^ forgot about the paranoid delusional conspiracy theories....

In fairness, the anti-CCers are starting to make fewer of those mistakes as time progresses, but only because the CCers have been patiently (and sometimes not so patiently) having to educate them every step of the way by pointing out to them where they have it all wrong...

I'm sorry, 22:55 but you definitely don't have the critical thinkers among you.

You have people who can't tell the differences between Common Core versus curriculum, who can't tell the difference between Common Core and NCLB, who don't realize that PARCC isn't the only test out there, who don't realize that Pearson isn't the only textbook company out there, who don't realize that charters also have Common Core and NCLB testing, who lie and claim they are teachers desperate for credibility, only to then get tripped up on fundamentals that real teachers should know, who can't ever seem to come up with any actual data when challenged on their talking points, who don't understand psychometrics and cut scores, and who don't seem to realize that most of their half-baked anti-CC talking points are funded and promoted by the Koch Brothers by way of the Heartland Institute and other right wing front organizations...

From where I'm standing I'm not seeing a whole lot of critical thinking going on in your camp at all.

These standards are going to make little difference in raising everyone up. The standards are too narrow and they force everyone into the same classes.

Everyone learns so differently and has such different strengths. That was always America's greatness. It doesn't really matter if a ballerina can do calculus. Should she be blocked from pursuing the arts because her math skills aren't in the top 10 percent? Should she be blocked from going to college because she's not a STEM fanatic?

The should bring back vocational schools and drop the idea of everyone being at exactly the same place at the same time academically.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:To the apologist, if this many people/schools have "local" problems then it's a federal problem.

Who the FUCK do you see here "apologizing?"

NOBODY. You are DELUSIONAL.

To the illiterate, answer the following questions:

1. What is the definition of "apologist" in this thread?

a. Someone who apologizes
b. An asshole who makes excuses for a certain doctrine or ideological position
c. The name of an Olympic speed skater from Seattle
d. the wooden mallet used in the game of polo

2. Cite evidence from the text in this thread to support your answer.

Nobody here is "making excuses", they are just blasting the anti-CCers for their steady stream of ridiculous comments.

For example, the latest ludicrous claim that PARCC testing is designed to make a majority of kids fail, in order to drive everything over to charters...

Except APPARENTLY NONE OF YOU MORONS REALIZED THAT CHARTERS ARE ALSO USING COMMON CORE STANDARDS AND THE EXACT SAME PARCC TESTS.

Again, your lack of understanding of the issues. The right wingers want to interject "choice" into schools, so they have a vested interest in seeing the typical public school undermined. Parents get pissed at all this Common Core and endless testing nonsense, and pull their kids out to homeschool or private schools or even the charters. So public schools close, UNION teachers lose their jobs, and the right is happy.

The right doesn't care that charter schools suck worse than public schools. They like charter schools because the teachers are rarely unionized.

Ah, so now you change your story to "it's all about union busting"

Just one change of story after another with you... One deflection after another...

And you wonder why you can't get any traction with critical thinkers? It's because you are like trying to nail jello to a tree.

Pathetic.

There's plenty of traction on dumping Common Core. Especially among the critical thinkers.

And what's pathetic is that you don't look at all the ancillary issues at play. Both the left and the right have their own agendas on Common Core -- if only one side had wanted it in our polarized nation, it never would have made it into so many states. Everybody pushed forward to meet their own self-interests, without paying much attention to why the other side was so eager for Common Core.

Which is why you have the huge mess you have today.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:To the apologist, if this many people/schools have "local" problems then it's a federal problem.

Who the FUCK do you see here "apologizing?"

NOBODY. You are DELUSIONAL.

To the illiterate, answer the following questions:

1. What is the definition of "apologist" in this thread?

a. Someone who apologizes
b. An asshole who makes excuses for a certain doctrine or ideological position
c. The name of an Olympic speed skater from Seattle
d. the wooden mallet used in the game of polo

2. Cite evidence from the text in this thread to support your answer.

Nobody here is "making excuses", they are just blasting the anti-CCers for their steady stream of ridiculous comments.

For example, the latest ludicrous claim that PARCC testing is designed to make a majority of kids fail, in order to drive everything over to charters...

Except APPARENTLY NONE OF YOU MORONS REALIZED THAT CHARTERS ARE ALSO USING COMMON CORE STANDARDS AND THE EXACT SAME PARCC TESTS.

Again, your lack of understanding of the issues. The right wingers want to interject "choice" into schools, so they have a vested interest in seeing the typical public school undermined. Parents get pissed at all this Common Core and endless testing nonsense, and pull their kids out to homeschool or private schools or even the charters. So public schools close, UNION teachers lose their jobs, and the right is happy.

The right doesn't care that charter schools suck worse than public schools. They like charter schools because the teachers are rarely unionized.

In many places, yes, discontented parents are dumping public schools for charters, but they aren't exactly leaving in droves to homeschool or go to privates.

Again, the charters are ALSO using Common Core and ALSO have to do the same tests. So again, your whole narrative about it being a grand scheme to shift kids out of public schools and into charters really doesn't hold any water, whatsoever. You aren't seeing many parents bailing out of charters because of Common Core and testing, though. That again goes to show that it's not about Common Core or testing. It's about public school bloat, bureaucracy, mismanagement, inefficiency, ineffectiveness and general lackluster performance, along with only making change at a glacial pace. Charters on the other hand run in ways that are lean, agile and efficient, because they can't afford to run any other way.

So now we see the truth at last, that this anti-CC fight is really just about defending the unions, along with defending and preserving the bloat, the inefficiency, mediocrity and mismanagement of the traditional public school system... it's not really about the kids for you.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:To the apologist, if this many people/schools have "local" problems then it's a federal problem.

Who the FUCK do you see here "apologizing?"

NOBODY. You are DELUSIONAL.

To the illiterate, answer the following questions:

1. What is the definition of "apologist" in this thread?

a. Someone who apologizes
b. An asshole who makes excuses for a certain doctrine or ideological position
c. The name of an Olympic speed skater from Seattle
d. the wooden mallet used in the game of polo

2. Cite evidence from the text in this thread to support your answer.

Nobody here is "making excuses", they are just blasting the anti-CCers for their steady stream of ridiculous comments.

For example, the latest ludicrous claim that PARCC testing is designed to make a majority of kids fail, in order to drive everything over to charters...

Except APPARENTLY NONE OF YOU MORONS REALIZED THAT CHARTERS ARE ALSO USING COMMON CORE STANDARDS AND THE EXACT SAME PARCC TESTS.

Again, your lack of understanding of the issues. The right wingers want to interject "choice" into schools, so they have a vested interest in seeing the typical public school undermined. Parents get pissed at all this Common Core and endless testing nonsense, and pull their kids out to homeschool or private schools or even the charters. So public schools close, UNION teachers lose their jobs, and the right is happy.

The right doesn't care that charter schools suck worse than public schools. They like charter schools because the teachers are rarely unionized.

Ah, so now you change your story to "it's all about union busting"

Just one change of story after another with you... One deflection after another...

And you wonder why you can't get any traction with critical thinkers? It's because you are like trying to nail jello to a tree.

Pathetic.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:To the apologist, if this many people/schools have "local" problems then it's a federal problem.

Who the FUCK do you see here "apologizing?"

NOBODY. You are DELUSIONAL.

To the illiterate, answer the following questions:

1. What is the definition of "apologist" in this thread?

a. Someone who apologizes
b. An asshole who makes excuses for a certain doctrine or ideological position
c. The name of an Olympic speed skater from Seattle
d. the wooden mallet used in the game of polo

2. Cite evidence from the text in this thread to support your answer.

Nobody here is "making excuses", they are just blasting the anti-CCers for their steady stream of ridiculous comments.

For example, the latest ludicrous claim that PARCC testing is designed to make a majority of kids fail, in order to drive everything over to charters...

Except APPARENTLY NONE OF YOU MORONS REALIZED THAT CHARTERS ARE ALSO USING COMMON CORE STANDARDS AND THE EXACT SAME PARCC TESTS.

Again, your lack of understanding of the issues. The right wingers want to interject "choice" into schools, so they have a vested interest in seeing the typical public school undermined. Parents get pissed at all this Common Core and endless testing nonsense, and pull their kids out to homeschool or private schools or even the charters. So public schools close, UNION teachers lose their jobs, and the right is happy.

The right doesn't care that charter schools suck worse than public schools. They like charter schools because the teachers are rarely unionized.

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Billions can be saved by not giving these tests at all. I know that's unthinkable for the federales. Their heads might explode if we don't have all this testing.

Billions could be saved by just shutting schools down altogether since you obviously don't give a shit about outcomes.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:To the apologist, if this many people/schools have "local" problems then it's a federal problem.

Who the FUCK do you see here "apologizing?"

NOBODY. You are DELUSIONAL.

To the illiterate, answer the following questions:

1. What is the definition of "apologist" in this thread?

a. Someone who apologizes
b. An asshole who makes excuses for a certain doctrine or ideological position
c. The name of an Olympic speed skater from Seattle
d. the wooden mallet used in the game of polo

2. Cite evidence from the text in this thread to support your answer.

Nobody here is "making excuses", they are just blasting the anti-CCers for their steady stream of ridiculous comments.

For example, the latest ludicrous claim that PARCC testing is designed to make a majority of kids fail, in order to drive everything over to charters...

Except APPARENTLY NONE OF YOU MORONS REALIZED THAT CHARTERS ARE ALSO USING COMMON CORE STANDARDS AND THE EXACT SAME PARCC TESTS.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:To the apologist, if this many people/schools have "local" problems then it's a federal problem.

Who the FUCK do you see here "apologizing?"

NOBODY. You are DELUSIONAL.

To the illiterate, answer the following questions:

1. What is the definition of "apologist" in this thread?

a. Someone who apologizes
b. An asshole who makes excuses for a certain doctrine or ideological position
c. The name of an Olympic speed skater from Seattle
d. the wooden mallet used in the game of polo

2. Cite evidence from the text in this thread to support your answer.

You're my hero!

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:To the apologist, if this many people/schools have "local" problems then it's a federal problem.

Who the FUCK do you see here "apologizing?"

NOBODY. You are DELUSIONAL.

To the illiterate, answer the following questions:

1. What is the definition of "apologist" in this thread?

a. Someone who apologizes
b. An asshole who makes excuses for a certain doctrine or ideological position
c. The name of an Olympic speed skater from Seattle
d. the wooden mallet used in the game of polo

2. Cite evidence from the text in this thread to support your answer.

Yes, KILL THE ANNUAL TESTING. Keep the NAEP.

Test everyone only a few times during their school career. Maybe third, fifth, eighth and 11th. That would be PLENTY.

Billions can be saved by not giving these tests at all. I know that's unthinkable for the federales. Their heads might explode if we don't have all this testing.

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The price tag on SBAC tests in California alone is $1 billion.



This. Is this the best use of resources to improve our children?


Now imagine that multiplied by 50 for each state so that each can do their own thing, versus just having one national test costing 50 times less to develop and maintain.

No. This is what they paid for the already developed Smarter Balanced tests---this is the price for buying them to use---not for developing them.

^ For the person who keeps whining about the "waste of money" you should be thinking about the billions that could be SAVED by not having to develop and maintain 50 different tests.