Anonymous
03/25/2022 00:50
Subject: Re:Military observations on Ukraine invasion
This was a very interesting article. An American marine fighting with the Ukraine’s in Kyiv.
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/03/american-volunteer-foreign-fighters-ukraine-russia-war/627604/
When I mentioned to Jed that I’d fought in Fallujah in 2004, he said that the tactics the Marine Corps used to take that city would never work today in Ukraine. In Fallujah, our infantry worked in close coordination with our premier tank, the M1A2 Abrams. On several occasions, I watched our tanks take direct hits from rocket-propelled grenades (typically older-generation RPG-7s) without so much as a stutter in their forward progress. Today, a Ukrainian defending Kyiv or any other city, armed with a Javelin or an NLAW, would destroy a similarly capable tank.
If the costly main battle tank is the archetypal platform of an army (as is the case for Russia and NATO), then the archetypal platform of a navy (particularly America’s Navy) is the ultra-costly capital ship, such as an aircraft carrier. Just as modern anti-tank weapons have turned the tide for the outnumbered Ukrainian army, the latest generation of anti-ship missiles (both shore- and sea-based) could in the future—say, in a place like the South China Sea or the Strait of Hormuz—turn the tide for a seemingly outmatched navy. Since February 24, the Ukrainian military has convincingly displayed the superiority of an anti-platform-centric method of warfare. Or, as Jed put it, “In Afghanistan, I used to feel jealous of those tankers, buttoned up in all that armor. Not anymore.”
This brought Jed to the second subject he wanted to discuss: Russian tactics and doctrine. He said he had spent much of the past few weeks in the trenches northwest of Kyiv. “The Russians have no imagination,” he said. “They would shell our positions, attack in large formations, and when their assaults failed, do it all over again. Meanwhile, the Ukrainians would raid the Russian lines in small groups night after night, wearing them down.”
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/03/american-volunteer-foreign-fighters-ukraine-russia-war/627604/
Anonymous
03/24/2022 22:45
Subject: Re:Military observations on Ukraine invasion
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
Yes, thanks.
I am the one who pointed out the poster is Jewish. It matters because:
- Putin has demanded Ukraine undergo “de-Nazification” - except Ukraine is led by a fairly elected Jewish leader, and there are virtually NO nazis in Ukraine.
I said “virtually” because, technically, a tiny number of neo-nazis exist in the US, more in Russia itself, and probably a tiny number in Ukraine.
But only an utter fool - a true idiot - would make the argument the US is a “Nazi country,” that Russia is a “Nazi country,” or “Ukraine is a Nazi country.”
This “nazi” argument is the most idiotic claim I’ve heard from a world leader recently.
- yet Putin continues to make it.
Therefore, I believe it IS important to point out President Zelensky’s Jewish heritage, as well as the Twitter poster’s Jewish heritage.
Now do you understand why?
Well why is Israel on the Russians side in this war? Do they believe the Ukraine is full of nazis?
Israel is NOT on Russia's side. For example, it was one of the countries that voted for the UN resolution today. It is not against Russia, at least not as strongly as EU, US etc but that has nothing to do with worries about Nazis and everything with geopolitical issues Israel views as important to itself - for example it coordinates with Russia in Syria, targeting Iran-backed forces. Its relative forbearance of Russia has everything to do with Israel's concerns about Iran and needing Russia not to be against its actions in the Middle East and nothing to do with nazis or lack thereof in Ukraine (or Russia.(
I don't think Israel is a fan of either Russia or Ukraine, they may not actually give a shit.
Anonymous
03/24/2022 22:34
Subject: Re:Military observations on Ukraine invasion
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
Yes, thanks.
I am the one who pointed out the poster is Jewish. It matters because:
- Putin has demanded Ukraine undergo “de-Nazification” - except Ukraine is led by a fairly elected Jewish leader, and there are virtually NO nazis in Ukraine.
I said “virtually” because, technically, a tiny number of neo-nazis exist in the US, more in Russia itself, and probably a tiny number in Ukraine.
But only an utter fool - a true idiot - would make the argument the US is a “Nazi country,” that Russia is a “Nazi country,” or “Ukraine is a Nazi country.”
This “nazi” argument is the most idiotic claim I’ve heard from a world leader recently.
- yet Putin continues to make it.
Therefore, I believe it IS important to point out President Zelensky’s Jewish heritage, as well as the Twitter poster’s Jewish heritage.
Now do you understand why?
Well why is Israel on the Russians side in this war? Do they believe the Ukraine is full of nazis?
Because Israel exists to save itself, oh naive one, not anybody else. And they don't care about sovereign anything - they're pushing out Palestinians from their own lands as we speak, in defiance of international law, (while being bankrolled by the USA - and then people wonder why the Middle East hates us). They don't care how evil Putin is. They don't want to destabilize the fragile status quo in their neck of the woods.
Yeah, I responded below. This is one of the factors, like I said, it's complicated with Israel. I mentioned also that Israel literally is a home of majority of Ukrainian Jews of which not many are left in Ukraine.. Zelenskiy might actually be a unicorn.. most of them are gone, Israel accepted everyone regardless, USA was harder to get into, but many went there, some went to Canada and Australia, there was real legitimate Jewish exodus from Ukraine because it did have one of the largest Jewish populations. Brighton Beach is like mini Odessa
Anonymous
03/24/2022 22:31
Subject: Re:Military observations on Ukraine invasion
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
Yes, thanks.
I am the one who pointed out the poster is Jewish. It matters because:
- Putin has demanded Ukraine undergo “de-Nazification” - except Ukraine is led by a fairly elected Jewish leader, and there are virtually NO nazis in Ukraine.
I said “virtually” because, technically, a tiny number of neo-nazis exist in the US, more in Russia itself, and probably a tiny number in Ukraine.
But only an utter fool - a true idiot - would make the argument the US is a “Nazi country,” that Russia is a “Nazi country,” or “Ukraine is a Nazi country.”
This “nazi” argument is the most idiotic claim I’ve heard from a world leader recently.
- yet Putin continues to make it.
Therefore, I believe it IS important to point out President Zelensky’s Jewish heritage, as well as the Twitter poster’s Jewish heritage.
Now do you understand why?
Well why is Israel on the Russians side in this war? Do they believe the Ukraine is full of nazis?
From what I understand, Israel had the largest immigration wave of Ukrainian Jews who left USSR in the 80s and 90s. Loads of Jewish Ukrainians there as a result of this. They may have their own opinions given that some of them survived WW2 in Ukraine. Google Bandera, Babi Yar, etc. Not saying this is the case, as it's likely a lot more complicated and grounded on geo-politics and economic situation.
Anonymous
03/24/2022 22:12
Subject: Re:Military observations on Ukraine invasion
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
Yes, thanks.
I am the one who pointed out the poster is Jewish. It matters because:
- Putin has demanded Ukraine undergo “de-Nazification” - except Ukraine is led by a fairly elected Jewish leader, and there are virtually NO nazis in Ukraine.
I said “virtually” because, technically, a tiny number of neo-nazis exist in the US, more in Russia itself, and probably a tiny number in Ukraine.
But only an utter fool - a true idiot - would make the argument the US is a “Nazi country,” that Russia is a “Nazi country,” or “Ukraine is a Nazi country.”
This “nazi” argument is the most idiotic claim I’ve heard from a world leader recently.
- yet Putin continues to make it.
Therefore, I believe it IS important to point out President Zelensky’s Jewish heritage, as well as the Twitter poster’s Jewish heritage.
Now do you understand why?
Well why is Israel on the Russians side in this war? Do they believe the Ukraine is full of nazis?
Because Israel exists to save itself, oh naive one, not anybody else. And they don't care about sovereign anything - they're pushing out Palestinians from their own lands as we speak, in defiance of international law, (while being bankrolled by the USA - and then people wonder why the Middle East hates us). They don't care how evil Putin is. They don't want to destabilize the fragile status quo in their neck of the woods.
Anonymous
03/24/2022 21:11
Subject: Military observations on Ukraine invasion
Anonymous wrote:Russia not targeting any red states, despite the fact that much of our nuclear arsenal in such states and as is CENTCOM.
Things that make you go "Hmmmmmmmmmmm"
You are an inane, simple, bafflingly partisan idiot.
Anonymous
03/24/2022 21:10
Subject: Re:Military observations on Ukraine invasion
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
Yes, thanks.
I am the one who pointed out the poster is Jewish. It matters because:
- Putin has demanded Ukraine undergo “de-Nazification” - except Ukraine is led by a fairly elected Jewish leader, and there are virtually NO nazis in Ukraine.
I said “virtually” because, technically, a tiny number of neo-nazis exist in the US, more in Russia itself, and probably a tiny number in Ukraine.
But only an utter fool - a true idiot - would make the argument the US is a “Nazi country,” that Russia is a “Nazi country,” or “Ukraine is a Nazi country.”
This “nazi” argument is the most idiotic claim I’ve heard from a world leader recently.
- yet Putin continues to make it.
Therefore, I believe it IS important to point out President Zelensky’s Jewish heritage, as well as the Twitter poster’s Jewish heritage.
Now do you understand why?
Well why is Israel on the Russians side in this war? Do they believe the Ukraine is full of nazis?
Israel is NOT on Russia's side. For example, it was one of the countries that voted for the UN resolution today. It is not against Russia, at least not as strongly as EU, US etc but that has nothing to do with worries about Nazis and everything with geopolitical issues Israel views as important to itself - for example it coordinates with Russia in Syria, targeting Iran-backed forces. Its relative forbearance of Russia has everything to do with Israel's concerns about Iran and needing Russia not to be against its actions in the Middle East and nothing to do with nazis or lack thereof in Ukraine (or Russia.(
Anonymous
03/24/2022 20:38
Subject: Re:Military observations on Ukraine invasion
Well there is that fringe Azov group in the Ukraine National Guard. They are Nazis. But we probably have more in our armed forces.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/sep/10/azov-far-right-fighters-ukraine-neo-nazis
Anonymous
03/24/2022 20:37
Subject: Re:Military observations on Ukraine invasion
Anonymous wrote:
Yes, thanks.
I am the one who pointed out the poster is Jewish. It matters because:
- Putin has demanded Ukraine undergo “de-Nazification” - except Ukraine is led by a fairly elected Jewish leader, and there are virtually NO nazis in Ukraine.
I said “virtually” because, technically, a tiny number of neo-nazis exist in the US, more in Russia itself, and probably a tiny number in Ukraine.
But only an utter fool - a true idiot - would make the argument the US is a “Nazi country,” that Russia is a “Nazi country,” or “Ukraine is a Nazi country.”
This “nazi” argument is the most idiotic claim I’ve heard from a world leader recently.
- yet Putin continues to make it.
Therefore, I believe it IS important to point out President Zelensky’s Jewish heritage, as well as the Twitter poster’s Jewish heritage.
Now do you understand why?
Well why is Israel on the Russians side in this war? Do they believe the Ukraine is full of nazis?
Anonymous
03/24/2022 20:24
Subject: Re:Military observations on Ukraine invasion
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
Who believes this?Please.
Such claims are exclusively aimed for domestic consumption, folks.
Putin does not expect anyone else to buy them. He controls (or thinks he does) the Russian media. All the Russian people are supposed to see are these claims on TV, Putin standing up to the West, liberating lands, etc…
Seeing a lot of Africans on social media buying into the "standing up to the West" garbage as if Putin is some kind of savior saint. It's sickening.
From where?
Anonymous
03/24/2022 20:18
Subject: Re:Military observations on Ukraine invasion
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
Who believes this?
Such claims are exclusively aimed for domestic consumption, folks.
Putin does not expect anyone else to buy them. He controls (or thinks he does) the Russian media. All the Russian people are supposed to see are these claims on TV, Putin standing up to the West, liberating lands, etc…
Seeing a lot of Africans on social media buying into the "standing up to the West" garbage as if Putin is some kind of savior saint. It's sickening.
Anonymous
03/24/2022 19:07
Subject: Re:Military observations on Ukraine invasion
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
Who believes this?
Such claims are exclusively aimed for domestic consumption, folks.
Putin does not expect anyone else to buy them. He controls (or thinks he does) the Russian media. All the Russian people are supposed to see are these claims on TV, Putin standing up to the West, liberating lands, etc…
Certain Putin-loving right wingers here believe them.
Anonymous
03/24/2022 18:47
Subject: Re:Military observations on Ukraine invasion
Anonymous wrote:
Who believes this?
Such claims are exclusively aimed for domestic consumption, folks.
Putin does not expect anyone else to buy them. He controls (or thinks he does) the Russian media. All the Russian people are supposed to see are these claims on TV, Putin standing up to the West, liberating lands, etc…
Anonymous
03/24/2022 18:21
Subject: Re:Military observations on Ukraine invasion
“The 2008 invasion of Georgia, which dealt a setback to the small former Soviet republic but revealed incompetence and weakness on Russia’s part, led to plans to reequip and reform Putin’s armed forces. Those efforts have manifestly failed. This says a good deal about the lack of idealism, probity, and sense of duty within his regime. How this can change at such a late and crucial stage in the Ukraine invasion is very hard to see.”
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/03/putin-doesnt-realize-how-much-warfare-has-changed/627600/
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/03/putin-doesnt-realize-how-much-warfare-has-changed/627600/
Anonymous
03/24/2022 18:12
Subject: Re:Military observations on Ukraine invasion