOP resigned itself to be little more than the Cult of Trump with performative bit players falling over one another for a nightly hit on Fox News. Now, without someone to replace Trump at the national level, they are nothing but cheap slogans. They have no idea how to govern in part because Trump made no pretense of being interested in governing.

Anonymous wrote:McCarthy has given away so much power, that he would have no power. And the crazies win.

Really, some moderate GOP, if there are any left, need to join with the dems and arrive at a solution.

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe it's already in the thread, but isn't there some sense in several Ds giving votes to McCarthy for concessions instead of him bowing to the RW?

JFC, for the last time, this is not Democrats problem to solve! News flash, KM IS RW! He’s giving the bomb throwers everything they’ve asked for. Stop asking Dems to clean up GOP sh!t. Again, any Rs who want to govern can reach out to Jeffries. Until then, we can all see who are the grownups and who are the children. Next election, vote accordingly.

Not suggesting in any way that it's the D's problem to solve, but that the Ds could capitalize on the chaos to secure committee seats, debt ceiling votes, whatever else. I think Pelosi is right and had the Rs been the leaders during 1/6, we would not be a (version of a) democracy today. We all have to live here for the next 2 years, and I don't want to just see who the adults are - I want a functioning government that can at the very least ensure our country continues to exist.

They wouldn’t secure any of those things. All those things require separate House votes, not dictates of the Speaker. Everything the House does for the next two years will require a separate vote to come to the floor.

But the Speaker controls what the House votes on. A sane Speaker could just tell the crazies to stuff it and put a debt ceiling vote on the floor, get all 212 Democratic votes and a handful of Republican votes. But one who is captive to the crazies will just never let that vote happen.

Didn't Hastert say you can't do that? A blackmailing pedophile is in charge of the House. No one else is.

That's the Hastert rule, no vote on a bill unless the majority of republicans support it

But it's not actually an official rule of the House. It's just a norm that republicans developed.

Anonymous wrote:McCarthy has no power to yield othe than what the terrorist caucus deign to give him. He wins absolutely nothing. He is prepared to hand away control not for the good of the country, or for the effective governance of the House, but only to be seen holding the gavel. He can’t even stop his laundry list of concessions being leaked to the media in real time. He’s being paraded through the halls of Congress naked while Gaetz and his cabal lead shouts of “shame … shame … shame.”

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Anonymous wrote:McCarthy has given away so much power, that he would have no power. And the crazies win.

Really, some moderate GOP, if there are any left, need to join with the dems and arrive at a solution.

How do you think that would go for those republicans?

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe it's already in the thread, but isn't there some sense in several Ds giving votes to McCarthy for concessions instead of him bowing to the RW?

JFC, for the last time, this is not Democrats problem to solve! News flash, KM IS RW! He’s giving the bomb throwers everything they’ve asked for. Stop asking Dems to clean up GOP sh!t. Again, any Rs who want to govern can reach out to Jeffries. Until then, we can all see who are the grownups and who are the children. Next election, vote accordingly.

Not suggesting in any way that it's the D's problem to solve, but that the Ds could capitalize on the chaos to secure committee seats, debt ceiling votes, whatever else. I think Pelosi is right and had the Rs been the leaders during 1/6, we would not be a (version of a) democracy today. We all have to live here for the next 2 years, and I don't want to just see who the adults are - I want a functioning government that can at the very least ensure our country continues to exist.

They wouldn’t secure any of those things. All those things require separate House votes, not dictates of the Speaker. Everything the House does for the next two years will require a separate vote to come to the floor.

But the Speaker controls what the House votes on. A sane Speaker could just tell the crazies to stuff it and put a debt ceiling vote on the floor, get all 212 Democratic votes and a handful of Republican votes. But one who is captive to the crazies will just never let that vote happen.

Didn't Hastert say you can't do that? A blackmailing pedophile is in charge of the House. No one else is.

That's the Hastert rule, no vote on a bill unless the majority of republicans support it

Anonymous wrote:McCarthy has given away so much power, that he would have no power. And the crazies win.

Really, some moderate GOP, if there are any left, need to join with the dems and arrive at a solution.

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe it's already in the thread, but isn't there some sense in several Ds giving votes to McCarthy for concessions instead of him bowing to the RW?

JFC, for the last time, this is not Democrats problem to solve! News flash, KM IS RW! He’s giving the bomb throwers everything they’ve asked for. Stop asking Dems to clean up GOP sh!t. Again, any Rs who want to govern can reach out to Jeffries. Until then, we can all see who are the grownups and who are the children. Next election, vote accordingly.

Not suggesting in any way that it's the D's problem to solve, but that the Ds could capitalize on the chaos to secure committee seats, debt ceiling votes, whatever else. I think Pelosi is right and had the Rs been the leaders during 1/6, we would not be a (version of a) democracy today. We all have to live here for the next 2 years, and I don't want to just see who the adults are - I want a functioning government that can at the very least ensure our country continues to exist.

They wouldn’t secure any of those things. All those things require separate House votes, not dictates of the Speaker. Everything the House does for the next two years will require a separate vote to come to the floor.

But the Speaker controls what the House votes on. A sane Speaker could just tell the crazies to stuff it and put a debt ceiling vote on the floor, get all 212 Democratic votes and a handful of Republican votes. But one who is captive to the crazies will just never let that vote happen.

Didn't Hastert say you can't do that? A blackmailing pedophile is in charge of the House. No one else is.

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe it's already in the thread, but isn't there some sense in several Ds giving votes to McCarthy for concessions instead of him bowing to the RW?

Would you trust any concession your received from McCarthy?

I wouldn't.

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe it's already in the thread, but isn't there some sense in several Ds giving votes to McCarthy for concessions instead of him bowing to the RW?

JFC, for the last time, this is not Democrats problem to solve! News flash, KM IS RW! He’s giving the bomb throwers everything they’ve asked for. Stop asking Dems to clean up GOP sh!t. Again, any Rs who want to govern can reach out to Jeffries. Until then, we can all see who are the grownups and who are the children. Next election, vote accordingly.

Not suggesting in any way that it's the D's problem to solve, but that the Ds could capitalize on the chaos to secure committee seats, debt ceiling votes, whatever else. I think Pelosi is right and had the Rs been the leaders during 1/6, we would not be a (version of a) democracy today. We all have to live here for the next 2 years, and I don't want to just see who the adults are - I want a functioning government that can at the very least ensure our country continues to exist.

They wouldn’t secure any of those things. All those things require separate House votes, not dictates of the Speaker. Everything the House does for the next two years will require a separate vote to come to the floor.

But the Speaker controls what the House votes on. A sane Speaker could just tell the crazies to stuff it and put a debt ceiling vote on the floor, get all 212 Democratic votes and a handful of Republican votes. But one who is captive to the crazies will just never let that vote happen.

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe it's already in the thread, but isn't there some sense in several Ds giving votes to McCarthy for concessions instead of him bowing to the RW?

JFC, for the last time, this is not Democrats problem to solve! News flash, KM IS RW! He’s giving the bomb throwers everything they’ve asked for. Stop asking Dems to clean up GOP sh!t. Again, any Rs who want to govern can reach out to Jeffries. Until then, we can all see who are the grownups and who are the children. Next election, vote accordingly.

Not suggesting in any way that it's the D's problem to solve, but that the Ds could capitalize on the chaos to secure committee seats, debt ceiling votes, whatever else. I think Pelosi is right and had the Rs been the leaders during 1/6, we would not be a (version of a) democracy today. We all have to live here for the next 2 years, and I don't want to just see who the adults are - I want a functioning government that can at the very least ensure our country continues to exist.

They wouldn’t secure any of those things. All those things require separate House votes, not dictates of the Speaker. Everything the House does for the next two years will require a separate vote to come to the floor.

But the Speaker controls what the House votes on. A sane Speaker could just tell the crazies to stuff it and put a debt ceiling vote on the floor, get all 212 Democratic votes and a handful of Republican votes. But one who is captive to the crazies will just never let that vote happen.

Anonymous wrote:Maybe it's already in the thread, but isn't there some sense in several Ds giving votes to McCarthy for concessions instead of him bowing to the RW?