Anonymous
10/27/2021 18:33
Subject: Alec Baldwin fatally shot someone on movie set with gun mishap
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I think that if Alec isn't at fault, the AD can't be at fault either. It's either one or all of them. But it doesn't make sense to me that Alec gets a pass on his safety infractions but the AD doesn't.
That said, I'm looking forward to hearing what the cops decide and I trust their judgment to assess the facts and assign blame.
I do think that movie sets are too dangerous, after hearing about all of this and the fact that it's normal to point guns at people and pull triggers. That's got to stop.
This is 2021 and the last time an actor was shot and killed on set was in 1993.
What is your definition of "too dangerous"?
Here is a list of injuries and deaths during filming. What does this say to you?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_film_and_television_accidents
I think it's dangerous because of the culture. On this thread and elsewhere, people are saying that playing fast and loose with things like guns is fine because it's for a movie. That's not fine, in my opinion. I don't think we need to endanger people or ignore safety for movies. I have family that works on sets and I didn't realize this was the attitude and I don't like it.
No one who actually works on movie sets has ever said that what was happening on Rust was ok. Maybe you should have a conversation with your family members, provided they are members of the IA.
+1
Everyone, both current crew members, ones who left, and ones who never came on, said it was a reckless sloppy movie set. Not how they should be, not how they are.
Anonymous
10/27/2021 18:30
Subject: Alec Baldwin fatally shot someone on movie set with gun mishap
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I think that if Alec isn't at fault, the AD can't be at fault either. It's either one or all of them. But it doesn't make sense to me that Alec gets a pass on his safety infractions but the AD doesn't.
That said, I'm looking forward to hearing what the cops decide and I trust their judgment to assess the facts and assign blame.
I do think that movie sets are too dangerous, after hearing about all of this and the fact that it's normal to point guns at people and pull triggers. That's got to stop.
This is 2021 and the last time an actor was shot and killed on set was in 1993.
What is your definition of "too dangerous"?
Here is a list of injuries and deaths during filming. What does this say to you?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_film_and_television_accidents
I think it's dangerous because of the culture. On this thread and elsewhere, people are saying that playing fast and loose with things like guns is fine because it's for a movie. That's not fine, in my opinion. I don't think we need to endanger people or ignore safety for movies. I have family that works on sets and I didn't realize this was the attitude and I don't like it.
No one who actually works on movie sets has ever said that what was happening on Rust was ok. Maybe you should have a conversation with your family members, provided they are members of the IA.
Anonymous
10/27/2021 18:28
Subject: Alec Baldwin fatally shot someone on movie set with gun mishap
Anonymous wrote:The person holding the gun when it goes off is ultimately responsible for what happens.
NO ONE should be let off the hook because they relied on someone else to check to see if the gun is safe. Had this been ANYONE in the "real" world that this happened to, the person holding the gun is responsible for that death and that injury. I can't go to court and say, "my buddy told me it was unloaded right before I killed that person" and be let off the hook.
It wasn’t the real world. It was a movie set.
Anonymous
10/27/2021 18:27
Subject: Alec Baldwin fatally shot someone on movie set with gun mishap
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The argument is going in circles but some of these analogies are just not on point. I can make up others for the other side.
" I can't go to court and say, "my buddy told me it was unloaded right before I killed that person" and be let off the hook."
The AD wasn't AB's "buddy." It was part of his job to check the gun and he has admitted he didn't do it right.
Say someone went to a firing range for a lesson. He was paying for the lesson. The firing range hired the instructor. The instructor checked the gun and told the student it was empty and they were just going to practice first without using ammunition. The student pulled the trigger--we don't know if AB did--and the gun was loaded and someone got hurt.
Are you still going to hold the student responsible?
That would never happen because the first thing the tell you at any gun range is you are the person responsible for the gun, then they teach you how to check. That's the point people are missing. You can claim it is someone elses job, but the final check is the responsibility of the person with the gun, actor or not. Like posted before, if someone shot AB and tried to blame another person, this thread would be arguing the other side
No it wouldn’t. Some of us can think critically and aren’t conflating this incident with our personal politics.
Anonymous
10/27/2021 18:19
Subject: Alec Baldwin fatally shot someone on movie set with gun mishap
Currently, the DA seems to be focusing on the armorer wrt the possibility of a criminal charge of involuntary manslaughter.
Anonymous
10/27/2021 18:13
Subject: Alec Baldwin fatally shot someone on movie set with gun mishap
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Part of the reason workers had walked off the set earlier that day was because of severe sleep deprivation. Long hours were demanded, and workers were forced to drive an hour each way because the low-budget production prevented close-by lodging. Um, was Alec Baldwin reduced low-budget lodging? He still may have been severely sleep-deprived if he's such a party animal.
Well that excuses him he killed her because he was tired oh that changes everything I guess no charges for him then
I was not aware that being tired is a good enough excuse for killing somebody
On the contrary, based on what we know so far, I think Baldwin should be changed with involuntarily manslaughter. But because NM is loaded with Libs, Baldwin will never be held accountable for his reckless shooting.
Have you been listening to Turley again? The good professor has lost his marbles.
Anonymous
10/27/2021 18:08
Subject: Alec Baldwin fatally shot someone on movie set with gun mishap
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Part of the reason workers had walked off the set earlier that day was because of severe sleep deprivation. Long hours were demanded, and workers were forced to drive an hour each way because the low-budget production prevented close-by lodging. Um, was Alec Baldwin reduced low-budget lodging? He still may have been severely sleep-deprived if he's such a party animal.
Well that excuses him he killed her because he was tired oh that changes everything I guess no charges for him then
I was not aware that being tired is a good enough excuse for killing somebody
On the contrary, based on what we know so far, I think Baldwin should be changed with involuntarily manslaughter. But because NM is loaded with Libs, Baldwin will never be held accountable for his reckless shooting.
Anonymous
10/27/2021 18:04
Subject: Alec Baldwin fatally shot someone on movie set with gun mishap
Anonymous wrote:Part of the reason workers had walked off the set earlier that day was because of severe sleep deprivation. Long hours were demanded, and workers were forced to drive an hour each way because the low-budget production prevented close-by lodging. Um, was Alec Baldwin reduced low-budget lodging? He still may have been severely sleep-deprived if he's such a party animal.
Well that excuses him he killed her because he was tired oh that changes everything I guess no charges for him then
I was not aware that being tired is a good enough excuse for killing somebody
Anonymous
10/27/2021 18:00
Subject: Alec Baldwin fatally shot someone on movie set with gun mishap
Part of the reason workers had walked off the set earlier that day was because of severe sleep deprivation. Long hours were demanded, and workers were forced to drive an hour each way because the low-budget production prevented close-by lodging. Um, was Alec Baldwin reduced low-budget lodging? He still may have been severely sleep-deprived if he's such a party animal.
Anonymous
10/27/2021 17:55
Subject: Alec Baldwin fatally shot someone on movie set with gun mishap
Oh, and add to the above that the secret service agent admitted he hadn't thoroughly checked the gun before telling DT there were no bullets in it.
Anonymous
10/27/2021 17:50
Subject: Alec Baldwin fatally shot someone on movie set with gun mishap
"If Donald Trump killed someone with a gun someone said was not loaded, would you say "no big deal"
First nobody is saying it's "no big deal" that AB killed someone.
But lets assume that the secret service agent assigned to protect DT handed DT a gun and said "I checked. There are no bullets in it, so it's okay to shoot" and then DT shot the gun and someone was killed. Would I blame DT? No I would not, assuming there were half a dozen witnesses I have no reason to doubt who all told the police that the secret service agent said he had checked the gun and it was empty.
First nobody is saying it's "no big deal" that AB killed someone.
But lets assume that the secret service agent assigned to protect DT handed DT a gun and said "I checked. There are no bullets in it, so it's okay to shoot" and then DT shot the gun and someone was killed. Would I blame DT? No I would not, assuming there were half a dozen witnesses I have no reason to doubt who all told the police that the secret service agent said he had checked the gun and it was empty.
Anonymous
10/27/2021 17:49
Subject: Alec Baldwin fatally shot someone on movie set with gun mishap
Anonymous wrote:Ok, let's try this. If Donald Trump killed someone with a gun someone said was not loaded, would you say "no big deal"
That is a ridiculous reach. And his spawn is horrible with that T-shirt nonsense.
Anonymous
10/27/2021 17:39
Subject: Alec Baldwin fatally shot someone on movie set with gun mishap
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Holy crap, the cops recovered 500 rounds of ammo from the set. These people were doomed. So sad. https://samsung.tribunecontentagency.com/2021/10/27/sheriff-lead-bullet-fatally-struck-rust-cinematographer-500-rounds-of-ammo-recovered-on-set-2/
All from "anti-gun" Libs. Their hypocrisy is jolting.
Wake up, y'all.
This is for you, 17:37.
Anonymous
10/27/2021 17:38
Subject: Alec Baldwin fatally shot someone on movie set with gun mishap
Anonymous wrote:Holy crap, the cops recovered 500 rounds of ammo from the set. These people were doomed. So sad. https://samsung.tribunecontentagency.com/2021/10/27/sheriff-lead-bullet-fatally-struck-rust-cinematographer-500-rounds-of-ammo-recovered-on-set-2/
This is mostly? entirely? blanks. This was a Western, with shootouts. They would've needed lots of ammo for the shooting.
It sounds like some of the ammo were regular bullets, though, that someone, the armorer or someone else, brought on the set for fun.
Anonymous
10/27/2021 17:37
Subject: Alec Baldwin fatally shot someone on movie set with gun mishap
Ok, let's try this. If Donald Trump killed someone with a gun someone said was not loaded, would you say "no big deal"