Anonymous wrote:

Idiotic. Evidently you are unaware that the country is full of kids who have minimal reading abilities and who can't even do math well enough to make change or balance a checkbook. These are things that need to be quantified, understood and addressed.

Here's a clue: it is not a result of poor schools. It is a result of poor parenting. That is what needs to be addressed.

NP. No, it's partly the school's responsibility. It's the school's responsibility to make sure kids are *not* graduating without being able to read at a HS level. That's not the parent's job. It's the school's responsibility to make sure the kids are passing math at a certain level. But, I agree, it is the parent's responsibility to make sure that kids can balance a checkbook and know how to budget. But, in that regard, I would say some parents of DCUMers have failed miserably since you see so many "I make six figures and still live in the red" posts.

Idiotic. Evidently you are unaware that the country is full of kids who have minimal reading abilities and who can't even do math well enough to make change or balance a checkbook. These are things that need to be quantified, understood and addressed.

Here's a clue: it is not a result of poor schools. It is a result of poor parenting. That is what needs to be addressed.

Idiotic. Evidently you are unaware that the country is full of kids who have minimal reading abilities and who can't even do math well enough to make change or balance a checkbook. These are things that need to be quantified, understood and addressed.

Oh, and the tests are going to solve that? Here's a clue: It is not going to help.

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Oh, so there should never be any testing, we should do away with it, and since you have no way of gauging outcomes, it doesn't matter how kids are doing and it doesn't matter how schools compare? Since you care so tremendously little about outcomes, then why bother educating kids at all?

Can you read? Write? And, I bet you learned to do those things before NCLB. And, you never took a test?

Idiotic. Evidently you are unaware that the country is full of kids who have minimal reading abilities and who can't even do math well enough to make change or balance a checkbook. These are things that need to be quantified, understood and addressed.

Common Core standards, since getting rid of the Common Core standards will have no effect whatsoever on the testing requirements of NCLB.

Great. Nice wallpaper!

Anonymous wrote:

Oh, so there should never be any testing, we should do away with it, and since you have no way of gauging outcomes, it doesn't matter how kids are doing and it doesn't matter how schools compare? Since you care so tremendously little about outcomes, then why bother educating kids at all?

Can you read? Write? And, I bet you learned to do those things before NCLB. And, you never took a test?

In that case, I suggested that you concentrate your efforts on getting NCLB amended to remove the testing requirements. This will accomplish your goal more effectively than fighting the Common Core standards, since getting rid of the Common Core standards will have no effect whatsoever on the testing requirements of NCLB.

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There are at LEAST 42 standards in Language Arts and Reading for K alone. I didn't try to count the math ones. And, it is expected that they will all be tested. What fun!

This is why K teachers are screaming.

It is expected, by whom? There is no NCLB testing in kindergarten. Kindergarten teachers should know that.

Oh, so there should never be any testing, we should do away with it, and since you have no way of gauging outcomes, it doesn't matter how kids are doing and it doesn't matter how schools compare? Since you care so tremendously little about outcomes, then why bother educating kids at all?

Can you read? Write? And, I bet you learned to do those things before NCLB. And, you never took a test?

Anonymous wrote:

The Common Core standards do not require testing. No Child Left Behind (a federal law from 2001) requires testing. No Child Left Behind is unrelated to the Common Core standards. There was No Child Left Behind testing before the Common Core standards. No Child Left Behind requires all states to have testing, including states that did not adopt the Common Core standards.

A PP has pointed out that the developers of CC expected testing. A standard is meant to be measured. For the record, Race to the Top also requires testing. Common Core is a failure.

The developers of Common Core standards expected testing because federal law requires testing. The developers of the Common Core standards also expected the sun to come up the next morning. (Which it has, so far.)

And, there were not any tests before NCLB? Who knew?

Anonymous wrote:

The Common Core standards do not require testing. No Child Left Behind (a federal law from 2001) requires testing. No Child Left Behind is unrelated to the Common Core standards. There was No Child Left Behind testing before the Common Core standards. No Child Left Behind requires all states to have testing, including states that did not adopt the Common Core standards.

A PP has pointed out that the developers of CC expected testing. A standard is meant to be measured. For the record, Race to the Top also requires testing. Common Core is a failure.

Oh, so there should never be any testing, we should do away with it, and since you have no way of gauging outcomes, it doesn't matter how kids are doing and it doesn't matter how schools compare? Since you care so tremendously little about outcomes, then why bother educating kids at all?

There are at LEAST 42 standards in Language Arts and Reading for K alone. I didn't try to count the math ones. And, it is expected that they will all be tested. What fun!

This is why K teachers are screaming.

There are at LEAST 42 standards in Language Arts and Reading for K alone. I didn't try to count the math ones. And, it is expected that they will all be tested. What fun!

The Common Core standards do not require testing. No Child Left Behind (a federal law from 2001) requires testing. No Child Left Behind is unrelated to the Common Core standards. There was No Child Left Behind testing before the Common Core standards. No Child Left Behind requires all states to have testing, including states that did not adopt the Common Core standards.

A PP has pointed out that the developers of CC expected testing. A standard is meant to be measured. For the record, Race to the Top also requires testing. Common Core is a failure.

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Anonymous wrote:LMAO! It's quite comical to see the CC bashers trying one angle after another, only to crash and burn with a fallacious argument each time.

Actually, it's quite comical for the CC supporters not to understand that it is the PARCC and the Smarter Balanced tests that will be the end of the Common Core.

The people who devised the Common Core absolutely had testing in mind as a crucial piece of the Standards. They didn't need to add it into the standards because they knew the NCLB already required it. The standards WON"T EXIST WITHOUT THE TESTING.

But the testing will exist without the Common Core standards. So what's your point? The Common Core standards are bad because they are associated with testing that would occur with or without the Common Core standards?

However, ok. Your crystal ball says that the PARCC and Smarter Balanced tests will be the end of the Common Core standards, for some reason that you have not yet explained. Future events will show whether your crystal ball is correct.

I suggest you look around at early adopter states that have been testing the Common Core for awhile now. The experience is often terrible, especially for special education students. It will fuel the parents' and students' revolt.

You (or somebody) said that the PARCC and Smarter Balanced tests will be the end of the Common Core states. Those other states have not used the PARCC and Smarter Balanced tests.

For what it's worth, my school district (MCPS) participated in the field testing of the PARCC test last year. I did not hear any reports of students crying or throwing up in their seats. My child's teacher this year, who field-tested the PARCC test last year, told me that she found the test quite reasonable and did not expect it to cause problems.