Anonymous
Post 10/24/2023 19:01     Subject: Fairfax County Double Murder
if her mom had any sense she'd fly to va and tell her daughter to tell the truth for a better deal and get out of it.

bb's career and reputation are over. ap's crime could have been kept on down low in home country. they have no future together. even fob can't make it so. it's over. but her mom is using the bellows on the embers and f*ing up her daughter's life more. both mothers trashing victims does not change the reality of what they raised nor does it help their cases.

her mother rambling lies doesn't change reality. ap must have learned that delusion from her like bb learned narcissism at home too.
Anonymous
Post 10/24/2023 18:57     Subject: Re:Fairfax County Double Murder
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
She could be a 23 year old pistol packing nanny, but it’s very unlikely.
————
From a fetish or kink hypothesis based off where it’s speculated CB/JR met. Could AP/BB restrain CB until JR arrived and that’s when things unfold.
AP comes home, fires upon JR. BB enters home, follows through with CB and injuries himself during this or earlier when restraining CB.
First botched 911 call while realizing a need to sort stories and stage the scene, then the final call.



Agree with almost all of this. I also think CB was incapacitated, tied up or drugged or maybe both, it would make it all easier for the killers.

I think the first call was hung up when they realized CB was still alive.

I think BB wanted to claim he was the shooter because his service weapon was used. Obviously, if LE is certain he was not there, then he left it for AP. And forensics could tie his weapon to murder of JR. Wondering when/where he taught her to shoot well enough? JR was fit and into martial arts, he had to be killed quickly to be controlled. If the affair started when she extended in October, how quickly did they start planning to murder CB? Absolutely chilling.

I would not be surprised if BB injured himself to add "cred" to their tall tales.

I don't totally get why he could not have arrived and shot JR in the telling, matching presence with story. Why did he wait to arrive until after shooting? Same story of AP seeing him stab, shooting, could have been true for him. Why did he delay? Was it the plan or was he getting cold feet? It was also a risk if the AP could not kill/control JR quickly, better to have BB present for backup, yet, he was not.


Would've been easier for AP to stab CB if CB was still asleep (given time of day this occurred). Then call JR over .....


With that logic if JR was home in Springfield, CB wouldn’t survived his 40 minute commute to Herndon at 7am


(sigh) point is that APwouldn't have had to struggle as much w/CB if CB were asleep immediately prior to stabbing.


if AP was stabber that would have been charged. it was not.
Anonymous
Post 10/24/2023 18:56     Subject: Fairfax County Double Murder
Anonymous wrote:I just wanna know who stabbed Christine to death? I assume it was not Joe Ryan so it has to be either BB or the AU Pair. So since they charged the AU Pair with killing Ryan…it had to be BB?


that seems the likely charge coming

plus add ons if she flips

in a practical sense a small woman is far less likely to overpower another woman than a man and the visceral and violent nature of stabbing is very different than shooting. this way, both culpable, both keep silent.

not joe, le is not talking about holding him "accountable" and if it was him would not have likely charge au pair at all.
Anonymous
Post 10/24/2023 18:51     Subject: Re:Fairfax County Double Murder
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
She could be a 23 year old pistol packing nanny, but it’s very unlikely.
————
From a fetish or kink hypothesis based off where it’s speculated CB/JR met. Could AP/BB restrain CB until JR arrived and that’s when things unfold.
AP comes home, fires upon JR. BB enters home, follows through with CB and injuries himself during this or earlier when restraining CB.
First botched 911 call while realizing a need to sort stories and stage the scene, then the final call.



Agree with almost all of this. I also think CB was incapacitated, tied up or drugged or maybe both, it would make it all easier for the killers.

I think the first call was hung up when they realized CB was still alive.

I think BB wanted to claim he was the shooter because his service weapon was used. Obviously, if LE is certain he was not there, then he left it for AP. And forensics could tie his weapon to murder of JR. Wondering when/where he taught her to shoot well enough? JR was fit and into martial arts, he had to be killed quickly to be controlled. If the affair started when she extended in October, how quickly did they start planning to murder CB? Absolutely chilling.

I would not be surprised if BB injured himself to add "cred" to their tall tales.

I don't totally get why he could not have arrived and shot JR in the telling, matching presence with story. Why did he wait to arrive until after shooting? Same story of AP seeing him stab, shooting, could have been true for him. Why did he delay? Was it the plan or was he getting cold feet? It was also a risk if the AP could not kill/control JR quickly, better to have BB present for backup, yet, he was not.


Would've been easier for AP to stab CB if CB was still asleep (given time of day this occurred). Then call JR over .....


With that logic if JR was home in Springfield, CB wouldn’t survived his 40 minute commute to Herndon at 7am


(sigh) point is that APwouldn't have had to struggle as much w/CB if CB were asleep immediately prior to stabbing.
Anonymous
Post 10/24/2023 18:38     Subject: Fairfax County Double Murder
I just wanna know who stabbed Christine to death? I assume it was not Joe Ryan so it has to be either BB or the AU Pair. So since they charged the AU Pair with killing Ryan…it had to be BB?
Anonymous
Post 10/24/2023 18:37     Subject: Fairfax County Double Murder
Anonymous wrote:Lying to LE, then refusing to cooperate in a case involving the death of your wife, mom or your daughter, as LE yourself, seems to speak to his character imo.


well, murder, too
Anonymous
Post 10/24/2023 18:34     Subject: Fairfax County Double Murder
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Do not


gotcha

a lot of people around them seemed to think he was fbi.


it also makes more sense that he switched jobs at irs (his mom was also former irs) and moved here rather than switching completely and going to fbi.

it's ok if we stop talking about his car. i think people bicker vehemently over irrelevant trivial facts because the facts of this are SO upsetting. and so much of their lives is so relatable and familiar, i mean shots of the mall w/visiting friends or frying pan park, it hits the heart of dcum life.

so many post here about affairs, unhappy marriages, loneliness, midlife crises. but to have things escalate to this, and with a child present in the home, planned, well, thank goodness THAT outcome is rare.

side note: cannot stop that song going through my head, the lead singer has a very odd voice. i think bb got her hooked on that particular song for a reason. they had lots of hits but not so many about shielding a partner in crime.

such a shame that any of this happened. it didn't need to but it would have cost him some degree of control and money. human life matters more. after the cases reach their conclusion, i hope that christine and joe's families can find solace in their memories. and i hope the little girl beats the odds and manages to succeed without too much trauma and dysfunction repeating. hope she goes to christine's family. the dog too.
Anonymous
Post 10/24/2023 18:25     Subject: Fairfax County Double Murder
Anonymous wrote:Do not


gotcha

a lot of people around them seemed to think he was fbi.
Anonymous
Post 10/24/2023 18:21     Subject: Fairfax County Double Murder
Anonymous wrote:IRS-CI issues its SA firearms. IRS-CI SA generally carry their firearms during their TOD.


Interesting. Unless they coincidentally leave it home, unlocked, in the house of a preschooler, when 2 people just happen to get murdered there that day.

So between the gym outings and shooting range outings they were busy bees, eh?
Anonymous
Post 10/24/2023 18:17     Subject: Fairfax County Double Murder
Do not
Anonymous
Post 10/24/2023 18:17     Subject: Fairfax County Double Murder
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Maybe it was in the context of BB’s self-inflicted minor wound that the AP referred to on second 911 call as “my friend has been hurt”?



That's an interesting thought.

This is an interesting story. I don't know anyone involved. with that said, I offer the following:

BB went from a Tax Compliance Officer (TCO) to a Special Agent (SA) with IRS Criminal Investigation (IRS CI). BB was never a FBI Agent. Just want to repeat for clarity, BB was never a FBI Agent.

A TCO is a relatively lower level position that tops out pretty low on the GS scale. Lots of GS 15 talk on here. BB was likely a GS-12 or GS-13. He was (and maybe still is) a federal Leo (SA with IRS CI). If BB was ever higher than a GS-13, I'll eat my hat.

A SA with IRS CI includes a take home vehicle. If he was placed on admin leave, he would likely lose the take home vehicle. This may be why he may have purchased the Tesla.

There seems to be a lot of criticism about the law enforcements approach. The criticism implies that bc BB was Law Enforcement that he is receiving undue deference. I don't think this is the case. The investigators working this likely are very, very confident that they know who committed this crime. They are being meticulous in ensuring that they gather all the appropriate evidence to prove the allegations beyond a reasonable doubt. They have got there with the AP. They have been very, and appropriately careful, about any other charges they might bring.

IRS-CI issues its SA firearms. IRS-CI SA generally carry their firearms during their TOD.



This is all very interesting. His mom had been IRS too.

Thought people attributed "FBI" to Christine saying so? Maybe she said federal LE and people assumed FBI?

The academy in GA seems to be all fed LE, not just FBI.

https://www.fletc.gov/glynco-georgia


Don’t some agencies do training with or at FBI even though they’re not FBI? I have a friend who had to do some anti-terrorism training before going to a certain country for her job. They had a learn how to drive in reverse at high level speeds, dodge bullets, etc. She is with a govt agency but is is not FBI.


FLETC is not FBI. I am a civilian in a civilian agency and I have had training at FLETC.


Thanks for this. I wonder if he said "fed le" and people just assumed?
Anonymous
Post 10/24/2023 18:17     Subject: Fairfax County Double Murder
The FBI has its own Academy in Quantico. They do go to FLETC to train.
Anonymous
Post 10/24/2023 18:14     Subject: Re:Fairfax County Double Murder
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
She could be a 23 year old pistol packing nanny, but it’s very unlikely.
————
From a fetish or kink hypothesis based off where it’s speculated CB/JR met. Could AP/BB restrain CB until JR arrived and that’s when things unfold.
AP comes home, fires upon JR. BB enters home, follows through with CB and injuries himself during this or earlier when restraining CB.
First botched 911 call while realizing a need to sort stories and stage the scene, then the final call.


Agree with almost all of this. I also think CB was incapacitated, tied up or drugged or maybe both, it would make it all easier for the killers.

I think the first call was hung up when they realized CB was still alive.

I think BB wanted to claim he was the shooter because his service weapon was used. Obviously, if LE is certain he was not there, then he left it for AP. And forensics could tie his weapon to murder of JR. Wondering when/where he taught her to shoot well enough? JR was fit and into martial arts, he had to be killed quickly to be controlled. If the affair started when she extended in October, how quickly did they start planning to murder CB? Absolutely chilling.

I would not be surprised if BB injured himself to add "cred" to their tall tales.

I don't totally get why he could not have arrived and shot JR in the telling, matching presence with story. Why did he wait to arrive until after shooting? Same story of AP seeing him stab, shooting, could have been true for him. Why did he delay? Was it the plan or was he getting cold feet? It was also a risk if the AP could not kill/control JR quickly, better to have BB present for backup, yet, he was not.


This is what fundamentally doesn't make sense to me. If he took the fall because she used his weapon, why would they plan it that way? They wouldn't. They'd have him do the shooting (one less lie and less likely to go wrong given his fire arms experience)... more than that, they'd *definitely* have him be home. It doesn't make any sense the way it unfolded. Something went badly wrong and we just don't have enough info to know what that was yet.


She HAD to do the shooting and it had to be JR that was shot for the home invasion story. She could not overpower CB the way a man could and in all likelihood could not stab her to death, it is a very different crime to commit. BB needed her to be culpable to keep her quiet so she had to be the shooter.

The part I don't get is why he wasn't in the house when JR was shot.

She can hold out and they will both go to prison. Their folie a deux is over. Or she can flip, plead, not get much if any time and go back home. And BB will go to prison for longer. Only 2 options left on the table as to how this plays out. Even if she gets out, no visa now. He was her sponsor. She's going to Dulles one way or another.

That is why her mom running her mouth is not only unhelpful as it shows her daughter to be even more of a liar, but it ruins her prospects to a new audience. Where lots had not heard of this and where she may have been able to restart her life. They all put a lot of power into words.

I will shield you from the waves
If they find you
I will protect you
I will protect you


It was like BB was neurolinguistic programming her with that choice of FOB songs, dude is manipulative.
Anonymous
Post 10/24/2023 18:05     Subject: Fairfax County Double Murder
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Maybe it was in the context of BB’s self-inflicted minor wound that the AP referred to on second 911 call as “my friend has been hurt”?



That's an interesting thought.

This is an interesting story. I don't know anyone involved. with that said, I offer the following:

BB went from a Tax Compliance Officer (TCO) to a Special Agent (SA) with IRS Criminal Investigation (IRS CI). BB was never a FBI Agent. Just want to repeat for clarity, BB was never a FBI Agent.

A TCO is a relatively lower level position that tops out pretty low on the GS scale. Lots of GS 15 talk on here. BB was likely a GS-12 or GS-13. He was (and maybe still is) a federal Leo (SA with IRS CI). If BB was ever higher than a GS-13, I'll eat my hat.

A SA with IRS CI includes a take home vehicle. If he was placed on admin leave, he would likely lose the take home vehicle. This may be why he may have purchased the Tesla.

There seems to be a lot of criticism about the law enforcements approach. The criticism implies that bc BB was Law Enforcement that he is receiving undue deference. I don't think this is the case. The investigators working this likely are very, very confident that they know who committed this crime. They are being meticulous in ensuring that they gather all the appropriate evidence to prove the allegations beyond a reasonable doubt. They have got there with the AP. They have been very, and appropriately careful, about any other charges they might bring.

IRS-CI issues its SA firearms. IRS-CI SA generally carry their firearms during their TOD.



This is all very interesting. His mom had been IRS too.

Thought people attributed "FBI" to Christine saying so? Maybe she said federal LE and people assumed FBI?

The academy in GA seems to be all fed LE, not just FBI.

https://www.fletc.gov/glynco-georgia


Don’t some agencies do training with or at FBI even though they’re not FBI? I have a friend who had to do some anti-terrorism training before going to a certain country for her job. They had a learn how to drive in reverse at high level speeds, dodge bullets, etc. She is with a govt agency but is is not FBI.


FLETC is not FBI. I am a civilian in a civilian agency and I have had training at FLETC.
Anonymous
Post 10/24/2023 18:03     Subject: Fairfax County Double Murder
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Maybe it was in the context of BB’s self-inflicted minor wound that the AP referred to on second 911 call as “my friend has been hurt”?



That's an interesting thought.

This is an interesting story. I don't know anyone involved. with that said, I offer the following:

BB went from a Tax Compliance Officer (TCO) to a Special Agent (SA) with IRS Criminal Investigation (IRS CI). BB was never a FBI Agent. Just want to repeat for clarity, BB was never a FBI Agent.

A TCO is a relatively lower level position that tops out pretty low on the GS scale. Lots of GS 15 talk on here. BB was likely a GS-12 or GS-13. He was (and maybe still is) a federal Leo (SA with IRS CI). If BB was ever higher than a GS-13, I'll eat my hat.

A SA with IRS CI includes a take home vehicle. If he was placed on admin leave, he would likely lose the take home vehicle. This may be why he may have purchased the Tesla.

There seems to be a lot of criticism about the law enforcements approach. The criticism implies that bc BB was Law Enforcement that he is receiving undue deference. I don't think this is the case. The investigators working this likely are very, very confident that they know who committed this crime. They are being meticulous in ensuring that they gather all the appropriate evidence to prove the allegations beyond a reasonable doubt. They have got there with the AP. They have been very, and appropriately careful, about any other charges they might bring.

IRS-CI issues its SA firearms. IRS-CI SA generally carry their firearms during their TOD.



Thank you, and Teslas nowadays can be cheaper than Hondas. No one would be like "OMG, how can he afford a Honda?"