Anonymous
06/23/2021 10:08
Subject: Why don’t Americans give a f*** about what they eat?
I hand wash my dishes, clean my own house and do my own shopping. So do most Americans.
Anonymous
06/23/2021 09:51
Subject: Why don’t Americans give a f*** about what they eat?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I had been putting oat milk in my coffee and just found out that it is more like pitting sugary pancake syrup in my coffee. I have a PhD and I can't figure out what to eat! At least I can afford a nutritionist. Why is it so complicated?
My DD is lactose intolerant so she started drinking Almond Milk. I searched for the purist almond milk I could find, that only had Almonds and Water, and could only find 1 brand (I think it may have salt or 1 other ingredient). The solution? Make my own. It's quite simple, tastes better and I can make it in smaller batches. You can do the same for Oat Milk.
Yes more labor! Just work harder! That’s a winning solution for all!
Well, it isn’t like people are hand washing clothes, dishes, ironing, cleaning their own houses or even physically driving themselves to grocery stores and doing their own shopping. So sure, squeeze some almonds. Let’s not pretend we are all “so busy”
Anonymous
06/23/2021 09:48
Subject: Re:Why don’t Americans give a f*** about what they eat?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Awesome example of why we need the feds involved in nutrition standards, in spite of what the FREEDOM crowd says:
Outshine No Sugar Added Strawberry Fruit Ice Bars
https://www.outshinesnacks.com/en/products/frozen-...bars/no-sugar-added-strawberry
Third ingredient? Sorbitol. Which is another word for sugar. Not that they intend to confuse people, of course.
I'm all for people making their own food choices, but in order to do that, we need to have legit information. And we don't.
Sorbitol is a sugar alcohol, which is a separate thing and likely can't legally be listed as "sugar" on an ingredient list. Should the label include a detailed explanation of the difference between sugar and sugar alcohols? Maybe. But I don't think we are going to get dire warnings about every type of sweetener on food packaging, esp. on a snack with just a few grams of carbs.
Anyway, I don't think anyone is having serious weight and overall health issues caused by buying Outshine bars.
Our current food system allows manufacturers to sell things as healthy, aka sugar free, because they use sorbitol or aspartame or hfcs instead. It’s fraudulent.
They listed it on the box as what it is: sugar free. I don’t find anything to be misleading and they aren’t calling it heathy. An Outshine bar is a treat and meant to be a dessert. Something sweet when you want something sweet. At 90 calories and 4 grams of sugar, no one is getting over weight from too many outshine bars after dinner.
+1
They’d get diarrhea before they had any blood sugar issues.
Guys. Everyone knows that “sugar free” on a clearly sweet thing - popsicles, juice, yogurt, etc - means “fake sugar.” That’s what it means in this country. The phrase you’ll find to indicate that no sweetener has been added is “no sugar added.” This isn’t difficult.
Except that the example cited above says “no sugar added.” So, no.
They’re popsicles! No one buys them thinking they’re healthy. No one!
Funny how they call them fruit bars instead of popsicles though, huh? It’s almost like they’re trying to make you think they’re, I dunno, healthier?
The first two ingredients are water and fruit. Seems appropriate they are called fruit bars. Popsicles typically contain no real fruit/juice.
Fruit bar: puree the fruit, freeze into the mold. No added sugars, no extra chemicals. Literally just frozen fruit.
The fact that anyone *must* analyze nutritional labels to figure out exactly what they're eating (because it's generally not the same as advertised) is why the FDA and consumer protection entities exist. Marketers for substances meant for consumption should be an occupation regulated as closely as law and medicine.
Omg. You have issues. It really doesn’t matter. Americans are obese because they gorge on terrible high calorie food and don’t move. It isn’t the outshine bar and it’s few grams of fake sugar. You could one every day it it wouldn’t make a dent in your weight.
It’s ONE example! We could make it easier on the consumer by instituting a simple stoplight label on the front of packaging: green for anytime foods, yellow for things with more added sugar, fat and salt, red for things that should be eaten sparingly. Then people wouldn’t have to invest time in reading the fine print. But manufacturers have fought that for decades.
Putting stoplight labels on food is not feasible. Different people have different nutritional needs. Kids vs adults, diabetic vs non-diabetic, allergies, metabolic disorders, athletes vs sedentary, etc.
That’s why the current nutrition info is ideal. It tells you grams of fiber, protein, carbs, added sugars, ingredients, GF?, whatever you want to know. Individuals can choose what is appropriate for themselves. The government or food corps don’t know and should not label a food good or bad because it’s different for different people.
Example. A lot of of people avoid carbs. I train for marathons and in the days leading up to a race, I look for high carb foods. On a regular week, I’ll look for high protein. I avoid fake foods and preservatives as much as possible always. Sometimes I need low fiber, refined carbs for instant energy, sometimes not. Some days I’ll crave salt and eat a bag of potato chips and I don’t consider it a “bad” food. Some days I crave a big hamburger and fries—my body tells me this is “good”.
I have family members with celiac—what works for me, might not work for them.
The UK seems to find it feasible: https://www.nutrition.org.uk/healthyliving/helpingyoueatwell/324-labels.html?start=3#:~:text=Using%20the%20government%20scheme%2C%20a,calories%20and%20kilojoules)%20it%20provides.
I'd also add that they do a MUCH better job on allergen labeling for restaurant menus.
Anonymous
06/23/2021 09:34
Subject: Why don’t Americans give a f*** about what they eat?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I had been putting oat milk in my coffee and just found out that it is more like pitting sugary pancake syrup in my coffee. I have a PhD and I can't figure out what to eat! At least I can afford a nutritionist. Why is it so complicated?
My DD is lactose intolerant so she started drinking Almond Milk. I searched for the purist almond milk I could find, that only had Almonds and Water, and could only find 1 brand (I think it may have salt or 1 other ingredient). The solution? Make my own. It's quite simple, tastes better and I can make it in smaller batches. You can do the same for Oat Milk.
Yes more labor! Just work harder! That’s a winning solution for all!
Raise your own cows, become a butcher, grow almond trees in town…
Those are the magic solutions
Anonymous
06/23/2021 09:25
Subject: Why don’t Americans give a f*** about what they eat?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I had been putting oat milk in my coffee and just found out that it is more like pitting sugary pancake syrup in my coffee. I have a PhD and I can't figure out what to eat! At least I can afford a nutritionist. Why is it so complicated?
My DD is lactose intolerant so she started drinking Almond Milk. I searched for the purist almond milk I could find, that only had Almonds and Water, and could only find 1 brand (I think it may have salt or 1 other ingredient). The solution? Make my own. It's quite simple, tastes better and I can make it in smaller batches. You can do the same for Oat Milk.
Actually it isn’t. Most oat mills they don’t “add” in additional sugar- look at the ingredients. But how they have to squeeze and process the oats, the natural sugars in the oats separate in the “milking” process so when everything is put together for the final product it has to be labeled as “added” sugar. Though it really isn’t. It is from carbohydrates that were already present in the oats pre-milking. The kind you make it home will have the same amount of sugar.
Anonymous
06/23/2021 08:36
Subject: Why don’t Americans give a f*** about what they eat?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I had been putting oat milk in my coffee and just found out that it is more like pitting sugary pancake syrup in my coffee. I have a PhD and I can't figure out what to eat! At least I can afford a nutritionist. Why is it so complicated?
My DD is lactose intolerant so she started drinking Almond Milk. I searched for the purist almond milk I could find, that only had Almonds and Water, and could only find 1 brand (I think it may have salt or 1 other ingredient). The solution? Make my own. It's quite simple, tastes better and I can make it in smaller batches. You can do the same for Oat Milk.
Yes more labor! Just work harder! That’s a winning solution for all!
Anonymous
06/23/2021 08:35
Subject: Why don’t Americans give a f*** about what they eat?
Anonymous wrote:I had been putting oat milk in my coffee and just found out that it is more like pitting sugary pancake syrup in my coffee. I have a PhD and I can't figure out what to eat! At least I can afford a nutritionist. Why is it so complicated?
My DD is lactose intolerant so she started drinking Almond Milk. I searched for the purist almond milk I could find, that only had Almonds and Water, and could only find 1 brand (I think it may have salt or 1 other ingredient). The solution? Make my own. It's quite simple, tastes better and I can make it in smaller batches. You can do the same for Oat Milk.
Anonymous
06/23/2021 08:32
Subject: Why don’t Americans give a f*** about what they eat?
https://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2016/08/12/486898630/chile-battles-obesity-with-stop-signs-on-packaged-foods
Here’s an article about the Chile thing. This isn’t a uniquely American problem. Almost 70% of Chileans are overweight or obese.
Here’s an article about the Chile thing. This isn’t a uniquely American problem. Almost 70% of Chileans are overweight or obese.
Anonymous
06/23/2021 08:27
Subject: Why don’t Americans give a f*** about what they eat?
Chile put black box warning labels on junk food. Parents stopped buying it as much. Their sky high obesity rates are falling.
In America, the only solution we offer to societal problems is personal responsibility. That’s the way our capitalist overlords like it. It’s no wonder our levels of anxiety and depression are sky high. This forum is next level though….with all the trolls specifically here to add to parents (let’s be real though mostly moms) shame and sense of failure. But we’re not failures. We’re trying to stay afloat.
In America, the only solution we offer to societal problems is personal responsibility. That’s the way our capitalist overlords like it. It’s no wonder our levels of anxiety and depression are sky high. This forum is next level though….with all the trolls specifically here to add to parents (let’s be real though mostly moms) shame and sense of failure. But we’re not failures. We’re trying to stay afloat.
Anonymous
06/23/2021 07:59
Subject: Why don’t Americans give a f*** about what they eat?
Anonymous wrote:Did you know that 1 in 10 Americans has diabetes and 1 in 3 is pre-diabetic?
I’m an immigrant. After living in this country for 15 years I’m now a pre-diabetic. So I’m watching what I eat.
I’m constantly in owe that after documentaries, articles, shows about obesity and diabetes problems in this country the junk food is offered at EVERY corner everywhere you go.
Subway is not allowed to market their “bread” as bread in Europe because its a concoction of some chemicals and fillers. The same with Taco Bell meat.
Forget fast food restaurants. Most restaurants’s food here is low quality.
I’m in Nashville in upscale hotel and for breakfast they offer donuts, muffins, fake eggs and some strange tasting bacon.
My DC goes to a private school and she gets candy from teachers every day. Every event doesn’t go without cookies, cupcakes, cakes, etc. Every American toddler gets a daily dose of fish crackers, animal crackers and orang puffs. They love low quality past with powered cheese. Every kids party has pizza.
Where does it end? What the actual f***?
Why are we not flooding restaurants and stores with high quality food? Why don’t we scrutinise school lunches menus? Have you seen what our kids eat?
Why no one cares about this?
You are putting all Americans in the same bag just because you are in a hotel and go to a few restaurants? Why the heck are you being so vulgar using the f word?
Other posters would say you are low class. Enjoy the sausage and the strange tasting bacon, dear. They match your “low class”.
Anonymous
06/23/2021 07:50
Subject: Re:Why don’t Americans give a f*** about what they eat?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Awesome example of why we need the feds involved in nutrition standards, in spite of what the FREEDOM crowd says:
Outshine No Sugar Added Strawberry Fruit Ice Bars
https://www.outshinesnacks.com/en/products/frozen-...bars/no-sugar-added-strawberry
Third ingredient? Sorbitol. Which is another word for sugar. Not that they intend to confuse people, of course.
I'm all for people making their own food choices, but in order to do that, we need to have legit information. And we don't.
Sorbitol is a sugar alcohol, which is a separate thing and likely can't legally be listed as "sugar" on an ingredient list. Should the label include a detailed explanation of the difference between sugar and sugar alcohols? Maybe. But I don't think we are going to get dire warnings about every type of sweetener on food packaging, esp. on a snack with just a few grams of carbs.
Anyway, I don't think anyone is having serious weight and overall health issues caused by buying Outshine bars.
Our current food system allows manufacturers to sell things as healthy, aka sugar free, because they use sorbitol or aspartame or hfcs instead. It’s fraudulent.
They listed it on the box as what it is: sugar free. I don’t find anything to be misleading and they aren’t calling it heathy. An Outshine bar is a treat and meant to be a dessert. Something sweet when you want something sweet. At 90 calories and 4 grams of sugar, no one is getting over weight from too many outshine bars after dinner.
+1
They’d get diarrhea before they had any blood sugar issues.
Guys. Everyone knows that “sugar free” on a clearly sweet thing - popsicles, juice, yogurt, etc - means “fake sugar.” That’s what it means in this country. The phrase you’ll find to indicate that no sweetener has been added is “no sugar added.” This isn’t difficult.
Except that the example cited above says “no sugar added.” So, no.
They’re popsicles! No one buys them thinking they’re healthy. No one!
Funny how they call them fruit bars instead of popsicles though, huh? It’s almost like they’re trying to make you think they’re, I dunno, healthier?
The first two ingredients are water and fruit. Seems appropriate they are called fruit bars. Popsicles typically contain no real fruit/juice.
Fruit bar: puree the fruit, freeze into the mold. No added sugars, no extra chemicals. Literally just frozen fruit.
The fact that anyone *must* analyze nutritional labels to figure out exactly what they're eating (because it's generally not the same as advertised) is why the FDA and consumer protection entities exist. Marketers for substances meant for consumption should be an occupation regulated as closely as law and medicine.
Omg. You have issues. It really doesn’t matter. Americans are obese because they gorge on terrible high calorie food and don’t move. It isn’t the outshine bar and it’s few grams of fake sugar. You could one every day it it wouldn’t make a dent in your weight.
It’s ONE example! We could make it easier on the consumer by instituting a simple stoplight label on the front of packaging: green for anytime foods, yellow for things with more added sugar, fat and salt, red for things that should be eaten sparingly. Then people wouldn’t have to invest time in reading the fine print. But manufacturers have fought that for decades.
Putting stoplight labels on food is not feasible. Different people have different nutritional needs. Kids vs adults, diabetic vs non-diabetic, allergies, metabolic disorders, athletes vs sedentary, etc.
That’s why the current nutrition info is ideal. It tells you grams of fiber, protein, carbs, added sugars, ingredients, GF?, whatever you want to know. Individuals can choose what is appropriate for themselves. The government or food corps don’t know and should not label a food good or bad because it’s different for different people.
Example. A lot of of people avoid carbs. I train for marathons and in the days leading up to a race, I look for high carb foods. On a regular week, I’ll look for high protein. I avoid fake foods and preservatives as much as possible always. Sometimes I need low fiber, refined carbs for instant energy, sometimes not. Some days I’ll crave salt and eat a bag of potato chips and I don’t consider it a “bad” food. Some days I crave a big hamburger and fries—my body tells me this is “good”.
I have family members with celiac—what works for me, might not work for them.
Anonymous
06/23/2021 07:35
Subject: Re:Why don’t Americans give a f*** about what they eat?
Anonymous wrote:
Omg. You have issues. It really doesn’t matter. Americans are obese because they gorge on terrible high calorie food and don’t move. It isn’t the outshine bar and it’s few grams of fake sugar. You could one every day it it wouldn’t make a dent in your weight.
Are you a lobbyist for Nestle or something? Why are you so resistant to the idea of correctly labeling trash masquerading as food?
Anonymous
06/23/2021 07:32
Subject: Why don’t Americans give a f*** about what they eat?
They absolutely do! My FIL has Philly Cheesesteak, The Garlic Knot, some BBQ place, and a fancy bakery on a weekly rotation. He will only eat restaurant food and be pissed if he can't get the food on a day he wants it. He has a dessert every single day, and not any of that less sugar that Europeans like, proper full of sugar American treats like brownies. (This is actually a rant he goes on. When he goes on cruises they have European-type desserts which he finds lacking in properly loaded sugar taste.)
He is approaching 80, and he told us he will never be bedridden or infirm, he will go the way he wants to.
Nope, he'll not have a stroke and veg out and make us miserable, his arteries are perfect. No, he never checked them and he takes cholesterol meds but his arteries are fine, thank you very much.
Actually, joking aside, he is overweight in his belly, but he still works and walks at his work a ton, so his arteries might be perfectly fine in fact.
He is approaching 80, and he told us he will never be bedridden or infirm, he will go the way he wants to.
Nope, he'll not have a stroke and veg out and make us miserable, his arteries are perfect. No, he never checked them and he takes cholesterol meds but his arteries are fine, thank you very much.
Actually, joking aside, he is overweight in his belly, but he still works and walks at his work a ton, so his arteries might be perfectly fine in fact.
Anonymous
06/23/2021 07:17
Subject: Why don’t Americans give a f*** about what they eat?
I had been putting oat milk in my coffee and just found out that it is more like pitting sugary pancake syrup in my coffee. I have a PhD and I can't figure out what to eat! At least I can afford a nutritionist. Why is it so complicated?
Anonymous
06/23/2021 06:25
Subject: Re:Why don’t Americans give a f*** about what they eat?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Awesome example of why we need the feds involved in nutrition standards, in spite of what the FREEDOM crowd says:
Outshine No Sugar Added Strawberry Fruit Ice Bars
https://www.outshinesnacks.com/en/products/frozen-...bars/no-sugar-added-strawberry
Third ingredient? Sorbitol. Which is another word for sugar. Not that they intend to confuse people, of course.
I'm all for people making their own food choices, but in order to do that, we need to have legit information. And we don't.
Sorbitol is a sugar alcohol, which is a separate thing and likely can't legally be listed as "sugar" on an ingredient list. Should the label include a detailed explanation of the difference between sugar and sugar alcohols? Maybe. But I don't think we are going to get dire warnings about every type of sweetener on food packaging, esp. on a snack with just a few grams of carbs.
Anyway, I don't think anyone is having serious weight and overall health issues caused by buying Outshine bars.
Our current food system allows manufacturers to sell things as healthy, aka sugar free, because they use sorbitol or aspartame or hfcs instead. It’s fraudulent.
They listed it on the box as what it is: sugar free. I don’t find anything to be misleading and they aren’t calling it heathy. An Outshine bar is a treat and meant to be a dessert. Something sweet when you want something sweet. At 90 calories and 4 grams of sugar, no one is getting over weight from too many outshine bars after dinner.
+1
They’d get diarrhea before they had any blood sugar issues.
Guys. Everyone knows that “sugar free” on a clearly sweet thing - popsicles, juice, yogurt, etc - means “fake sugar.” That’s what it means in this country. The phrase you’ll find to indicate that no sweetener has been added is “no sugar added.” This isn’t difficult.
Except that the example cited above says “no sugar added.” So, no.
They’re popsicles! No one buys them thinking they’re healthy. No one!
Funny how they call them fruit bars instead of popsicles though, huh? It’s almost like they’re trying to make you think they’re, I dunno, healthier?
The first two ingredients are water and fruit. Seems appropriate they are called fruit bars. Popsicles typically contain no real fruit/juice.
Fruit bar: puree the fruit, freeze into the mold. No added sugars, no extra chemicals. Literally just frozen fruit.
The fact that anyone *must* analyze nutritional labels to figure out exactly what they're eating (because it's generally not the same as advertised) is why the FDA and consumer protection entities exist. Marketers for substances meant for consumption should be an occupation regulated as closely as law and medicine.
Omg. You have issues. It really doesn’t matter. Americans are obese because they gorge on terrible high calorie food and don’t move. It isn’t the outshine bar and it’s few grams of fake sugar. You could one every day it it wouldn’t make a dent in your weight.
It’s ONE example! We could make it easier on the consumer by instituting a simple stoplight label on the front of packaging: green for anytime foods, yellow for things with more added sugar, fat and salt, red for things that should be eaten sparingly. Then people wouldn’t have to invest time in reading the fine print. But manufacturers have fought that for decades.