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Anonymous wrote:Good point ! She knew the lay of the land.

Sometimes I feel gals like her and her internet besties were Christian to be different as teens and young adults . Now, they are all jettisoning faith or embracing progressive versions of it to distance themselves

Yeah, it is curious that her friend and sibling groups seem to have morphed with her. Nobody seems shocked by her lifestyle, her bragging about sleeping with boyfriend, swearing and vulgar talk, progressive stance, extreme materialism etc - you’d think if they were all “good christian girls” together at one time that someone, somewhere might be appalled by the new Jen - but no one seems to be.

That's because Jen's celebrity Christianity ultimately never really had anything to do with genuine Christianity in the first place and many of the people who glommed onto it were never really interested in the real thing. They were more interested in being cool, feeling good about themselves, having a good time, or having the approval of mainstream culture than they were in following Jesus.

I spent over 10 years in a church plant where a large number of the women were really into Jen Hatmaker, Glennon Doyle, and other pop, progressive Christian celebrities and those women were largely spiritual disasters. Eventually, the church plant failed and the disastrous influence of those women and the voices they listened to, like Jen, were a part of the reason for that failure.

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Anonymous wrote:Good point ! She knew the lay of the land.

Sometimes I feel gals like her and her internet besties were Christian to be different as teens and young adults . Now, they are all jettisoning faith or embracing progressive versions of it to distance themselves

Yeah, it is curious that her friend and sibling groups seem to have morphed with her. Nobody seems shocked by her lifestyle, her bragging about sleeping with boyfriend, swearing and vulgar talk, progressive stance, extreme materialism etc - you’d think if they were all “good christian girls” together at one time that someone, somewhere might be appalled by the new Jen - but no one seems to be.

Anonymous wrote:Regarding Tylers latest post….young whippersnapper?? umm….

Anonymous wrote:Good point ! She knew the lay of the land.

Sometimes I feel gals like her and her internet besties were Christian to be different as teens and young adults . Now, they are all jettisoning faith or embracing progressive versions of it to distance themselves

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Jen’s older writing about her grandma who owned the furs was so funny- I think it was in one of her Bible studies from back in the early days. Apparently her grandma always looked great even in the nursing home.
All those furs make me think someone had money- was this Jen’s mom?


I think she said Grandma King, so likely it was her dad's mom. I'd love to read about that if anyone could post it here or share where to find it. I like her best when she's funny.

I think it was in "Ms. Understood: Rebuilding the Feminine Equation." IIRC, in this book, her humor was sarcastic but not bitingly so, and had some warmth. It also showed that she had seriously studied some of the Bible and the stories of certain women in the Old Testament, and was good at teaching about women to a female audience.
This is why many of us are aghast at her current self. It was a projection no one could have predicted, with the uncaring "boyfriend," public criticism of her youngest, relentless selling, and Jesus being a bit player in her life.

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Jen’s older writing about her grandma who owned the furs was so funny- I think it was in one of her Bible studies from back in the early days. Apparently her grandma always looked great even in the nursing home.
All those furs make me think someone had money- was this Jen’s mom?


I think she said Grandma King, so likely it was her dad's mom. I'd love to read about that if anyone could post it here or share where to find it. I like her best when she's funny.

Anonymous wrote:Jen’s older writing about her grandma who owned the furs was so funny- I think it was in one of her Bible studies from back in the early days. Apparently her grandma always looked great even in the nursing home.
All those furs make me think someone had money- was this Jen’s mom?

Anonymous wrote:I’m guessing that she loved that stage of life so much because that’s when they made the most money. Maybe she thinks if she goes back to that content, the money will pour in again. She’s a bit delusional though because that ship has sailed and she’s almost in grandma territory. The world of influencers has changed a lot since 2011. Even for the olds like her who used to shill for Able and similar brands, have all pivoted away from sponsorships towards paid insta accounts and/or Patreon accounts (with a substack thrown in). I’m surprised no one in her sphere has recommended she do this. The mecourse thing is weird. Again, most of the olds will do virtual workshops or in-person workshops in a unique and expensive setting. Her idea of this is some tacky cruise on a ship that looks like it should have been retired 20 years ago. I don’t know who is advising her but they’re not doing it well. I would tell her to say no to the endorsements that don’t fit her brand. She can’t seem to do this and takes all of the crumbs which cheapens her brand and doesn’t give anyone an idea of who she is. She also should evolve her writing. She’s still stuck in the “dear ones”, “beloveds”, “I see you” phase. Move past this. No one writes like this anymore. Write like you’re a 50 year old woman who has experience and wisdom from life. What lessons have you learned from all of that living? That you’re happy you’re adult children don’t sh!& their pants? Maybe dig a little deeper and go beneath the surface and see what’s really there.