Anonymous
11/06/2012 15:46
Subject: Sidwell football article in post....what are the parents saying?
I think this thread needs to be closed. No one is saying Sidwell sports are on par with DaMatha, but at the same time, they serve the students who participate and have had some decent successes over the years.
Anonymous
11/06/2012 12:50
Subject: Sidwell football article in post....what are the parents saying?
I think it's the Sidwell apologists who are in need of a life. As demonstrated by their "athletic" teams.
Anonymous
11/06/2012 09:23
Subject: Re:Sidwell football article in post....what are the parents saying?
Anonymous wrote:omg you people need to get a life.
Person. It's one crazy person.
Anonymous
11/06/2012 09:00
Subject: Re:Sidwell football article in post....what are the parents saying?
omg you people need to get a life.
Anonymous
11/05/2012 20:30
Subject: Sidwell football article in post....what are the parents saying?
Edited to fix typos:
Two other recent ISL examples:
1. In spring 2012, Georgetown Visitation won the ISL upper division (AA) lacrosse championship by winning the regular season (and breaking the bazillion year streak of St. Stephens St. Agnes), even though the Saints won the tournament.
2. In fall 2012, Bullis won the ISL field hockey championship by going undefeated in the regular season, although losing to the Saints in the tournament.
As a prior poster mentioned, movement between the ISL upper and lower divisions (AA and A), in the sports with two divisions, is determined based on the regular season. An actual cloth banner is awarded--to the regular season champ. And standings in the Lewis Cup, awarded to the best overall aggregate athletic performance in the ISL, are based on the regular season. At least once in the past 15-20 years (can't remember what year), they even cancelled most of the ISL fall tournaments and justified it on the grounds that the tournament didn't determine anything. There have occasionally been proposals to change things (for example, make the tournament winner co-champs if different from the regular season winner) but the changes have not been adopted. (Some say because in this "everyone gets a trophy" era, it heightens the chances that two programs can call themselves champs.)
Two other recent ISL examples:
1. In spring 2012, Georgetown Visitation won the ISL upper division (AA) lacrosse championship by winning the regular season (and breaking the bazillion year streak of St. Stephens St. Agnes), even though the Saints won the tournament.
2. In fall 2012, Bullis won the ISL field hockey championship by going undefeated in the regular season, although losing to the Saints in the tournament.
As a prior poster mentioned, movement between the ISL upper and lower divisions (AA and A), in the sports with two divisions, is determined based on the regular season. An actual cloth banner is awarded--to the regular season champ. And standings in the Lewis Cup, awarded to the best overall aggregate athletic performance in the ISL, are based on the regular season. At least once in the past 15-20 years (can't remember what year), they even cancelled most of the ISL fall tournaments and justified it on the grounds that the tournament didn't determine anything. There have occasionally been proposals to change things (for example, make the tournament winner co-champs if different from the regular season winner) but the changes have not been adopted. (Some say because in this "everyone gets a trophy" era, it heightens the chances that two programs can call themselves champs.)
Anonymous
11/05/2012 20:28
Subject: Sidwell football article in post....what are the parents saying?
Two other recent ISL examples:
1. In spring 2012, Georgetown Visitation won the ISL upper division (AA) championship by winning the regular season (and breaking the bazillion year streak of St. Stephens St. Agnes), even though the Saints won the tournament.
2. In fall 2012, Bullis won the ISL field hockey championship by going undefeated in the regular season, although losing to the Saints in the tournament.
As a prior poster mentioned, movement between the ISL upper and lower divisions (AA and A), in the sports with two divisions, is determined based on the regular season. An actual cloth banner is awarded--to the regular season champ. And standings in the Lewis Cup, awarded to the best overall aggregate athletic performance in the ISL, is based on the regular season. At least once in the past 5 years (can't remember what year), they even cancelled most of the ISL fall tournaments and justified it on the grounds that the tournament didn't determine anything. There have occasionally been proposals to change things (for example, make the tournament winner co-champs if different from the regular season winner) but the changes have not been adopted. (Some say because in this "everyone gets a trophy" era, it heightens the chances that two programs can call themselves champs.)
1. In spring 2012, Georgetown Visitation won the ISL upper division (AA) championship by winning the regular season (and breaking the bazillion year streak of St. Stephens St. Agnes), even though the Saints won the tournament.
2. In fall 2012, Bullis won the ISL field hockey championship by going undefeated in the regular season, although losing to the Saints in the tournament.
As a prior poster mentioned, movement between the ISL upper and lower divisions (AA and A), in the sports with two divisions, is determined based on the regular season. An actual cloth banner is awarded--to the regular season champ. And standings in the Lewis Cup, awarded to the best overall aggregate athletic performance in the ISL, is based on the regular season. At least once in the past 5 years (can't remember what year), they even cancelled most of the ISL fall tournaments and justified it on the grounds that the tournament didn't determine anything. There have occasionally been proposals to change things (for example, make the tournament winner co-champs if different from the regular season winner) but the changes have not been adopted. (Some say because in this "everyone gets a trophy" era, it heightens the chances that two programs can call themselves champs.)
Anonymous
11/05/2012 19:48
Subject: Sidwell football article in post....what are the parents saying?
Anonymous wrote:Having the best record in the regular season is nice, but winning the tournament determines the champion.
It is actually the exact opposite. The Post and various local papers often get this wrong, but I promise you the regular season record determines the official league champion for that calendar year. If your team wins the tournament you can say "ISL Tournament champs" and a lot of people won't know the difference. I say this as a coach of an ISL team that won the tournament but not the regular season, and believe me we wished it was the reverse although it was exciting and great fun to win our tournament.
The IAC and MAC do it differently but the ISL has done it this way for as long as I can remember.
Anonymous
11/05/2012 19:43
Subject: Sidwell football article in post....what are the parents saying?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Sidwell loses to the mighty frogs of Maret 35-19.
Sidwell GIRLS SOCCER won the league title (ISL AA) for the second year in a row.
That's incorrect. NCS is the champion, having defeated Visitation for the title.
In the ISL, the Banner (status as league champion) is determined solely on the basis of the regular season. The ISL tournament is free-standing. If you win it, you are the ISL Tournament champion but not the league champion. A little weird but that's how it works.
Anonymous
11/05/2012 16:53
Subject: Re:Sidwell football article in post....what are the parents saying?
Anonymous wrote:Actually no the banner goes to the regular season winner, the tournament champion is co-champion, but a single elimination tourney not the equal of a whole season of play. For movement from ISL A to AA and down from AA to A for instance the regular season standings count, not the tournament winner, so for instance Bullis will move to AA from A not Stone Ridge. Anyway both Sidwell and NCS had great teams this year, Sidwell won 3-1 in regular season, but in the tourney Sidwell was knocked out from the semi's by Visi (Visi finished only 4rth in season but have a fantastic national team level goalie who can keep them in games even that are one-sided) and then NCS beat Visi in the final.
Yeah, when we think of who is the champion of the NFL, we think of the team that finishes with the best regular season record. Nobody who wins the actual Super Bowl is considered the champion.
Anonymous
11/05/2012 16:24
Subject: Sidwell football article in post....what are the parents saying?
Oops. Link to DCSAA soccer tournament bracket:
http://osse.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/osse/release_content/attachments/DCSAA%20Releases%20Soccer%20Tournament%20Brackets%20_0.pdf
http://osse.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/osse/release_content/attachments/DCSAA%20Releases%20Soccer%20Tournament%20Brackets%20_0.pdf
Anonymous
11/05/2012 16:24
Subject: Sidwell football article in post....what are the parents saying?
Looks like NCS and Sidwell may get another chance to meet in the DCSAA soccer tournament this week.
Anonymous
11/05/2012 16:20
Subject: Re:Sidwell football article in post....what are the parents saying?
Actually no the banner goes to the regular season winner, the tournament champion is co-champion, but a single elimination tourney not the equal of a whole season of play. For movement from ISL A to AA and down from AA to A for instance the regular season standings count, not the tournament winner, so for instance Bullis will move to AA from A not Stone Ridge. Anyway both Sidwell and NCS had great teams this year, Sidwell won 3-1 in regular season, but in the tourney Sidwell was knocked out from the semi's by Visi (Visi finished only 4rth in season but have a fantastic national team level goalie who can keep them in games even that are one-sided) and then NCS beat Visi in the final.
Anonymous
11/05/2012 15:44
Subject: Sidwell football article in post....what are the parents saying?
Having the best record in the regular season is nice, but winning the tournament determines the champion.
Anonymous
11/05/2012 13:50
Subject: Sidwell football article in post....what are the parents saying?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Sidwell loses to the mighty frogs of Maret 35-19.
Sidwell GIRLS SOCCER won the league title (ISL AA) for the second year in a row.
That's incorrect. NCS is the champion, having defeated Visitation for the title.
Actually you are wrong. There is a regular season champ, Sidwell and a tournament champion. Sidwell lost to GV in the tournament.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/highschools/national-cathedral-stone-ridge-win-isl-soccer-titles/2012/11/04/1029be4c-2698-11e2-b2a0-ae18d6159439_story.html
"Georgetown Visitation — which upset regular season champion Sidwell Friends on Friday — managed to get the game to penalty kicks short-handed after a player received a red card for a dangerous challenge in the second overtime period."
Anonymous
11/05/2012 13:46
Subject: Sidwell football article in post....what are the parents saying?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Sidwell loses to the mighty frogs of Maret 35-19.
Sidwell GIRLS SOCCER won the league title (ISL AA) for the second year in a row.
That's incorrect. NCS is the champion, having defeated Visitation for the title.
You can both be right. Sidwell girls soccer were the ISL AA regular season champions, while NCS won the tournament this past weekend.
http://www.thesportsfannetwork.com/articles/6065-sidwell-friends-trounces-georgetown-visitation-to-clinch-isl-aa-banner/
http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/highschools/national-cathedral-stone-ridge-win-isl-soccer-titles/2012/11/04/1029be4c-2698-11e2-b2a0-ae18d6159439_story.html