Anonymous
Post 12/03/2021 14:45     Subject: To you, what's the bottom of the "elite" colleges?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:As HYP expanded, it became IV league - Harvard, Yale, Princeton, and Columbia. As this league expanded to include even more schools, the IV League then became the Ivy League.


No, this is a false but common urban legend

https://www.grammarphobia.com/blog/2018/10/ivy-league.html [/

The “Ivy league” origin as ivy wall coverings is skeptical bc ivies were very common in many college campuses. The 8 schools couldn't possibly the only schools with ivies. a little common sense should tell you somethings off with your source.


"A little common sense"? That's laughable.

You stick with what your gut tells you, I'll stick with citations and sources, m'kay?

There were many other links on this topic, I only posted one, and even the ones that mentioned your "I-V" theory admitted it had no source and was likely apocryphal.
Anonymous
Post 12/03/2021 14:36     Subject: Re:To you, what's the bottom of the "elite" colleges?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:What’s the point of all this bickering about the history of these schools. Let’s just look at the current academic merits of these schools.


Harvard
Stanford
Yale
Columbia
MIT
Princeton
Chicago
Berkeley
UPenn
Northwestern
Caltech
Johns Hopkins
Duke

That's it.


Once you include Stanford as “elite”, you have to deal with Tufts boosters.

In the alternative, place Stanford on the absolute bottom below T5 ivies + Mit.
Anonymous
Post 12/03/2021 14:33     Subject: To you, what's the bottom of the "elite" colleges?
Anonymous wrote:Berkeley, Michigan, and UCLA are the only three elite publics.


And UVA and UNC…
Anonymous
Post 12/03/2021 14:31     Subject: Re:To you, what's the bottom of the "elite" colleges?
Anonymous wrote:What’s the point of all this bickering about the history of these schools. Let’s just look at the current academic merits of these schools.


Harvard
Stanford
Yale
Columbia
MIT
Princeton
Chicago
Berkeley
UPenn
Northwestern
Caltech
Johns Hopkins
Duke

That's it.
Anonymous
Post 12/03/2021 14:31     Subject: To you, what's the bottom of the "elite" colleges?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:As HYP expanded, it became IV league - Harvard, Yale, Princeton, and Columbia. As this league expanded to include even more schools, the IV League then became the Ivy League.


No, this is a false but common urban legend

https://www.grammarphobia.com/blog/2018/10/ivy-league.html [/

The “Ivy league” origin as ivy wall coverings is skeptical bc ivies were very common in many college campuses. The 8 schools couldn't possibly the only schools with ivies. a little common sense should tell you somethings off with your source.
Anonymous
Post 12/03/2021 14:25     Subject: Re:To you, what's the bottom of the "elite" colleges?
What’s the point of all this bickering about the history of these schools. Let’s just look at the current academic merits of these schools.
Anonymous
Post 12/03/2021 13:44     Subject: To you, what's the bottom of the "elite" colleges?
Anonymous wrote:As HYP expanded, it became IV league - Harvard, Yale, Princeton, and Columbia. As this league expanded to include even more schools, the IV League then became the Ivy League.


No, this is a false but common urban legend

https://www.grammarphobia.com/blog/2018/10/ivy-league.html
Anonymous
Post 12/03/2021 13:33     Subject: To you, what's the bottom of the "elite" colleges?
As HYP expanded, it became IV league - Harvard, Yale, Princeton, and Columbia. As this league expanded to include even more schools, the IV League then became the Ivy League.

Stanford and MIT belong to their own sports leagues. MIT must have a freeze bee league or something. It doesn't belong with HYP.
Anonymous
Post 12/03/2021 13:11     Subject: To you, what's the bottom of the "elite" colleges?
HYP was a sports league just as Ivy League is. It’s a legitimate league. HYPSM, on the other hand, has no legal status. It’s a DCUM, CC made up acronym used only in specific settings, such as in cram school marketing.
Anonymous
Post 12/03/2021 13:05     Subject: Re:To you, what's the bottom of the "elite" colleges?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:We've done this a million and one times but I'll add one more. This is the tier list.

1.Harvard, Stanford
3.MIT, Princeton
5.Columbia, Yale
7. U Chicago, Caltech, Upenn
10. Duke, Northwestern, Brown, Dartmouth, John's Hopkins
15. Cornell, Vanderbilt, Williams, Amherst
19. Emory, WashU, Rice, Notre Dame, Georgetown, CMU
25. UCLA, UCB, Pomona
28. Gatech, UVA, Michigan, Tufts, Bowdoin, Wellesley

+1 there's about 30 elite schools in the country. JP Morgan CEO went to Tufts so yes Harvard might be MORE elite but the others are still part of the elite group.


This is why you need to limit elite to HYP. Otherwise you’ll forever have to deal with Tufts nuisance. Pretty soon, it gets watered down sports schools like Stanford and vocational schools like CalTech.


Since the thread is about the "bottom" of the elite list, I would agree with the list above. If you are limiting it to 10-15 schools when there are perceived tiers then there is a tier at which schools are not perceived as elite. The list above, IMO, generally captures what this thread purports to be about.
Anonymous
Post 12/03/2021 13:03     Subject: To you, what's the bottom of the "elite" colleges?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I think the public Ivies are the bottom of “elite” at this point. Clearly not in the Harvard or Penn category, but given how intense the competition is these days and how well funded the flagship state universities are (not to mention really hard to get into!) I would include schools like Michigan, UVA, and Minnesota as “elite” if we’re going to have the discussion.


Minnesota? Uh...

I could agree with Michigan, UCLA, UVA, Berkeley being elite. Not sure about any other schools below them.


To be fair, Minnesota is ELITE because of its football coach.

https://petcashpost.substack.com/p/anelite-coach-i-would-play-for
Anonymous
Post 12/03/2021 13:01     Subject: Re:To you, what's the bottom of the "elite" colleges?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:We've done this a million and one times but I'll add one more. This is the tier list.

1.Harvard, Stanford
3.MIT, Princeton
5.Columbia, Yale
7. U Chicago, Caltech, Upenn
10. Duke, Northwestern, Brown, Dartmouth, John's Hopkins
15. Cornell, Vanderbilt, Williams, Amherst
19. Emory, WashU, Rice, Notre Dame, Georgetown, CMU
25. UCLA, UCB, Pomona
28. Gatech, UVA, Michigan, Tufts, Bowdoin, Wellesley

+1 there's about 30 elite schools in the country. JP Morgan CEO went to Tufts so yes Harvard might be MORE elite but the others are still part of the elite group.


This is why you need to limit elite to HYP. Otherwise you’ll forever have to deal with Tufts nuisance. Pretty soon, it gets watered down sports schools like Stanford and vocational schools like CalTech.
Anonymous
Post 12/03/2021 12:31     Subject: Re:To you, what's the bottom of the "elite" colleges?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:We've done this a million and one times but I'll add one more. This is the tier list.

1.Harvard, Stanford
3.MIT, Princeton
5.Columbia, Yale
7. U Chicago, Caltech, Upenn
10. Duke, Northwestern, Brown, Dartmouth, John's Hopkins
15. Cornell, Vanderbilt, Williams, Amherst
19. Emory, WashU, Rice, Notre Dame, Georgetown, CMU
25. UCLA, UCB, Pomona
28. Gatech, UVA, Michigan, Tufts, Bowdoin, Wellesley

+1 there's about 30 elite schools in the country. JP Morgan CEO went to Tufts so yes Harvard might be MORE elite but the others are still part of the elite group.


That is the most bizarre justification for name a school "elite".
Anonymous
Post 12/03/2021 12:08     Subject: Re:To you, what's the bottom of the "elite" colleges?
Anonymous wrote:We've done this a million and one times but I'll add one more. This is the tier list.

1.Harvard, Stanford
3.MIT, Princeton
5.Columbia, Yale
7. U Chicago, Caltech, Upenn
10. Duke, Northwestern, Brown, Dartmouth, John's Hopkins
15. Cornell, Vanderbilt, Williams, Amherst
19. Emory, WashU, Rice, Notre Dame, Georgetown, CMU
25. UCLA, UCB, Pomona
28. Gatech, UVA, Michigan, Tufts, Bowdoin, Wellesley

+1 there's about 30 elite schools in the country. JP Morgan CEO went to Tufts so yes Harvard might be MORE elite but the others are still part of the elite group.
Anonymous
Post 12/02/2021 22:20     Subject: Re:To you, what's the bottom of the "elite" colleges?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
As for the Elites, it's what you and another poster or two decided. What are your credentials to decide this? In fact, there are other schools ranked higher than some of the ones in your group, and they have higher student SAT ranges and averages too. Sorry, your Elite grouping is not definitive.


Which schools are you talking about? The "elite" schools feels pretty definitive and exhaustive to me.


The so-called “definitive” list survived this thread by sheer number of posts. The number of posts in this thread is a function - not of any general consensus - but of how much free time these proponents have. For all I know, they may be unemployed, or underemployed people, coming on here touting their “definitive” list. Busy people who may disagree with the “definitive” list don’t come here. They are too busy changing the world.


The one person IRL I know who spends time on these boards is a Brown grad who's overpaid and spends most of her time trying to find ways to stay busy and surfing the internet.