Anonymous wrote:

Muslima wrote:As a Muslim having family in Europe and the US and having lived in both, i'd like to say that American Muslims are way more integrated than their European counterparts. Say what you will about America, but at the end of the day, we remain a nation that not only tolerates but for the most part embraces our differences, our individualities, freedom to worship who we want, how we want. Yes, we are not perfect, and we still have our issues but we are still better than most, and we are still working to get better. And this is why, I as a Muslim love America and will choose it 100 times over France. And this is the sentiment of most American Muslims, while most European Muslims, at least the ones i spoke to felt misunderstood and marginalized by their governments. No wonder, most of the islamophobic cartoons and anti-islam movies were birthed in Europe!

Then why don't you sponsor your brother and the rest of your family so they can come here? We should open our borders to all the oppressed Muslims of Europe just as we are opening them to all the refugees from Central America. They will absolutely thrive here.

Our plate is full.

Charlie Hebdo's upcoming cover. Mohammed says "everything is forgiven."

Muslima wrote:As a Muslim having family in Europe and the US and having lived in both, i'd like to say that American Muslims are way more integrated than their European counterparts. Say what you will about America, but at the end of the day, we remain a nation that not only tolerates but for the most part embraces our differences, our individualities, freedom to worship who we want, how we want. Yes, we are not perfect, and we still have our issues but we are still better than most, and we are still working to get better. And this is why, I as a Muslim love America and will choose it 100 times over France. And this is the sentiment of most American Muslims, while most European Muslims, at least the ones i spoke to felt misunderstood and marginalized by their governments. No wonder, most of the islamophobic cartoons and anti-islam movies were birthed in Europe!

Then why don't you sponsor your brother and the rest of your family so they can come here? We should open our borders to all the oppressed Muslims of Europe just as we are opening them to all the refugees from Central America. They will absolutely thrive here.

Muslima wrote:As a Muslim having family in Europe and the US and having lived in both, i'd like to say that American Muslims are way more integrated than their European counterparts. Say what you will about America, but at the end of the day, we remain a nation that not only tolerates but for the most part embraces our differences, our individualities, freedom to worship who we want, how we want. Yes, we are not perfect, and we still have our issues but we are still better than most, and we are still working to get better. And this is why, I as a Muslim love America and will choose it 100 times over France. And this is the sentiment of most American Muslims, while most European Muslims, at least the ones i spoke to felt misunderstood and marginalized by their governments. No wonder, most of the islamophobic cartoons and anti-islam movies were birthed in Europe!

How inviting are Islamic nations to the rest of the world?

That's the question you need to answer.

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Anonymous wrote:Keith Ellison is Muslim, no? From Minnesota no less.

yes, born and raised in the US, ancestors in the US since the 1700's, and a catholic who converted to Islam in college. and still, this is what a fellow representative (GOP from Virginia) had to say at the time after allegedly receiving concerned calls from some of his constituents:


"I fear that in the next century we will have many more Muslims in the United States if we do not adopt the strict immigration policies that I believe are necessary to preserve the values and beliefs traditional to the United States of America and to prevent our resources from being swamped"

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/12/21/us/21koran.html?_r=0

also, Mr. Ellison according to the article after the election received hostile phone calls and e-mail messages along with some death threats.

Let's not totally write off this act by the people of Minnesota because there are turds in Congress, which we already knew.

Anonymous wrote:The overwhelming majority of people in France wouldn't consider CH to be hateful. Distasteful? Yes. But not hateful like Dieudonne.

+1. CH' cartoons mocked radical Islamists (in addition to everybody else), they did not support or promote the slaughter of Muslims. in response to the March in Paris, Dieudonne posted “As far as I am concerned, I feel I am Charlie Coulibaly”, where Coulibay is the terrorist who killed a black police woman and then took hostages in a jewish market, killing four hostages just because they were jewish.

Anonymous wrote:The overwhelming majority of people in France wouldn't consider CH to be hateful. Distasteful? Yes. But not hateful like Dieudonne.

Interesting point.

The overwhelming majority of people in France wouldn't consider CH to be hateful. Distasteful? Yes. But not hateful like Dieudonne.

Anonymous wrote:Dieudonne -- a French "comedian" whose repertoire consists mainly of anti-semitic rethoric, including an inverted nazi salute -- just said "I feel like I am Charlie Coulibaly." Repugnant. Those who compare him with CH are out of line.

If a country is going to have hate speech laws, why is one repulsive thing (the comedian's hostile jokes) condemned, but a hateful cartoon not? They both should be, in my view. But I am not a free speech absolutist.

^^ Marine Le Pen says exactly the same as the racist Virginia represent tative -- and yet she get first place in presidential opinion polls. Do you think that VA rep would get 30% in polls with that rethoric?

Anonymous wrote:Keith Ellison is Muslim, no? From Minnesota no less.

yes, born and raised in the US, ancestors in the US since the 1700's, and a catholic who converted to Islam in college. and still, this is what a fellow representative (GOP from Virginia) had to say at the time after allegedly receiving concerned calls from some of his constituents:


"I fear that in the next century we will have many more Muslims in the United States if we do not adopt the strict immigration policies that I believe are necessary to preserve the values and beliefs traditional to the United States of America and to prevent our resources from being swamped"

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/12/21/us/21koran.html?_r=0

also, Mr. Ellison according to the article after the election received hostile phone calls and e-mail messages along with some death threats.

Anonymous wrote:How about people just elect qualified candidates and stop witn the rainbow?!

Why shouldn't the default be white?

Why should it?

How about people just elect qualified candidates and stop witn the rainbow?!

You don't get my point. I don't think electing someone with a Muslim or Arab name is a big deal at all. I do think rejecting him because of his name would be -- and I think you are extremely over optimistic to think that the French would vote for some Hussein for president right now. That's simply not compatible with Le Pen getting 30%. Would the Parisians you know do it? Sure. Would "deep France"? No way.

I can see 40% of US not voting for a Muslim for president, but you are dreaming to think that the percentage would be any lower in France.

Finally, as I mentioned earlier, since cabinet positions can be subject of tokenism (particularly from someone like Sarkozy and his "ministry of national identity), a more apt comparison with available data would be to compare the number of practicing Muslims at the French National Assembly (zero out of 577), and in the US (2 out of 435). Those are elected people.

Keith Ellison is Muslim, no? From Minnesota no less.