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Anonymous wrote:Harvard had "likeability" as a factor and that was determined to bring out bias among their readers. Stop assuming that all the colleges do the same thing as one of the most selective colleges in the country. Have you ever heard an AO at another college mention likeability?

IDK.. maybe there is. Until this lawsuit, I didn't know Harvard had a BS "likeability" factor. How do you know other colleges don't use that in their secret sauce?

Here is their "secret sauce": each university/college can pick who they want for their incoming class.

You just don't like their 'secret sauce".

The US Supreme Court will say NO to the secret sauce of racial discrimination.

They can go somewhere else and do whatever they want.

Wut?

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Anonymous wrote:China and India alone have almost 3 billion citizens.

Chinese immigrants number about 2 million a year to the US. Immigrants from India have about the same numbers.

These immigrants come here for education and better quality of life. They are a tiny percentage of Asians but they are the most likely to be hardest working with some money and family connections.

I have a friend who came here from China as a child. We have children in the same grade and are close. The rest of her extended family will not allow their children to be friends with American children. They see Americans as lazy and a distraction.

It’s a different culture and with that amount of people the Asian population could easily fill MIT, Harvard, etc a thousand times over. What are they supposed to do, especially if most of them go back to their country of origin?

I don’t understand the question…what are they supposed to do about what?

Why should we be sympathetic to the families that won’t assimilate?

What are you talking about
They are the ones who assimilate to the American way and American dream - hardworking and competition

No, the American way (which is what has made this country historically such a great place)…is that you are proud of your heritage but you are now an American and you want to embrace the country in its entirety (foibles and all). If America evolved with just a bunch of ethnic cliques keeping to themselves, the country would have a much lower GDP and overall quality of life.

Help us really understand why you are immigrating here. Someone posted a list of top engineering schools and 13/20 were in Asia, so no need to go to college in the US (in fact why would you?). If you apparently hate the people and the system…help us understand.

But the kids we are talking about are Asian AMERICAN. Their parents emigrated; they had no choice but to grow up here, become American and exist in this system. They are US citizens and can't just move back to a home country that they will never fit into.

All these hardworking, extremely intelligent asian Americans are supposed to be good soldiers and "take the hit" for American values -- they lose on both on Affirmative Action (wrong race) and on legacy admits( immigrant parents) to these elite schools. So many of these kids are the brightest ones in their high school, and they have to watch as other classmates are accepted while they are not. Of course they are going to get upset.

Well, honestly, if it were me, and I had the option to go to school in another country, I absolutely would. I think some of the posters are cutting off their nose to spite their own face.

But do they have the option of going to school in another country?

These kids are no dual citizens -- they are US citizens. They live here. Their parents live here. Often their aunts and uncles and cousins do too, and maybe their grandparents are still in Asia, but they have passed away by college, so they don't have a real extended family in Asia.

They are American. They are not conditional citizens. They can't just "go back." They have to exist within this system and yes, it's a lottery to get into these school, but kids of other races have "ins", like, again affirmative action and legacy admits, that Asian Americans don't have access to.

Funny how some become racial justice warriors only when their kid gets rejected.

It really boils down to " my Asian American kid doesn't have a hook to get into Harvard like the URMs and ALDCs - unfair! Bwwahhh!"

It's not about being a "racial justice warrior." The question of whether or not Asian Americans are being discriminated against in college admissions is such a legitimate question that it has gone to the Supreme Court. And when Asian Americans who bring it up here, they are being, honestly, gaslighted and made to feel that they are crazy when we can see that it may actually be happening.

The actual numbers prove otherwise. There is no shortage of Asian representation at any highly regarded university in this country. To be honest, their over representation feels more like gaslighting.

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Anonymous wrote:Harvard had "likeability" as a factor and that was determined to bring out bias among their readers. Stop assuming that all the colleges do the same thing as one of the most selective colleges in the country. Have you ever heard an AO at another college mention likeability?

IDK.. maybe there is. Until this lawsuit, I didn't know Harvard had a BS "likeability" factor. How do you know other colleges don't use that in their secret sauce?

Exactly, who would've thought that one of the most prestigious highest level educational institution in the US was dirty like that.

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Anonymous wrote:Harvard had "likeability" as a factor and that was determined to bring out bias among their readers. Stop assuming that all the colleges do the same thing as one of the most selective colleges in the country. Have you ever heard an AO at another college mention likeability?

IDK.. maybe there is. Until this lawsuit, I didn't know Harvard had a BS "likeability" factor. How do you know other colleges don't use that in their secret sauce?

Here is their "secret sauce": each university/college can pick who they want for their incoming class.

You just don't like their 'secret sauce".

The US Supreme Court will say NO to the secret sauce of racial discrimination.

They can go somewhere else and do whatever they want.

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Americans go abroad for college because (wait for it)

There is no room at American colleges.

Are you beginning to understand now?

Here's some reading for you.
The Great Enrollment Crash by Bucknell's chief enrollment officer as well as "‘Welcome to the Wild West: The Competition for College Applicants Just Intensified" by Eric Hoover which describes the great lengths to which colleges now must go to attract applicants. This is an effect that starts with the colleges with the worst payoff/price ratio but you'd have to be naive to believe that there's no trickle down effect (or trickle up, as the case may be).
Here's a quote from the article:

The handwriting was probably on the wall, as the national, first-year discount rate had already
crested the 50-percent mark; according to the National Association of College and University
Business Officers (NACUBO), it was 39 percent as recently as 2008. This steep rise is
significantly fueled by colleges that have adopted the airline pricing model: If the plane is going
to fly anyway (and if there are still spots open), no harm in getting even pennies on an otherwise
unsold ticket. For colleges discounting at or above the national figure, this is unlikely to be a
sustainable strategy. However, in the meantime, they are no doubt pulling students away from
colleges that expect full-pay or better-pay students to foot the true bill. In short, price sensitivity
is a structural reality when supply (number of college beds and desks) is greater than demand.

As a side note, some of the changes discussed there include
- allowing incentives for EA/ED applicants
- allowing universities to pursue already committed students after May 1
- allowing universities to pursue transfer students if they previously applied

I'd actually be curious how often this occurs - did lots of kids get generous offers once on the waiting list in the summer months from a college that originally didn't accept them?

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Anonymous wrote:China and India alone have almost 3 billion citizens.

Chinese immigrants number about 2 million a year to the US. Immigrants from India have about the same numbers.

These immigrants come here for education and better quality of life. They are a tiny percentage of Asians but they are the most likely to be hardest working with some money and family connections.

I have a friend who came here from China as a child. We have children in the same grade and are close. The rest of her extended family will not allow their children to be friends with American children. They see Americans as lazy and a distraction.

It’s a different culture and with that amount of people the Asian population could easily fill MIT, Harvard, etc a thousand times over. What are they supposed to do, especially if most of them go back to their country of origin?

I don’t understand the question…what are they supposed to do about what?

Why should we be sympathetic to the families that won’t assimilate?

What are you talking about
They are the ones who assimilate to the American way and American dream - hardworking and competition

No, the American way (which is what has made this country historically such a great place)…is that you are proud of your heritage but you are now an American and you want to embrace the country in its entirety (foibles and all). If America evolved with just a bunch of ethnic cliques keeping to themselves, the country would have a much lower GDP and overall quality of life.

Help us really understand why you are immigrating here. Someone posted a list of top engineering schools and 13/20 were in Asia, so no need to go to college in the US (in fact why would you?). If you apparently hate the people and the system…help us understand.

But the kids we are talking about are Asian AMERICAN. Their parents emigrated; they had no choice but to grow up here, become American and exist in this system. They are US citizens and can't just move back to a home country that they will never fit into.

All these hardworking, extremely intelligent asian Americans are supposed to be good soldiers and "take the hit" for American values -- they lose on both on Affirmative Action (wrong race) and on legacy admits( immigrant parents) to these elite schools. So many of these kids are the brightest ones in their high school, and they have to watch as other classmates are accepted while they are not. Of course they are going to get upset.

Well, honestly, if it were me, and I had the option to go to school in another country, I absolutely would. I think some of the posters are cutting off their nose to spite their own face.

But do they have the option of going to school in another country?

These kids are no dual citizens -- they are US citizens. They live here. Their parents live here. Often their aunts and uncles and cousins do too, and maybe their grandparents are still in Asia, but they have passed away by college, so they don't have a real extended family in Asia.

They are American. They are not conditional citizens. They can't just "go back." They have to exist within this system and yes, it's a lottery to get into these school, but kids of other races have "ins", like, again affirmative action and legacy admits, that Asian Americans don't have access to.

I don't understand what you are talking about. Every year, thousands of American-born and bred kids go to school in Canada, UK, Europe, etc. They aren't dual citizens or have any family or friends in these countries...they just made a conscious decision to go abroad for college.

How is it any different than your kids deciding to go abroad to the many top Chinese/HK/Singapore/India colleges? How is it any different than the thousands of native Chinese, Indians, etc. who attend college in the US?

Thank you for raising this issue.

Americans go abroad for college because (wait for it)

There is no room at American colleges.

Are you beginning to understand now?

It's totally the opposite actually.
There are 4000+ colleges in the US.

The seats are much smaller in other countries.
They are more controlled.

Yup - but people want an "answer" to "how to get in" to T20, and there is no answer.

The "answer" is to let your kid shine at being themselves, not shine at how good their tutor is. But supposedly that is a rubbish, lazy, White American idea, and only certain schools will do, and only having an "answer", through tutors, etc. will do.

What they have been told all this time is not working (or the "answer"), and people are upset, and think it is some kind of "conspiracy" to keep Asians out, when it clearly is not.

Are you the US Supreme Court?

I would rather go with the US Supreme Court.

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Anonymous wrote:Let’s let the census drive the discussion. A university can have up to the maximum per category below. If they don’t get enough applicants per category then they can take the next most qualified from another category.

White - 59.3%
Hispanic - 18.9%
Black -12.6%
Asian - 5.9%
Multiracial - 2.3%
American Indian/Alaska Native - 0.7%
Native Hawaiian/Pacific Islander - 0.3%

Exactly. Wow, you must be good with numbers!

To add, there are far more Asians at T20 than the census represents. So, if anything, wouldn't the U.S. Supreme Court reduce the number of Asians admitted to top schools?

Anonymous wrote:Let’s let the census drive the discussion. A university can have up to the maximum per category below. If they don’t get enough applicants per category then they can take the next most qualified from another category.

White - 59.3%
Hispanic - 18.9%
Black -12.6%
Asian - 5.9%
Multiracial - 2.3%
American Indian/Alaska Native - 0.7%
Native Hawaiian/Pacific Islander - 0.3%

Exactly. Wow, you must be good with numbers!

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Anonymous wrote:China and India alone have almost 3 billion citizens.

Chinese immigrants number about 2 million a year to the US. Immigrants from India have about the same numbers.

These immigrants come here for education and better quality of life. They are a tiny percentage of Asians but they are the most likely to be hardest working with some money and family connections.

I have a friend who came here from China as a child. We have children in the same grade and are close. The rest of her extended family will not allow their children to be friends with American children. They see Americans as lazy and a distraction.

It’s a different culture and with that amount of people the Asian population could easily fill MIT, Harvard, etc a thousand times over. What are they supposed to do, especially if most of them go back to their country of origin?

I don’t understand the question…what are they supposed to do about what?

Why should we be sympathetic to the families that won’t assimilate?

What are you talking about
They are the ones who assimilate to the American way and American dream - hardworking and competition

No, the American way (which is what has made this country historically such a great place)…is that you are proud of your heritage but you are now an American and you want to embrace the country in its entirety (foibles and all). If America evolved with just a bunch of ethnic cliques keeping to themselves, the country would have a much lower GDP and overall quality of life.

Help us really understand why you are immigrating here. Someone posted a list of top engineering schools and 13/20 were in Asia, so no need to go to college in the US (in fact why would you?). If you apparently hate the people and the system…help us understand.

But the kids we are talking about are Asian AMERICAN. Their parents emigrated; they had no choice but to grow up here, become American and exist in this system. They are US citizens and can't just move back to a home country that they will never fit into.

All these hardworking, extremely intelligent asian Americans are supposed to be good soldiers and "take the hit" for American values -- they lose on both on Affirmative Action (wrong race) and on legacy admits( immigrant parents) to these elite schools. So many of these kids are the brightest ones in their high school, and they have to watch as other classmates are accepted while they are not. Of course they are going to get upset.

Well, honestly, if it were me, and I had the option to go to school in another country, I absolutely would. I think some of the posters are cutting off their nose to spite their own face.

But do they have the option of going to school in another country?

These kids are no dual citizens -- they are US citizens. They live here. Their parents live here. Often their aunts and uncles and cousins do too, and maybe their grandparents are still in Asia, but they have passed away by college, so they don't have a real extended family in Asia.

They are American. They are not conditional citizens. They can't just "go back." They have to exist within this system and yes, it's a lottery to get into these school, but kids of other races have "ins", like, again affirmative action and legacy admits, that Asian Americans don't have access to.

I don't understand what you are talking about. Every year, thousands of American-born and bred kids go to school in Canada, UK, Europe, etc. They aren't dual citizens or have any family or friends in these countries...they just made a conscious decision to go abroad for college.

How is it any different than your kids deciding to go abroad to the many top Chinese/HK/Singapore/India colleges? How is it any different than the thousands of native Chinese, Indians, etc. who attend college in the US?

Thank you for raising this issue.

Americans go abroad for college because (wait for it)

There is no room at American colleges.

Are you beginning to understand now?

There is plenty of room at American colleges. Just not the T25-50 schools. If that is the only ones you want to attend, then yes you are free to go abroad.

If Americans are so "stupid", why would anyone want to go to school here?

Let’s let the census drive the discussion. A university can have up to the maximum per category below. If they don’t get enough applicants per category then they can take the next most qualified from another category.

White - 59.3%
Hispanic - 18.9%
Black -12.6%
Asian - 5.9%
Multiracial - 2.3%
American Indian/Alaska Native - 0.7%
Native Hawaiian/Pacific Islander - 0.3%

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Anonymous wrote:China and India alone have almost 3 billion citizens.

Chinese immigrants number about 2 million a year to the US. Immigrants from India have about the same numbers.

These immigrants come here for education and better quality of life. They are a tiny percentage of Asians but they are the most likely to be hardest working with some money and family connections.

I have a friend who came here from China as a child. We have children in the same grade and are close. The rest of her extended family will not allow their children to be friends with American children. They see Americans as lazy and a distraction.

It’s a different culture and with that amount of people the Asian population could easily fill MIT, Harvard, etc a thousand times over. What are they supposed to do, especially if most of them go back to their country of origin?

I don’t understand the question…what are they supposed to do about what?

Why should we be sympathetic to the families that won’t assimilate?

What are you talking about
They are the ones who assimilate to the American way and American dream - hardworking and competition

No, the American way (which is what has made this country historically such a great place)…is that you are proud of your heritage but you are now an American and you want to embrace the country in its entirety (foibles and all). If America evolved with just a bunch of ethnic cliques keeping to themselves, the country would have a much lower GDP and overall quality of life.

Help us really understand why you are immigrating here. Someone posted a list of top engineering schools and 13/20 were in Asia, so no need to go to college in the US (in fact why would you?). If you apparently hate the people and the system…help us understand.

But the kids we are talking about are Asian AMERICAN. Their parents emigrated; they had no choice but to grow up here, become American and exist in this system. They are US citizens and can't just move back to a home country that they will never fit into.

All these hardworking, extremely intelligent asian Americans are supposed to be good soldiers and "take the hit" for American values -- they lose on both on Affirmative Action (wrong race) and on legacy admits( immigrant parents) to these elite schools. So many of these kids are the brightest ones in their high school, and they have to watch as other classmates are accepted while they are not. Of course they are going to get upset.

Well, honestly, if it were me, and I had the option to go to school in another country, I absolutely would. I think some of the posters are cutting off their nose to spite their own face.

But do they have the option of going to school in another country?

These kids are no dual citizens -- they are US citizens. They live here. Their parents live here. Often their aunts and uncles and cousins do too, and maybe their grandparents are still in Asia, but they have passed away by college, so they don't have a real extended family in Asia.

They are American. They are not conditional citizens. They can't just "go back." They have to exist within this system and yes, it's a lottery to get into these school, but kids of other races have "ins", like, again affirmative action and legacy admits, that Asian Americans don't have access to.

I don't understand what you are talking about. Every year, thousands of American-born and bred kids go to school in Canada, UK, Europe, etc. They aren't dual citizens or have any family or friends in these countries...they just made a conscious decision to go abroad for college.

How is it any different than your kids deciding to go abroad to the many top Chinese/HK/Singapore/India colleges? How is it any different than the thousands of native Chinese, Indians, etc. who attend college in the US?

Thank you for raising this issue.

Americans go abroad for college because (wait for it)

There is no room at American colleges.

Are you beginning to understand now?

There is plenty of room at American colleges. Just not the T25-50 schools. If that is the only ones you want to attend, then yes you are free to go abroad.

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Anonymous wrote:China and India alone have almost 3 billion citizens.

Chinese immigrants number about 2 million a year to the US. Immigrants from India have about the same numbers.

These immigrants come here for education and better quality of life. They are a tiny percentage of Asians but they are the most likely to be hardest working with some money and family connections.

I have a friend who came here from China as a child. We have children in the same grade and are close. The rest of her extended family will not allow their children to be friends with American children. They see Americans as lazy and a distraction.

It’s a different culture and with that amount of people the Asian population could easily fill MIT, Harvard, etc a thousand times over. What are they supposed to do, especially if most of them go back to their country of origin?

I don’t understand the question…what are they supposed to do about what?

Why should we be sympathetic to the families that won’t assimilate?

What are you talking about
They are the ones who assimilate to the American way and American dream - hardworking and competition

No, the American way (which is what has made this country historically such a great place)…is that you are proud of your heritage but you are now an American and you want to embrace the country in its entirety (foibles and all). If America evolved with just a bunch of ethnic cliques keeping to themselves, the country would have a much lower GDP and overall quality of life.

Help us really understand why you are immigrating here. Someone posted a list of top engineering schools and 13/20 were in Asia, so no need to go to college in the US (in fact why would you?). If you apparently hate the people and the system…help us understand.

But the kids we are talking about are Asian AMERICAN. Their parents emigrated; they had no choice but to grow up here, become American and exist in this system. They are US citizens and can't just move back to a home country that they will never fit into.

All these hardworking, extremely intelligent asian Americans are supposed to be good soldiers and "take the hit" for American values -- they lose on both on Affirmative Action (wrong race) and on legacy admits( immigrant parents) to these elite schools. So many of these kids are the brightest ones in their high school, and they have to watch as other classmates are accepted while they are not. Of course they are going to get upset.

Well, honestly, if it were me, and I had the option to go to school in another country, I absolutely would. I think some of the posters are cutting off their nose to spite their own face.

But do they have the option of going to school in another country?

These kids are no dual citizens -- they are US citizens. They live here. Their parents live here. Often their aunts and uncles and cousins do too, and maybe their grandparents are still in Asia, but they have passed away by college, so they don't have a real extended family in Asia.

They are American. They are not conditional citizens. They can't just "go back." They have to exist within this system and yes, it's a lottery to get into these school, but kids of other races have "ins", like, again affirmative action and legacy admits, that Asian Americans don't have access to.

I don't understand what you are talking about. Every year, thousands of American-born and bred kids go to school in Canada, UK, Europe, etc. They aren't dual citizens or have any family or friends in these countries...they just made a conscious decision to go abroad for college.

How is it any different than your kids deciding to go abroad to the many top Chinese/HK/Singapore/India colleges? How is it any different than the thousands of native Chinese, Indians, etc. who attend college in the US?

Thank you for raising this issue.

Americans go abroad for college because (wait for it)

There is no room at American colleges.

Are you beginning to understand now?

It's totally the opposite actually.
There are 4000+ colleges in the US.

The seats are much smaller in other countries.
They are more controlled.

Yup - but people want an "answer" to "how to get in" to T20, and there is no answer.

The "answer" is to let your kid shine at being themselves, not shine at how good their tutor is. But supposedly that is a rubbish, lazy, White American idea, and only certain schools will do, and only having an "answer", through tutors, etc. will do.

What they have been told all this time is not working (or the "answer"), and people are upset, and think it is some kind of "conspiracy" to keep Asians out, when it clearly is not.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:China and India alone have almost 3 billion citizens.

Chinese immigrants number about 2 million a year to the US. Immigrants from India have about the same numbers.

These immigrants come here for education and better quality of life. They are a tiny percentage of Asians but they are the most likely to be hardest working with some money and family connections.

I have a friend who came here from China as a child. We have children in the same grade and are close. The rest of her extended family will not allow their children to be friends with American children. They see Americans as lazy and a distraction.

It’s a different culture and with that amount of people the Asian population could easily fill MIT, Harvard, etc a thousand times over. What are they supposed to do, especially if most of them go back to their country of origin?

I don’t understand the question…what are they supposed to do about what?

Why should we be sympathetic to the families that won’t assimilate?

What are you talking about
They are the ones who assimilate to the American way and American dream - hardworking and competition

No, the American way (which is what has made this country historically such a great place)…is that you are proud of your heritage but you are now an American and you want to embrace the country in its entirety (foibles and all). If America evolved with just a bunch of ethnic cliques keeping to themselves, the country would have a much lower GDP and overall quality of life.

Help us really understand why you are immigrating here. Someone posted a list of top engineering schools and 13/20 were in Asia, so no need to go to college in the US (in fact why would you?). If you apparently hate the people and the system…help us understand.

But the kids we are talking about are Asian AMERICAN. Their parents emigrated; they had no choice but to grow up here, become American and exist in this system. They are US citizens and can't just move back to a home country that they will never fit into.

All these hardworking, extremely intelligent asian Americans are supposed to be good soldiers and "take the hit" for American values -- they lose on both on Affirmative Action (wrong race) and on legacy admits( immigrant parents) to these elite schools. So many of these kids are the brightest ones in their high school, and they have to watch as other classmates are accepted while they are not. Of course they are going to get upset.

Well, honestly, if it were me, and I had the option to go to school in another country, I absolutely would. I think some of the posters are cutting off their nose to spite their own face.

But do they have the option of going to school in another country?

These kids are no dual citizens -- they are US citizens. They live here. Their parents live here. Often their aunts and uncles and cousins do too, and maybe their grandparents are still in Asia, but they have passed away by college, so they don't have a real extended family in Asia.

They are American. They are not conditional citizens. They can't just "go back." They have to exist within this system and yes, it's a lottery to get into these school, but kids of other races have "ins", like, again affirmative action and legacy admits, that Asian Americans don't have access to.

I don't understand what you are talking about. Every year, thousands of American-born and bred kids go to school in Canada, UK, Europe, etc. They aren't dual citizens or have any family or friends in these countries...they just made a conscious decision to go abroad for college.

How is it any different than your kids deciding to go abroad to the many top Chinese/HK/Singapore/India colleges? How is it any different than the thousands of native Chinese, Indians, etc. who attend college in the US?

Thank you for raising this issue.

Americans go abroad for college because (wait for it)

There is no room at American colleges.

Are you beginning to understand now?

There is plenty of room at American colleges. Just not the T25-50 schools. If that is the only ones you want to attend, then yes you are free to go abroad.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:China and India alone have almost 3 billion citizens.

Chinese immigrants number about 2 million a year to the US. Immigrants from India have about the same numbers.

These immigrants come here for education and better quality of life. They are a tiny percentage of Asians but they are the most likely to be hardest working with some money and family connections.

I have a friend who came here from China as a child. We have children in the same grade and are close. The rest of her extended family will not allow their children to be friends with American children. They see Americans as lazy and a distraction.

It’s a different culture and with that amount of people the Asian population could easily fill MIT, Harvard, etc a thousand times over. What are they supposed to do, especially if most of them go back to their country of origin?

I don’t understand the question…what are they supposed to do about what?

Why should we be sympathetic to the families that won’t assimilate?

What are you talking about
They are the ones who assimilate to the American way and American dream - hardworking and competition

No, the American way (which is what has made this country historically such a great place)…is that you are proud of your heritage but you are now an American and you want to embrace the country in its entirety (foibles and all). If America evolved with just a bunch of ethnic cliques keeping to themselves, the country would have a much lower GDP and overall quality of life.

Help us really understand why you are immigrating here. Someone posted a list of top engineering schools and 13/20 were in Asia, so no need to go to college in the US (in fact why would you?). If you apparently hate the people and the system…help us understand.

But the kids we are talking about are Asian AMERICAN. Their parents emigrated; they had no choice but to grow up here, become American and exist in this system. They are US citizens and can't just move back to a home country that they will never fit into.

All these hardworking, extremely intelligent asian Americans are supposed to be good soldiers and "take the hit" for American values -- they lose on both on Affirmative Action (wrong race) and on legacy admits( immigrant parents) to these elite schools. So many of these kids are the brightest ones in their high school, and they have to watch as other classmates are accepted while they are not. Of course they are going to get upset.

Well, honestly, if it were me, and I had the option to go to school in another country, I absolutely would. I think some of the posters are cutting off their nose to spite their own face.

But do they have the option of going to school in another country?

These kids are no dual citizens -- they are US citizens. They live here. Their parents live here. Often their aunts and uncles and cousins do too, and maybe their grandparents are still in Asia, but they have passed away by college, so they don't have a real extended family in Asia.

They are American. They are not conditional citizens. They can't just "go back." They have to exist within this system and yes, it's a lottery to get into these school, but kids of other races have "ins", like, again affirmative action and legacy admits, that Asian Americans don't have access to.

I don't understand what you are talking about. Every year, thousands of American-born and bred kids go to school in Canada, UK, Europe, etc. They aren't dual citizens or have any family or friends in these countries...they just made a conscious decision to go abroad for college.

How is it any different than your kids deciding to go abroad to the many top Chinese/HK/Singapore/India colleges? How is it any different than the thousands of native Chinese, Indians, etc. who attend college in the US?

Thank you for raising this issue.

Americans go abroad for college because (wait for it)

There is no room at American colleges.

Are you beginning to understand now?

There's plenty of room at American colleges. Even at the University of California, which is in huge demand and has very low acceptance rates for public schools, there are almost always spots available at UC Riverside and UC Merced. In fact, there's such a surplus of spaces that schools are closing every year. Moreover, if there simply weren't enough spots in college, the market would correct that pretty quickly.

The problem is that a lot of parents and kids turn up their noses at the options that are available.

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Agree that certain parents only want bragging rights.

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Anonymous wrote:China and India alone have almost 3 billion citizens.

Chinese immigrants number about 2 million a year to the US. Immigrants from India have about the same numbers.

These immigrants come here for education and better quality of life. They are a tiny percentage of Asians but they are the most likely to be hardest working with some money and family connections.

I have a friend who came here from China as a child. We have children in the same grade and are close. The rest of her extended family will not allow their children to be friends with American children. They see Americans as lazy and a distraction.

It’s a different culture and with that amount of people the Asian population could easily fill MIT, Harvard, etc a thousand times over. What are they supposed to do, especially if most of them go back to their country of origin?

I don’t understand the question…what are they supposed to do about what?

Why should we be sympathetic to the families that won’t assimilate?

What are you talking about
They are the ones who assimilate to the American way and American dream - hardworking and competition

No, the American way (which is what has made this country historically such a great place)…is that you are proud of your heritage but you are now an American and you want to embrace the country in its entirety (foibles and all). If America evolved with just a bunch of ethnic cliques keeping to themselves, the country would have a much lower GDP and overall quality of life.

Help us really understand why you are immigrating here. Someone posted a list of top engineering schools and 13/20 were in Asia, so no need to go to college in the US (in fact why would you?). If you apparently hate the people and the system…help us understand.

But the kids we are talking about are Asian AMERICAN. Their parents emigrated; they had no choice but to grow up here, become American and exist in this system. They are US citizens and can't just move back to a home country that they will never fit into.

All these hardworking, extremely intelligent asian Americans are supposed to be good soldiers and "take the hit" for American values -- they lose on both on Affirmative Action (wrong race) and on legacy admits( immigrant parents) to these elite schools. So many of these kids are the brightest ones in their high school, and they have to watch as other classmates are accepted while they are not. Of course they are going to get upset.

Well, honestly, if it were me, and I had the option to go to school in another country, I absolutely would. I think some of the posters are cutting off their nose to spite their own face.

But do they have the option of going to school in another country?

These kids are no dual citizens -- they are US citizens. They live here. Their parents live here. Often their aunts and uncles and cousins do too, and maybe their grandparents are still in Asia, but they have passed away by college, so they don't have a real extended family in Asia.

They are American. They are not conditional citizens. They can't just "go back." They have to exist within this system and yes, it's a lottery to get into these school, but kids of other races have "ins", like, again affirmative action and legacy admits, that Asian Americans don't have access to.

I don't understand what you are talking about. Every year, thousands of American-born and bred kids go to school in Canada, UK, Europe, etc. They aren't dual citizens or have any family or friends in these countries...they just made a conscious decision to go abroad for college.

How is it any different than your kids deciding to go abroad to the many top Chinese/HK/Singapore/India colleges? How is it any different than the thousands of native Chinese, Indians, etc. who attend college in the US?

Thank you for raising this issue.

Americans go abroad for college because (wait for it)

There is no room at American colleges.

Are you beginning to understand now?

There's plenty of room at American colleges. Even at the University of California, which is in huge demand and has very low acceptance rates for public schools, there are almost always spots available at UC Riverside and UC Merced. In fact, there's such a surplus of spaces that schools are closing every year. Moreover, if there simply weren't enough spots in college, the market would correct that pretty quickly.

The problem is that a lot of parents and kids turn up their noses at the options that are available.