Anonymous
01/05/2023 11:36
Subject: Speaker of the House Vote Thread
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Maybe it's already in the thread, but isn't there some sense in several Ds giving votes to McCarthy for concessions instead of him bowing to the RW?
JFC, for the last time, this is not Democrats problem to solve! News flash, KM IS RW! He’s giving the bomb throwers everything they’ve asked for. Stop asking Dems to clean up GOP sh!t. Again, any Rs who want to govern can reach out to Jeffries. Until then, we can all see who are the grownups and who are the children. Next election, vote accordingly.
Not suggesting in any way that it's the D's problem to solve, but that the Ds could capitalize on the chaos to secure committee seats, debt ceiling votes, whatever else. I think Pelosi is right and had the Rs been the leaders during 1/6, we would not be a (version of a) democracy today. We all have to live here for the next 2 years, and I don't want to just see who the adults are - I want a functioning government that can at the very least ensure our country continues to exist.
They wouldn’t secure any of those things. All those things require separate House votes, not dictates of the Speaker. Everything the House does for the next two years will require a separate vote to come to the floor.
But the Speaker controls what the House votes on. A sane Speaker could just tell the crazies to stuff it and put a debt ceiling vote on the floor, get all 212 Democratic votes and a handful of Republican votes. But one who is captive to the crazies will just never let that vote happen.
Anonymous
01/05/2023 11:34
Subject: Speaker of the House Vote Thread
McCarthy has no power to yield othe than what the terrorist caucus deign to give him. He wins absolutely nothing. He is prepared to hand away control not for the good of the country, or for the effective governance of the House, but only to be seen holding the gavel. He can’t even stop his laundry list of concessions being leaked to the media in real time. He’s being paraded through the halls of Congress naked while Gaetz and his cabal lead shouts of “shame … shame … shame.”
Anonymous
01/05/2023 11:25
Subject: Speaker of the House Vote Thread
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Maybe it's already in the thread, but isn't there some sense in several Ds giving votes to McCarthy for concessions instead of him bowing to the RW?
Would you trust any concession your received from McCarthy?
I wouldn't.
THIS. Plus, if he gives Democrats concessions, he’ll lose some Republicans.
Anonymous
01/05/2023 11:24
Subject: Speaker of the House Vote Thread
Anonymous wrote:and weren't the R's so self righteous when Nancy was whipping for votes? Now Nancy KNEW how to get it done. Kevin could learn a thing or two from her.
+1 Worth noting that Pelosi’s majority this past term was just as slim as the GOP’s now and they got a ton done.
Anonymous
01/05/2023 11:18
Subject: Speaker of the House Vote Thread
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Maybe it's already in the thread, but isn't there some sense in several Ds giving votes to McCarthy for concessions instead of him bowing to the RW?
JFC, for the last time, this is not Democrats problem to solve! News flash, KM IS RW! He’s giving the bomb throwers everything they’ve asked for. Stop asking Dems to clean up GOP sh!t. Again, any Rs who want to govern can reach out to Jeffries. Until then, we can all see who are the grownups and who are the children. Next election, vote accordingly.
This. In November 2024, no one will remember that the Democrats were the grownups in the room to end the vote. The average American does not care about this chaos. The concessions McCarthy is making is weakening the Speaker's role. The Democrats will benefit from this.
We all lose when whoever is speaker refuses to raise the debt ceiling creating global economic chaos that benefits the Russians and China.
THAT is what this is all about.
Which is why the Dems should coalesce with whatever sane repiublicans are left to get someone in there who will do the bare minumum not to destroy our country and the global economy.
Well it will benefit the Democrats if the voters finally throw out the anti govt bomb throwers. They will y realize that in fact.. they do need a functioning government.
if the anti government bomb throwers are successful, it will be too late
If McCarthy can't control them, the concessions that he's offering will make it easy for moderates to pull him down.
Concessions mean nothing. If he’s speaker he won and he wields the power. Period.
If he hast to give all these concessions, it shows he doesn’t have any power. One of the concessions is that just one member can move to discharge him.
Anonymous
01/05/2023 11:10
Subject: Speaker of the House Vote Thread
At what point will some of the more moderate Rs withdraw support for KM for rolling over to the Freedom Caucus. They are 90% of the conference. He needs them, too.
Anonymous
01/05/2023 11:08
Subject: Speaker of the House Vote Thread
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Maybe it's already in the thread, but isn't there some sense in several Ds giving votes to McCarthy for concessions instead of him bowing to the RW?
JFC, for the last time, this is not Democrats problem to solve! News flash, KM IS RW! He’s giving the bomb throwers everything they’ve asked for. Stop asking Dems to clean up GOP sh!t. Again, any Rs who want to govern can reach out to Jeffries. Until then, we can all see who are the grownups and who are the children. Next election, vote accordingly.
This. In November 2024, no one will remember that the Democrats were the grownups in the room to end the vote. The average American does not care about this chaos. The concessions McCarthy is making is weakening the Speaker's role. The Democrats will benefit from this.
We all lose when whoever is speaker refuses to raise the debt ceiling creating global economic chaos that benefits the Russians and China.
THAT is what this is all about.
Which is why the Dems should coalesce with whatever sane repiublicans are left to get someone in there who will do the bare minumum not to destroy our country and the global economy.
Well it will benefit the Democrats if the voters finally throw out the anti govt bomb throwers. They will y realize that in fact.. they do need a functioning government.
if the anti government bomb throwers are successful, it will be too late
If McCarthy can't control them, the concessions that he's offering will make it easy for moderates to pull him down.
Concessions mean nothing. If he’s speaker he won and he wields the power. Period.
concessions would be part of a rules package, but if he doesn't have the votes, it won't pass. According to politico, he's offering chairmanships to freedom party members which isn't going over well with the members who were in line for the positions.
As they should be, I'd be livid if I was losing a chairmanship to one of these idiots who are being rewarded for their bad behavior.
They should not be rewarded.
If 10 of them get together and refuse to vote for McCarthy unless he refuses concessions, they can block him. At this point, I'm rooting for republican chaos
Anonymous
01/05/2023 11:05
Subject: Speaker of the House Vote Thread
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Maybe it's already in the thread, but isn't there some sense in several Ds giving votes to McCarthy for concessions instead of him bowing to the RW?
JFC, for the last time, this is not Democrats problem to solve! News flash, KM IS RW! He’s giving the bomb throwers everything they’ve asked for. Stop asking Dems to clean up GOP sh!t. Again, any Rs who want to govern can reach out to Jeffries. Until then, we can all see who are the grownups and who are the children. Next election, vote accordingly.
This. In November 2024, no one will remember that the Democrats were the grownups in the room to end the vote. The average American does not care about this chaos. The concessions McCarthy is making is weakening the Speaker's role. The Democrats will benefit from this.
We all lose when whoever is speaker refuses to raise the debt ceiling creating global economic chaos that benefits the Russians and China.
THAT is what this is all about.
Which is why the Dems should coalesce with whatever sane repiublicans are left to get someone in there who will do the bare minumum not to destroy our country and the global economy.
Well it will benefit the Democrats if the voters finally throw out the anti govt bomb throwers. They will y realize that in fact.. they do need a functioning government.
if the anti government bomb throwers are successful, it will be too late
If McCarthy can't control them, the concessions that he's offering will make it easy for moderates to pull him down.
Concessions mean nothing. If he’s speaker he won and he wields the power. Period.
concessions would be part of a rules package, but if he doesn't have the votes, it won't pass. According to politico, he's offering chairmanships to freedom party members which isn't going over well with the members who were in line for the positions.
As they should be, I'd be livid if I was losing a chairmanship to one of these idiots who are being rewarded for their bad behavior.
They should not be rewarded.
Anonymous
01/05/2023 11:00
Subject: Speaker of the House Vote Thread
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Maybe it's already in the thread, but isn't there some sense in several Ds giving votes to McCarthy for concessions instead of him bowing to the RW?
JFC, for the last time, this is not Democrats problem to solve! News flash, KM IS RW! He’s giving the bomb throwers everything they’ve asked for. Stop asking Dems to clean up GOP sh!t. Again, any Rs who want to govern can reach out to Jeffries. Until then, we can all see who are the grownups and who are the children. Next election, vote accordingly.
This. In November 2024, no one will remember that the Democrats were the grownups in the room to end the vote. The average American does not care about this chaos. The concessions McCarthy is making is weakening the Speaker's role. The Democrats will benefit from this.
We all lose when whoever is speaker refuses to raise the debt ceiling creating global economic chaos that benefits the Russians and China.
THAT is what this is all about.
Which is why the Dems should coalesce with whatever sane repiublicans are left to get someone in there who will do the bare minumum not to destroy our country and the global economy.
Well it will benefit the Democrats if the voters finally throw out the anti govt bomb throwers. They will y realize that in fact.. they do need a functioning government.
if the anti government bomb throwers are successful, it will be too late
If McCarthy can't control them, the concessions that he's offering will make it easy for moderates to pull him down.
Concessions mean nothing. If he’s speaker he won and he wields the power. Period.
concessions would be part of a rules package, but if he doesn't have the votes, it won't pass. According to politico, he's offering chairmanships to freedom party members which isn't going over well with the members who were in line for the positions.
Anonymous
01/05/2023 10:57
Subject: Re:Speaker of the House Vote Thread
Groveling Kevin,
Nobody grovels like McCarthy.
Nobody, OK?
Nobody.
The guy’s a losuh.
He’s lost, what?, Six, seven times?
He’s lost so many times I’ve lost count.
Nobody’s evah seen anything like it.
I was nevah a supporter.
Unless he wins, then I was.
Just so you understand.
Nobody grovels like McCarthy.
Nobody, OK?
Nobody.
The guy’s a losuh.
He’s lost, what?, Six, seven times?
He’s lost so many times I’ve lost count.
Nobody’s evah seen anything like it.
I was nevah a supporter.
Unless he wins, then I was.
Just so you understand.
Anonymous
01/05/2023 10:57
Subject: Speaker of the House Vote Thread
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Maybe it's already in the thread, but isn't there some sense in several Ds giving votes to McCarthy for concessions instead of him bowing to the RW?
JFC, for the last time, this is not Democrats problem to solve! News flash, KM IS RW! He’s giving the bomb throwers everything they’ve asked for. Stop asking Dems to clean up GOP sh!t. Again, any Rs who want to govern can reach out to Jeffries. Until then, we can all see who are the grownups and who are the children. Next election, vote accordingly.
This. In November 2024, no one will remember that the Democrats were the grownups in the room to end the vote. The average American does not care about this chaos. The concessions McCarthy is making is weakening the Speaker's role. The Democrats will benefit from this.
We all lose when whoever is speaker refuses to raise the debt ceiling creating global economic chaos that benefits the Russians and China.
THAT is what this is all about.
Which is why the Dems should coalesce with whatever sane repiublicans are left to get someone in there who will do the bare minumum not to destroy our country and the global economy.
Well it will benefit the Democrats if the voters finally throw out the anti govt bomb throwers. They will y realize that in fact.. they do need a functioning government.
if the anti government bomb throwers are successful, it will be too late
If McCarthy can't control them, the concessions that he's offering will make it easy for moderates to pull him down.
Concessions mean nothing. If he’s speaker he won and he wields the power. Period.
Being Speaker alone gives no power. His ability to whip gives him power - and right now he has no ability to whip. No power.
Anonymous
01/05/2023 10:49
Subject: Speaker of the House Vote Thread
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Maybe it's already in the thread, but isn't there some sense in several Ds giving votes to McCarthy for concessions instead of him bowing to the RW?
JFC, for the last time, this is not Democrats problem to solve! News flash, KM IS RW! He’s giving the bomb throwers everything they’ve asked for. Stop asking Dems to clean up GOP sh!t. Again, any Rs who want to govern can reach out to Jeffries. Until then, we can all see who are the grownups and who are the children. Next election, vote accordingly.
This. In November 2024, no one will remember that the Democrats were the grownups in the room to end the vote. The average American does not care about this chaos. The concessions McCarthy is making is weakening the Speaker's role. The Democrats will benefit from this.
We all lose when whoever is speaker refuses to raise the debt ceiling creating global economic chaos that benefits the Russians and China.
THAT is what this is all about.
Which is why the Dems should coalesce with whatever sane repiublicans are left to get someone in there who will do the bare minumum not to destroy our country and the global economy.
Well it will benefit the Democrats if the voters finally throw out the anti govt bomb throwers. They will y realize that in fact.. they do need a functioning government.
if the anti government bomb throwers are successful, it will be too late
If McCarthy can't control them, the concessions that he's offering will make it easy for moderates to pull him down.
Concessions mean nothing. If he’s speaker he won and he wields the power. Period.
Anonymous
Anonymous
01/05/2023 10:48
Subject: Speaker of the House Vote Thread
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Maybe it's already in the thread, but isn't there some sense in several Ds giving votes to McCarthy for concessions instead of him bowing to the RW?
JFC, for the last time, this is not Democrats problem to solve! News flash, KM IS RW! He’s giving the bomb throwers everything they’ve asked for. Stop asking Dems to clean up GOP sh!t. Again, any Rs who want to govern can reach out to Jeffries. Until then, we can all see who are the grownups and who are the children. Next election, vote accordingly.
This. In November 2024, no one will remember that the Democrats were the grownups in the room to end the vote. The average American does not care about this chaos. The concessions McCarthy is making is weakening the Speaker's role. The Democrats will benefit from this.
We all lose when whoever is speaker refuses to raise the debt ceiling creating global economic chaos that benefits the Russians and China.
THAT is what this is all about.
Which is why the Dems should coalesce with whatever sane repiublicans are left to get someone in there who will do the bare minumum not to destroy our country and the global economy.
Well it will benefit the Democrats if the voters finally throw out the anti govt bomb throwers. They will y realize that in fact.. they do need a functioning government.
if the anti government bomb throwers are successful, it will be too late
If McCarthy can't control them, the concessions that he's offering will make it easy for moderates to pull him down.
Anonymous
01/05/2023 10:44
Subject: Speaker of the House Vote Thread
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Maybe it's already in the thread, but isn't there some sense in several Ds giving votes to McCarthy for concessions instead of him bowing to the RW?
JFC, for the last time, this is not Democrats problem to solve! News flash, KM IS RW! He’s giving the bomb throwers everything they’ve asked for. Stop asking Dems to clean up GOP sh!t. Again, any Rs who want to govern can reach out to Jeffries. Until then, we can all see who are the grownups and who are the children. Next election, vote accordingly.
This. In November 2024, no one will remember that the Democrats were the grownups in the room to end the vote. The average American does not care about this chaos. The concessions McCarthy is making is weakening the Speaker's role. The Democrats will benefit from this.
We all lose when whoever is speaker refuses to raise the debt ceiling creating global economic chaos that benefits the Russians and China.
THAT is what this is all about.
Which is why the Dems should coalesce with whatever sane repiublicans are left to get someone in there who will do the bare minumum not to destroy our country and the global economy.
Well it will benefit the Democrats if the voters finally throw out the anti govt bomb throwers. They will y realize that in fact.. they do need a functioning government.
if the anti government bomb throwers are successful, it will be too late