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Anonymous wrote:I hope all of you people talking about how this is what Britney needs have been out there talking about how you think all the men who have been out of control deserved to have all their rights and autonomy stripped.

Justin Beiber was pretty messed up for awhile why isn't he under lock and key?
Johnny Depp has been drinking and spending his way into oblivion for a decade.
Shia LaBeoef has seemed on the edge of some kind of violent nervous breakdown for his entire adult life.

But we don't call them 'crazy' or strip them of their rights because they are men. So screw you guys and your serious internalized misogyny.

+1. We all know this would never happen to an extremely rich and successful man - no matter how outlandish his behavior.

Not a single one of these men endangered their kids (Johnny) or were foolish enough to have them when they were in a mentally ill space (Shia/Justin).

Britney's problem, among others, was that she locked herself in a bathroom with her toddlers and forced the police to break it down. After having questionable judgement regarding the kids in the first place. She was caught driving around with them in her lap with no seatbelt multiple times (a judge ruled she couldn't have them in her car anymore) and she dropped another one while looking high on meth.

Had she just had a mental breakdown with herself alone - I do not think the judge would have given Kevin Federline full custody of their shared kids and her own father full custody over herself.

I'm sorry why does having custody of your kids have ANY GD THING TO DO with whether or not she can have a cell phone or decide how to spend the money that she earned or have freedom of movement? Plenty of people do not have custody of their children and not lose control over their entire life.

And to the PP saying people called those men crazy YES they called them crazy but no one stepped in and robbed them of their rights to free will. Freedom to spend the money they EARNED.

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Custody of the kids is a completely separate issue from conservatorship, as it should be. Should she have more custody of her kids? Probably not. Should she have access to the money she earned? Absolutely. She was a young girl who was used to make a ton of money for a ton of people. She then wasn’t allowed to live her life the way she wanted. It’s so wrong on so many levels.

I’m also shocked that so many on this thread aren’t up in arms about forcing birth control on a grown woman. It’s deeply disturbing.

+1. Very good points!!

For me, it's that it's impossible to know what's really going on. My mom had mental illness, and she told everyone my dad was physically abusive to both her and us. So cousins and teachers would come up to me and try to talk to me about it. Only my father wasn't physically (or verbally) abusive. She was just making it up because she was paranoid and wanted people to take her side during their divorce. But people still believed her, and if I tried to explain, they acted like I was some poor abused kid in denial. Mental illness can be really confusing to sort out. So while, yes, it's disturbing to hear what Britney's saying, we don't even know if it's true. That's up to the court to sort through. They have much more intel then we do.

We do know her father has been physically abusive, her mom’s friend witnessed it and he has a restraining order from attacking his grandson.

Attacking? He got into a fight with one of Britney's late teen sons over the conservatorship. They'll be aging out of that child support agreement in 3 years as well. Wonder how much of that $20K a month Kevin saved? Enough to keep the boys living in style in separate homes from their father while in college? Probably not. And grandpa is standing between them and an inheritance which Britney doesn't control.

All of the men in her lives are trash.

Yes, attacked. He broke into a room and shook the child

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Anonymous wrote:I hope all of you people talking about how this is what Britney needs have been out there talking about how you think all the men who have been out of control deserved to have all their rights and autonomy stripped.

Justin Beiber was pretty messed up for awhile why isn't he under lock and key?
Johnny Depp has been drinking and spending his way into oblivion for a decade.
Shia LaBeoef has seemed on the edge of some kind of violent nervous breakdown for his entire adult life.

But we don't call them 'crazy' or strip them of their rights because they are men. So screw you guys and your serious internalized misogyny.

+1. We all know this would never happen to an extremely rich and successful man - no matter how outlandish his behavior.

Not a single one of these men endangered their kids (Johnny) or were foolish enough to have them when they were in a mentally ill space (Shia/Justin).

Britney's problem, among others, was that she locked herself in a bathroom with her toddlers and forced the police to break it down. After having questionable judgement regarding the kids in the first place. She was caught driving around with them in her lap with no seatbelt multiple times (a judge ruled she couldn't have them in her car anymore) and she dropped another one while looking high on meth.

Had she just had a mental breakdown with herself alone - I do not think the judge would have given Kevin Federline full custody of their shared kids and her own father full custody over herself.

I'm sorry why does having custody of your kids have ANY GD THING TO DO with whether or not she can have a cell phone or decide how to spend the money that she earned or have freedom of movement? Plenty of people do not have custody of their children and not lose control over their entire life.

And to the PP saying people called those men crazy YES they called them crazy but no one stepped in and robbed them of their rights to free will. Freedom to spend the money they EARNED.

+1

Custody of the kids is a completely separate issue from conservatorship, as it should be. Should she have more custody of her kids? Probably not. Should she have access to the money she earned? Absolutely. She was a young girl who was used to make a ton of money for a ton of people. She then wasn’t allowed to live her life the way she wanted. It’s so wrong on so many levels.

I’m also shocked that so many on this thread aren’t up in arms about forcing birth control on a grown woman. It’s deeply disturbing.

+1. Very good points!!

For me, it's that it's impossible to know what's really going on. My mom had mental illness, and she told everyone my dad was physically abusive to both her and us. So cousins and teachers would come up to me and try to talk to me about it. Only my father wasn't physically (or verbally) abusive. She was just making it up because she was paranoid and wanted people to take her side during their divorce. But people still believed her, and if I tried to explain, they acted like I was some poor abused kid in denial. Mental illness can be really confusing to sort out. So while, yes, it's disturbing to hear what Britney's saying, we don't even know if it's true. That's up to the court to sort through. They have much more intel then we do.

We do know her father has been physically abusive, her mom’s friend witnessed it and he has a restraining order from attacking his grandson.

Attacking? He got into a fight with one of Britney's late teen sons over the conservatorship. They'll be aging out of that child support agreement in 3 years as well. Wonder how much of that $20K a month Kevin saved? Enough to keep the boys living in style in separate homes from their father while in college? Probably not. And grandpa is standing between them and an inheritance which Britney doesn't control.

All of the men in her lives are trash.

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Anonymous wrote:I hope all of you people talking about how this is what Britney needs have been out there talking about how you think all the men who have been out of control deserved to have all their rights and autonomy stripped.

Justin Beiber was pretty messed up for awhile why isn't he under lock and key?
Johnny Depp has been drinking and spending his way into oblivion for a decade.
Shia LaBeoef has seemed on the edge of some kind of violent nervous breakdown for his entire adult life.

But we don't call them 'crazy' or strip them of their rights because they are men. So screw you guys and your serious internalized misogyny.

+1. We all know this would never happen to an extremely rich and successful man - no matter how outlandish his behavior.

Not a single one of these men endangered their kids (Johnny) or were foolish enough to have them when they were in a mentally ill space (Shia/Justin).

Britney's problem, among others, was that she locked herself in a bathroom with her toddlers and forced the police to break it down. After having questionable judgement regarding the kids in the first place. She was caught driving around with them in her lap with no seatbelt multiple times (a judge ruled she couldn't have them in her car anymore) and she dropped another one while looking high on meth.

Had she just had a mental breakdown with herself alone - I do not think the judge would have given Kevin Federline full custody of their shared kids and her own father full custody over herself.

I'm sorry why does having custody of your kids have ANY GD THING TO DO with whether or not she can have a cell phone or decide how to spend the money that she earned or have freedom of movement? Plenty of people do not have custody of their children and not lose control over their entire life.

And to the PP saying people called those men crazy YES they called them crazy but no one stepped in and robbed them of their rights to free will. Freedom to spend the money they EARNED.

+1

Custody of the kids is a completely separate issue from conservatorship, as it should be. Should she have more custody of her kids? Probably not. Should she have access to the money she earned? Absolutely. She was a young girl who was used to make a ton of money for a ton of people. She then wasn’t allowed to live her life the way she wanted. It’s so wrong on so many levels.

I’m also shocked that so many on this thread aren’t up in arms about forcing birth control on a grown woman. It’s deeply disturbing.

+1. Very good points!!

For me, it's that it's impossible to know what's really going on. My mom had mental illness, and she told everyone my dad was physically abusive to both her and us. So cousins and teachers would come up to me and try to talk to me about it. Only my father wasn't physically (or verbally) abusive. She was just making it up because she was paranoid and wanted people to take her side during their divorce. But people still believed her, and if I tried to explain, they acted like I was some poor abused kid in denial. Mental illness can be really confusing to sort out. So while, yes, it's disturbing to hear what Britney's saying, we don't even know if it's true. That's up to the court to sort through. They have much more intel then we do.

We do know her father has been physically abusive, her mom’s friend witnessed it and he has a restraining order from attacking his grandson.

Anonymous wrote:I was one of the people saying months ago the court knows more than we do.

After her statement in court, and the New Yorker article, and her attorney’s resignation, I no longer feel that way.

The court, and her attorneys and father, need to defend themselves publicly. We cannot just say “trust them” and “they know more.”

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Anonymous wrote:I hope all of you people talking about how this is what Britney needs have been out there talking about how you think all the men who have been out of control deserved to have all their rights and autonomy stripped.

Justin Beiber was pretty messed up for awhile why isn't he under lock and key?
Johnny Depp has been drinking and spending his way into oblivion for a decade.
Shia LaBeoef has seemed on the edge of some kind of violent nervous breakdown for his entire adult life.

But we don't call them 'crazy' or strip them of their rights because they are men. So screw you guys and your serious internalized misogyny.

+1. We all know this would never happen to an extremely rich and successful man - no matter how outlandish his behavior.

Not a single one of these men endangered their kids (Johnny) or were foolish enough to have them when they were in a mentally ill space (Shia/Justin).

Britney's problem, among others, was that she locked herself in a bathroom with her toddlers and forced the police to break it down. After having questionable judgement regarding the kids in the first place. She was caught driving around with them in her lap with no seatbelt multiple times (a judge ruled she couldn't have them in her car anymore) and she dropped another one while looking high on meth.

Had she just had a mental breakdown with herself alone - I do not think the judge would have given Kevin Federline full custody of their shared kids and her own father full custody over herself.

I'm sorry why does having custody of your kids have ANY GD THING TO DO with whether or not she can have a cell phone or decide how to spend the money that she earned or have freedom of movement? Plenty of people do not have custody of their children and not lose control over their entire life.

And to the PP saying people called those men crazy YES they called them crazy but no one stepped in and robbed them of their rights to free will. Freedom to spend the money they EARNED.

+1

Custody of the kids is a completely separate issue from conservatorship, as it should be. Should she have more custody of her kids? Probably not. Should she have access to the money she earned? Absolutely. She was a young girl who was used to make a ton of money for a ton of people. She then wasn’t allowed to live her life the way she wanted. It’s so wrong on so many levels.

I’m also shocked that so many on this thread aren’t up in arms about forcing birth control on a grown woman. It’s deeply disturbing.

+1. Very good points!!

For me, it's that it's impossible to know what's really going on. My mom had mental illness, and she told everyone my dad was physically abusive to both her and us. So cousins and teachers would come up to me and try to talk to me about it. Only my father wasn't physically (or verbally) abusive. She was just making it up because she was paranoid and wanted people to take her side during their divorce. But people still believed her, and if I tried to explain, they acted like I was some poor abused kid in denial. Mental illness can be really confusing to sort out. So while, yes, it's disturbing to hear what Britney's saying, we don't even know if it's true. That's up to the court to sort through. They have much more intel then we do.

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Anonymous wrote:I hope all of you people talking about how this is what Britney needs have been out there talking about how you think all the men who have been out of control deserved to have all their rights and autonomy stripped.

Justin Beiber was pretty messed up for awhile why isn't he under lock and key?
Johnny Depp has been drinking and spending his way into oblivion for a decade.
Shia LaBeoef has seemed on the edge of some kind of violent nervous breakdown for his entire adult life.

But we don't call them 'crazy' or strip them of their rights because they are men. So screw you guys and your serious internalized misogyny.

+1. We all know this would never happen to an extremely rich and successful man - no matter how outlandish his behavior.

Not a single one of these men endangered their kids (Johnny) or were foolish enough to have them when they were in a mentally ill space (Shia/Justin).

Britney's problem, among others, was that she locked herself in a bathroom with her toddlers and forced the police to break it down. After having questionable judgement regarding the kids in the first place. She was caught driving around with them in her lap with no seatbelt multiple times (a judge ruled she couldn't have them in her car anymore) and she dropped another one while looking high on meth.

Had she just had a mental breakdown with herself alone - I do not think the judge would have given Kevin Federline full custody of their shared kids and her own father full custody over herself.

I'm sorry why does having custody of your kids have ANY GD THING TO DO with whether or not she can have a cell phone or decide how to spend the money that she earned or have freedom of movement? Plenty of people do not have custody of their children and not lose control over their entire life.

And to the PP saying people called those men crazy YES they called them crazy but no one stepped in and robbed them of their rights to free will. Freedom to spend the money they EARNED.

+1

Custody of the kids is a completely separate issue from conservatorship, as it should be. Should she have more custody of her kids? Probably not. Should she have access to the money she earned? Absolutely. She was a young girl who was used to make a ton of money for a ton of people. She then wasn’t allowed to live her life the way she wanted. It’s so wrong on so many levels.

I’m also shocked that so many on this thread aren’t up in arms about forcing birth control on a grown woman. It’s deeply disturbing.

+1. Very good points!!

Anonymous wrote:A bit of an aside, but I just ran across an article that Tori Spelling wants a divorce but “they can’t afford it”

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Anonymous wrote:I hope all of you people talking about how this is what Britney needs have been out there talking about how you think all the men who have been out of control deserved to have all their rights and autonomy stripped.

Justin Beiber was pretty messed up for awhile why isn't he under lock and key?
Johnny Depp has been drinking and spending his way into oblivion for a decade.
Shia LaBeoef has seemed on the edge of some kind of violent nervous breakdown for his entire adult life.

But we don't call them 'crazy' or strip them of their rights because they are men. So screw you guys and your serious internalized misogyny.

+1. We all know this would never happen to an extremely rich and successful man - no matter how outlandish his behavior.

Not a single one of these men endangered their kids (Johnny) or were foolish enough to have them when they were in a mentally ill space (Shia/Justin).

Britney's problem, among others, was that she locked herself in a bathroom with her toddlers and forced the police to break it down. After having questionable judgement regarding the kids in the first place. She was caught driving around with them in her lap with no seatbelt multiple times (a judge ruled she couldn't have them in her car anymore) and she dropped another one while looking high on meth.

Had she just had a mental breakdown with herself alone - I do not think the judge would have given Kevin Federline full custody of their shared kids and her own father full custody over herself.

This. How quickly people forget.

She slipped while being pursued by paparazzi. It happens. I know you are a perfect parent but please understand not everyone can be as perfect as you.

Regardless, the idea that none of the “crazy” male celebrities have ever put their kids in danger is laughable. Remember when Michael Jackson hung his baby off of a balcony?

On flat sidewalk while looking so out of it that the only thing that saved her baby from a devastating injury was a security guard who went above-and-beyond to rush in? Or the police officers who broke down a bathroom door to get the kids a second time? Or a judge who decided she was unfit to drive with them multiple times? And that's just the public stuff.

As fir Michael, he might have been weird but he did everything he could to save his kids from emotional and physical stress as a parent from hiring personal guards for them to keeping them hidden 24/7. Britney treated her kids more like an afterthought and Jamie Lynn had more parental knowledge than her older sister, hence still having her kids.

Jamie Lynn Spears' daughter almost died when riding an ATV as a small child and it flipped resulting in her trapped underneath in a mud pit until she almost drowned.

And I am not saying that was JLS's fault necessarily, but to act like Britney Spears' losing her balance and looking flustered when being hounded and screamed at by a scrum of reporters and flashes (something you or I cannot even imagine BTW) fairly soon in her postpartum period means that she was not a good mother is BS. Her housekeeper at the time has spoken about what a good mom she was. I am not saying she was healthy enough to have custody when her kids were babies, personally I think she had severe postpartum mental illness that her family used as an opportunity to rob her of her life, but I think it is COMICAL that you would cite her sister who actually had a child almost die as the somehow superior parent.