Anonymous
02/17/2022 18:08
Subject: Re:2022 Olympics
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Trusova cried and yelled “You knew! You all knew!” amid the meltdown, what exactly does she mean?
She meant you, the coach, KNEW that even if I land five quads, I wouldn't take gold, they wouldn't give it to me, not with what the other girls have shown. Eteri must have told her if you land this, you have a real shot at winning.
+1
In this case, I have to say I side with Eteri. She was absolutely correct: Trusova only had a shot at a medal, any color medal, if she nailed all her tech content. Without jumps, she is uninteresting. So if that's the mantra Eteri used to rev up Trusova's competitive mettle, she was absolutely correct. And honestly the girl ought to be grateful for her silver. It's a bit much to have her as a gold medalist in the presence of relatively well rounded Scherbakova.
Anonymous
02/17/2022 18:06
Subject: Re:2022 Olympics
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It must be hard having your coach also coaching your rivals. It can make you feel like they play favorites as to who is going to win. They all get a lot of input into their programs. I'm sure if they only had to worry about Trusova, they would make sure she could get some more presentation points.
Sounds similar to Belbin and Agosto vs. Davis and White in 2010 Olympics. Davis and White got to do a cool Bollywood inspired dance while Belbin and Agosto did a not as thrilling Moldavian? dance. D/W got silver and B/A placed 4th. You'd think someone on the B/A's coaching team could have pulled them aside and told them they need to upgrade their dance. But it's easy to get suspicious when B/A's coach is also D/W's coach.
Fun fact: I was volunteering at the 2003 world figure skating championships when they were held in Washington DC. One day I found myself in the same line through security with Tanith Belbin (up and comer at the time) and Tatiana Tarasova, a legendary Russian coach. She looked Tanith up and down and said to herself (well not just to herself since I was right next to her) - who is this, what a pretty girl! I told her she's an ice dancer. Tarasova nodded her head approvingly and she said, yes, in ice dance, pretty helps!
That is a fun story
Anonymous
02/17/2022 18:03
Subject: Re:2022 Olympics
Anonymous wrote:It must be hard having your coach also coaching your rivals. It can make you feel like they play favorites as to who is going to win. They all get a lot of input into their programs. I'm sure if they only had to worry about Trusova, they would make sure she could get some more presentation points.
Sounds similar to Belbin and Agosto vs. Davis and White in 2010 Olympics. Davis and White got to do a cool Bollywood inspired dance while Belbin and Agosto did a not as thrilling Moldavian? dance. D/W got silver and B/A placed 4th. You'd think someone on the B/A's coaching team could have pulled them aside and told them they need to upgrade their dance. But it's easy to get suspicious when B/A's coach is also D/W's coach.
Fun fact: I was volunteering at the 2003 world figure skating championships when they were held in Washington DC. One day I found myself in the same line through security with Tanith Belbin (up and comer at the time) and Tatiana Tarasova, a legendary Russian coach. She looked Tanith up and down and said to herself (well not just to herself since I was right next to her) - who is this, what a pretty girl! I told her she's an ice dancer. Tarasova nodded her head approvingly and she said, yes, in ice dance, pretty helps!
Anonymous
02/17/2022 18:01
Subject: Re:2022 Olympics
Anonymous wrote:It must be hard having your coach also coaching your rivals. It can make you feel like they play favorites as to who is going to win. They all get a lot of input into their programs. I'm sure if they only had to worry about Trusova, they would make sure she could get some more presentation points.
Sounds similar to Belbin and Agosto vs. Davis and White in 2010 Olympics. Davis and White got to do a cool Bollywood inspired dance while Belbin and Agosto did a not as thrilling Moldavian? dance. D/W got silver and B/A placed 4th. You'd think someone on the B/A's coaching team could have pulled them aside and told them they need to upgrade their dance. But it's easy to get suspicious when B/A's coach is also D/W's coach.
This has always been the Russian/Soviet system. You train in the same rink with your closest rival and you push each other and learn from each other. Look at the Soviet pairs domination: often times all three pairs on the podium came from the same school and the same coach.
More recently, I am not sure if this quote came from Mamun/Kudryavtseva or Zagitova/Medvedeva duo, but essentially, they said as long as these medals go to Russia, we don't care which one of us gets gold and silver.
Anonymous
02/17/2022 17:27
Subject: Re:2022 Olympics
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It must be hard having your coach also coaching your rivals. It can make you feel like they play favorites as to who is going to win. They all get a lot of input into their programs. I'm sure if they only had to worry about Trusova, they would make sure she could get some more presentation points.
Sounds similar to Belbin and Agosto vs. Davis and White in 2010 Olympics. Davis and White got to do a cool Bollywood inspired dance while Belbin and Agosto did a not as thrilling Moldavian? dance. D/W got silver and B/A placed 4th. You'd think someone on the B/A's coaching team could have pulled them aside and told them they need to upgrade their dance. But it's easy to get suspicious when B/A's coach is also D/W's coach.
I guess Tanith got over it enough to marry Charlie White.
Anonymous
02/17/2022 17:17
Subject: Re:2022 Olympics
Anonymous wrote:It must be hard having your coach also coaching your rivals. It can make you feel like they play favorites as to who is going to win. They all get a lot of input into their programs. I'm sure if they only had to worry about Trusova, they would make sure she could get some more presentation points.
Sounds similar to Belbin and Agosto vs. Davis and White in 2010 Olympics. Davis and White got to do a cool Bollywood inspired dance while Belbin and Agosto did a not as thrilling Moldavian? dance. D/W got silver and B/A placed 4th. You'd think someone on the B/A's coaching team could have pulled them aside and told them they need to upgrade their dance. But it's easy to get suspicious when B/A's coach is also D/W's coach.
I guess Tanith got over it enough to marry Charlie White.
Anonymous
02/17/2022 16:56
Subject: Re:2022 Olympics
It must be hard having your coach also coaching your rivals. It can make you feel like they play favorites as to who is going to win. They all get a lot of input into their programs. I'm sure if they only had to worry about Trusova, they would make sure she could get some more presentation points.
Sounds similar to Belbin and Agosto vs. Davis and White in 2010 Olympics. Davis and White got to do a cool Bollywood inspired dance while Belbin and Agosto did a not as thrilling Moldavian? dance. D/W got silver and B/A placed 4th. You'd think someone on the B/A's coaching team could have pulled them aside and told them they need to upgrade their dance. But it's easy to get suspicious when B/A's coach is also D/W's coach.
Sounds similar to Belbin and Agosto vs. Davis and White in 2010 Olympics. Davis and White got to do a cool Bollywood inspired dance while Belbin and Agosto did a not as thrilling Moldavian? dance. D/W got silver and B/A placed 4th. You'd think someone on the B/A's coaching team could have pulled them aside and told them they need to upgrade their dance. But it's easy to get suspicious when B/A's coach is also D/W's coach.
Anonymous
02/17/2022 16:41
Subject: Re:2022 Olympics
Anonymous wrote:Trusova cried and yelled “You knew! You all knew!” amid the meltdown, what exactly does she mean?
It appears mistranslated. She said "you knew it all/you knew everything", not "you all knew". You is plural because she addresses her coach (more respectful, formal version).
Anonymous
02/17/2022 16:36
Subject: Re:2022 Olympics
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Trusova cried and yelled “You knew! You all knew!” amid the meltdown, what exactly does she mean?
She meant you, the coach, KNEW that even if I land five quads, I wouldn't take gold, they wouldn't give it to me, not with what the other girls have shown. Eteri must have told her if you land this, you have a real shot at winning.
+1
Anonymous
02/17/2022 16:14
Subject: Re:2022 Olympics
Anonymous wrote:Trusova cried and yelled “You knew! You all knew!” amid the meltdown, what exactly does she mean?
She meant you, the coach, KNEW that even if I land five quads, I wouldn't take gold, they wouldn't give it to me, not with what the other girls have shown. Eteri must have told her if you land this, you have a real shot at winning.
Anonymous
02/17/2022 16:03
Subject: Re:2022 Olympics
Trusova cried and yelled “You knew! You all knew!” amid the meltdown, what exactly does she mean?
Anonymous
02/17/2022 15:44
Subject: 2022 Olympics
Anonymous wrote:The tantrum by the silver medalist went on for many minutes. I saw it live and heard Weir’s translation. I assumed she was mad about Vallieva not medaling but he said she was mad that she didn’t get first. He said she was refusing to go on the podium. She was out of control. My mind went to Kerrigan and Tonya Harding!
It was actually more resembling of the Sale/Pelletier reaction. Well, mostly Jamie Sale. She refused to believe that she could do her absolute best and STILL not win. Just like Sasha.
Someone needs to tell this girl that some skaters write history without gold medals. She's a fantastic jumper but not at all a complete skater. Still, five quads! She honestly thought that if I land these, I'll get enough points to lead, artistry, shmartistry.
Anonymous
02/17/2022 15:40
Subject: 2022 Olympics
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Are they going to rerun this in prime time tonight?
I assume they will edit the crap out of it. I'm so glad I saw it this morning!
I don't know why they would. It'd be ratings gold. Interest will be building all day and evening, and people will tune it to see it.
Initially I was wondering why this thread started in “Entertainment and pop culture” instead of sports, but now totally agree with it!
I will say that this year's finals are positively Shakespearian. Twisted plot, high passions, tears and tragedy.
A favored golden child is thrown down into the mud and broken while the cameras click away.
A teammate delivers a stoic perfect skate and gets a gold medal but no happiness.
A rival does all she can and writes history but gold remains out of reach.
An evil puppet master watches from afar.
You can write novels out of this. Christine Brennan probably would. I hate this woman with a passion.
Don’t forget that the evil puppet master survived the Oklahoma City bombing. Maybe she thinks she’s invincible?
We’ll see about that.
Don't forget the evil puppet master has a disabled daughter with an American last name; father unknown.
Anonymous
02/17/2022 15:34
Subject: 2022 Olympics
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Are they going to rerun this in prime time tonight?
I assume they will edit the crap out of it. I'm so glad I saw it this morning!
I don't know why they would. It'd be ratings gold. Interest will be building all day and evening, and people will tune it to see it.
Initially I was wondering why this thread started in “Entertainment and pop culture” instead of sports, but now totally agree with it!
I will say that this year's finals are positively Shakespearian. Twisted plot, high passions, tears and tragedy.
A favored golden child is thrown down into the mud and broken while the cameras click away.
A teammate delivers a stoic perfect skate and gets a gold medal but no happiness.
A rival does all she can and writes history but gold remains out of reach.
An evil puppet master watches from afar.
You can write novels out of this. Christine Brennan probably would. I hate this woman with a passion.
Don’t forget that the evil puppet master survived the Oklahoma City bombing. Maybe she thinks she’s invincible?
We’ll see about that.
Anonymous
02/17/2022 15:33
Subject: 2022 Olympics
The tantrum by the silver medalist went on for many minutes. I saw it live and heard Weir’s translation. I assumed she was mad about Vallieva not medaling but he said she was mad that she didn’t get first. He said she was refusing to go on the podium. She was out of control. My mind went to Kerrigan and Tonya Harding!