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Anonymous wrote:I am surprised people think that if Youngkin is elected Virginia will suddenly turn into Texas if Roe v Wade is overturned and outlaw abortion. The average Virginian is pretty moderate (socially liberal leaning and fiscally conservative leaning). They might be anti-abortion for their own choices but they’re not ones to tell others what to do or impose their personal beliefs on someone else and are pro-choice for others.

I do not see the majority of Virginians finding pro-life measures and outlawing abortion to be a priority and in fact most will find it too overreaching and indecent. They will not support this in the numbers you suggest, not at all.

I have lived in Virginia all my life all over the commonwealth. Virginians aren’t known to be extreme on either end. So this knee jerk reaction that Virginians are chomping at the bit and just waiting for Youngkin to get elected so abortion can be banned is offensive. First there would have to be a law on his desk to sign. I don’t think it will get to that point, not anytime soon.

So stop painting Virginians as extreme right pro life marching single issue voter crazy trains. We’re not.

Well said.

I think you are forgetting about the GOP/Trump supporters outside of NoVa.

Uh, Trump is not on the ballot in Virginia. Did you not know that?

Terry McAuliffe himself said the other day..this race is not about Trump. That is, after months of him making it about Trump.

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Anonymous wrote:I am surprised people think that if Youngkin is elected Virginia will suddenly turn into Texas if Roe v Wade is overturned and outlaw abortion. The average Virginian is pretty moderate (socially liberal leaning and fiscally conservative leaning). They might be anti-abortion for their own choices but they’re not ones to tell others what to do or impose their personal beliefs on someone else and are pro-choice for others.

I do not see the majority of Virginians finding pro-life measures and outlawing abortion to be a priority and in fact most will find it too overreaching and indecent. They will not support this in the numbers you suggest, not at all.

I have lived in Virginia all my life all over the commonwealth. Virginians aren’t known to be extreme on either end. So this knee jerk reaction that Virginians are chomping at the bit and just waiting for Youngkin to get elected so abortion can be banned is offensive. First there would have to be a law on his desk to sign. I don’t think it will get to that point, not anytime soon.

So stop painting Virginians as extreme right pro life marching single issue voter crazy trains. We’re not.

Well said.

I think you are forgetting about the GOP/Trump supporters outside of NoVa.

Uh, Trump is not on the ballot in Virginia. Did you not know that?

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Anonymous wrote:Very interesting poll release today from Tommy Schultz:
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Q: "How much influence do you think parents of K-12 students should have over what schools teach?"

A: "Most or some":
Asian: 70%
Black: 67%
Hispanic: 67%
White: 75%
Suburban Women: 69%

A: "Not really":
Asian: 21%
Black: 22%
Hispanic: 27%
White: 19%
Suburban Women: 20%

Gee, that’s totally not a leading-question, is it?

Garbage poll. Worthless.

Actually, this poll is explaining the state of Virginia right now. Education is the #1 issue for most of the electorate.

No, it’s the #1 issue for racists and fascists.

The rest of Virginia cares about REAL issues: climate change, equal rights for all genders, women’s health, immigrant rights, ending the culture of police violence, getting rid of guns, and righting all the wrongs of the past brought to us by white men like Youngkin.

I’d say education is very much a women’s issue. Closing schools unnecessarily cost many women their jobs and untold others their sanity.

The pandemic was detrimental to many, especially women.

That doesn’t mean you vote for the anti-woman candidate. WTAF?

DP. "Anti-woman candidate"? You're going to have to provide actual links for that absurd claim, doofus.

“The American Independent” is the left-wing group that posted the video. What a laugh, using “independent” in their name, hoping to fool people into thinking they’re actually independent. Here’s what Media Bias/FactCheck has to say:

LEFT BIAS

These media sources are moderately to strongly biased toward liberal causes through story selection and/or political affiliation. They may utilize strong loaded words (wording that attempts to influence an audience by using appeal to emotion or stereotypes), publish misleading reports and omit reporting of information that may damage liberal causes. Some sources in this category may be untrustworthy.

Are you denying that this is Youngkin?

People who believe that being against abortion means being against women are just ridiculous.
I am a woman who is very much opposed to abortion. I am not anti-woman. I am pro-child.

The misogyny in you is deeply internalized.

Conservatives aren’t pro-child. They don’t give a hoot what happens after they are born.

This is the correct response. Republicans repeatedly try to take away CHIP, school lunch, and so many programs to help children. Nearly all of them, honest to god. THey literally vote in Congress and state legislatures to do it. It’s undeniable. If you are pro-child, you would NEVER EVER make those choices. Joe Biden has lifted more children out of poverty than anyone else - these are facts: https://www.economist.com/united-states/america-is-substantially-reducing-poverty-among-children/21804765

But you don’t care bc you are not pro-child. You are totally full of sh!t.

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Anonymous wrote:I am surprised people think that if Youngkin is elected Virginia will suddenly turn into Texas if Roe v Wade is overturned and outlaw abortion. The average Virginian is pretty moderate (socially liberal leaning and fiscally conservative leaning). They might be anti-abortion for their own choices but they’re not ones to tell others what to do or impose their personal beliefs on someone else and are pro-choice for others.

I do not see the majority of Virginians finding pro-life measures and outlawing abortion to be a priority and in fact most will find it too overreaching and indecent. They will not support this in the numbers you suggest, not at all.

I have lived in Virginia all my life all over the commonwealth. Virginians aren’t known to be extreme on either end. So this knee jerk reaction that Virginians are chomping at the bit and just waiting for Youngkin to get elected so abortion can be banned is offensive. First there would have to be a law on his desk to sign. I don’t think it will get to that point, not anytime soon.

So stop painting Virginians as extreme right pro life marching single issue voter crazy trains. We’re not.

So I guess you missed the two times Virginia Republicans tried to intimidate women out of having abortions by introducing bills that would have required women to report all miscarriages to the police (one of the proposed bills would have even required to fish out the embryo/fetus from their miscarriage and weigh it for reporting purposes), and would have criminalized the failure to do so?

That was pretty extreme.

I’m only aware of one introduced bill (2009), and it was unanimously rejected. So, no, that does not paint Virginians as extreme.

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Anonymous wrote:I am surprised people think that if Youngkin is elected Virginia will suddenly turn into Texas if Roe v Wade is overturned and outlaw abortion. The average Virginian is pretty moderate (socially liberal leaning and fiscally conservative leaning). They might be anti-abortion for their own choices but they’re not ones to tell others what to do or impose their personal beliefs on someone else and are pro-choice for others.

I do not see the majority of Virginians finding pro-life measures and outlawing abortion to be a priority and in fact most will find it too overreaching and indecent. They will not support this in the numbers you suggest, not at all.

I have lived in Virginia all my life all over the commonwealth. Virginians aren’t known to be extreme on either end. So this knee jerk reaction that Virginians are chomping at the bit and just waiting for Youngkin to get elected so abortion can be banned is offensive. First there would have to be a law on his desk to sign. I don’t think it will get to that point, not anytime soon.

So stop painting Virginians as extreme right pro life marching single issue voter crazy trains. We’re not.

If Youngkin is elected and Republicans win even a razor thin majority in the legislature of course they will move to outlaw abortion. Absolutely. 100%. Also, these are the people who wanted to impose transvaginal wand pelvic exams among other misogynistic and loony things.

Be a responsible woman and make sure you and your partner use effective birth control. In the rare case when an abortion is needed, take an Uber to DC. Problem solved.

If you are using IVF or other artificial means of procreation, you will likely spontaneously abort any damaged fetus and have no need for an abortion.

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Anonymous wrote:I am surprised people think that if Youngkin is elected Virginia will suddenly turn into Texas if Roe v Wade is overturned and outlaw abortion. The average Virginian is pretty moderate (socially liberal leaning and fiscally conservative leaning). They might be anti-abortion for their own choices but they’re not ones to tell others what to do or impose their personal beliefs on someone else and are pro-choice for others.

I do not see the majority of Virginians finding pro-life measures and outlawing abortion to be a priority and in fact most will find it too overreaching and indecent. They will not support this in the numbers you suggest, not at all.

I have lived in Virginia all my life all over the commonwealth. Virginians aren’t known to be extreme on either end. So this knee jerk reaction that Virginians are chomping at the bit and just waiting for Youngkin to get elected so abortion can be banned is offensive. First there would have to be a law on his desk to sign. I don’t think it will get to that point, not anytime soon.

So stop painting Virginians as extreme right pro life marching single issue voter crazy trains. We’re not.

Well said.

I think you are forgetting about the GOP/Trump supporters outside of NoVa.

Anonymous wrote:I am surprised people think that if Youngkin is elected Virginia will suddenly turn into Texas if Roe v Wade is overturned and outlaw abortion. The average Virginian is pretty moderate (socially liberal leaning and fiscally conservative leaning). They might be anti-abortion for their own choices but they’re not ones to tell others what to do or impose their personal beliefs on someone else and are pro-choice for others.

I do not see the majority of Virginians finding pro-life measures and outlawing abortion to be a priority and in fact most will find it too overreaching and indecent. They will not support this in the numbers you suggest, not at all.

I have lived in Virginia all my life all over the commonwealth. Virginians aren’t known to be extreme on either end. So this knee jerk reaction that Virginians are chomping at the bit and just waiting for Youngkin to get elected so abortion can be banned is offensive. First there would have to be a law on his desk to sign. I don’t think it will get to that point, not anytime soon.

So stop painting Virginians as extreme right pro life marching single issue voter crazy trains. We’re not.

Well said.

Anonymous wrote:I am surprised people think that if Youngkin is elected Virginia will suddenly turn into Texas if Roe v Wade is overturned and outlaw abortion. The average Virginian is pretty moderate (socially liberal leaning and fiscally conservative leaning). They might be anti-abortion for their own choices but they’re not ones to tell others what to do or impose their personal beliefs on someone else and are pro-choice for others.

I do not see the majority of Virginians finding pro-life measures and outlawing abortion to be a priority and in fact most will find it too overreaching and indecent. They will not support this in the numbers you suggest, not at all.

I have lived in Virginia all my life all over the commonwealth. Virginians aren’t known to be extreme on either end. So this knee jerk reaction that Virginians are chomping at the bit and just waiting for Youngkin to get elected so abortion can be banned is offensive. First there would have to be a law on his desk to sign. I don’t think it will get to that point, not anytime soon.

So stop painting Virginians as extreme right pro life marching single issue voter crazy trains. We’re not.

So I guess you missed the two times Virginia Republicans tried to intimidate women out of having abortions by introducing bills that would have required women to report all miscarriages to the police (one of the proposed bills would have even required to fish out the embryo/fetus from their miscarriage and weigh it for reporting purposes), and would have criminalized the failure to do so?

That was pretty extreme.

I was fine with the GOP back when there was still a moderate wing to the party. In fact, I used to vote GOP including at the presidential level. However, the party has been taken over by extremists. The support for book banning, criminalizing abortion, and throwing out election results are all big problems for me and unfortunately Youngkin has done nothing to establish that he is any different than the rest of the party.

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Anonymous wrote:Can the Loudoun folks who are posting here give us your impressions? I know the county went for Biden in last year’s election. What are your predictions for Tuesday?

Hey I am an Arlington folk who voted for Biden and will vote for Youngkin. The pandemic revealed serious problems in Arlington schools. While it will be hard to make local changes, we hope Youngkin can make state wide changes that will dampen the crazies in the school board and the few who support them.

Two things

I have never seen so many signs for a Republican in Arlington, and I was born here 37 years ago

I have never seen so many positive comments on DCUM about a Republican

The tide may be returning to common sense.

Such as?

Having 7 hours of classroom instruction

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Anonymous wrote:Miyares and Sears both embody the immigrant story and American dream. Both are truly inspirational.

Yes, they do. So do Herring and Ayala. What a great election!

Sorry, Ayala was born and raised in Northern Virginia with all the privileges. She is only 1/4 black and 3/4 white.

Ayala is Black, Hispanic and Lebanese.

Aren't the first words out of her mouth in her campaign ad describing herself as an "Afro-Latina"? She seems to be a complete lightweight running entirely on identity politics. What has she ever accomplished?

She's the child of an immigrant (like Miyares and Sears, so I assume you will find it similarly inspiring for Ayala). Her father was killed when she was two years old, and hen she was raised in poverty by a single mother. She got her first job at 15 to help support her family. She finished high school but had to drop out of college after her first year to continue to support her family.

When her son was born, Ayala was a single mother working in a gas station who then worked incredibly hard to get a better job and pull herself out of poverty. As she got better job opportunities, she was able to go back to school for additional certifications to continue to advance. Her son was diagnosed with autism at an early age, and she became an engaged advocate for children with special needs after her son's Prince William County elementary school refused to provide special education services. That advocacy work is what led her to get involved in politics more broadly, because she understood very personally what it's like to be working two jobs to make ends meet for your family while also making sure your children's needs are being met. Oh, and in the middle of it she adopted a second child, a teenager, out of foster care.

Ayala's held a number of leadership positions in the four years she's been serving in the House of Delegates because she established herself early as someone who could work cooperatively with others, including reaching across the aisle to find compromises.

This election will determine if Virginia continues to move forward or if we turn back the clock on the gains we have made on getting COVID under control. I support Democrats because they will pass paid family leave so that we can be there when a loved one needs us most. Doesn't paid time to care sound like something the "pro-life" party would vote for?

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People who believe that being against abortion means being against women are just ridiculous.
I am a woman who is very much opposed to abortion. I am not anti-woman. I am pro-child.

The misogyny in you is deeply internalized.

She wrote nothing misogynistic. She merely disagrees with you. Stop being dishonest.

She said she doesn’t think abortion is about the woman’s body at all. How much more misogynistic could she be?

Sorry, women, your bodies just don’t matter.

LOL.
This is actually pretty funny coming from the party who refers to pregnant women as "birthing people."

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Anonymous wrote:I am surprised people think that if Youngkin is elected Virginia will suddenly turn into Texas if Roe v Wade is overturned and outlaw abortion. The average Virginian is pretty moderate (socially liberal leaning and fiscally conservative leaning). They might be anti-abortion for their own choices but they’re not ones to tell others what to do or impose their personal beliefs on someone else and are pro-choice for others.

I do not see the majority of Virginians finding pro-life measures and outlawing abortion to be a priority and in fact most will find it too overreaching and indecent. They will not support this in the numbers you suggest, not at all.

I have lived in Virginia all my life all over the commonwealth. Virginians aren’t known to be extreme on either end. So this knee jerk reaction that Virginians are chomping at the bit and just waiting for Youngkin to get elected so abortion can be banned is offensive. First there would have to be a law on his desk to sign. I don’t think it will get to that point, not anytime soon.

So stop painting Virginians as extreme right pro life marching single issue voter crazy trains. We’re not.

Youngkin's supporters are extreme. The book banning, 'stolen election' ranting, support of the insurrection, etc. are all perfect examples of this.

We know that Youngkin wants to criminalize abortion because of his own public statements on the issue.

Nope. Many are moderates and some of us are long-time former Democrats. At some point the incompetence and hypocrisy of Democrats currently running state and local government take their toll. Democrats had better candidates but endorsed/nominated either the most extreme (local boards of supervisors and school boards) or those with the fewest principles and deepest pockets (McAuliffe).

If these officials/candidates hadn't turned out to be such disappointments, some of us might vote for McAuliffe again. But right now we need a change in leadership and the Democrats need to reckon with their/our own self-inflicted wounds.

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Anonymous wrote:I was very tempted to vote Youngkin because I haven't been happy about how covid has been handled with the schools, but the book banning and hostility towards teaching accurate US history led me to reluctantly vote for McAuliffe. The recent story in the NYT about republicans demanding a book with an interracial couple get pulled from the library was the last straw.

I mean, remember when conservatives tried to cancel Dr. Seuss?

LOL!!!

Right. Pornography is totally fine. Now, Dr Seuss . . . beyond the pale. I just can’t anymore with the hypocrisy.

Yeah, no one cancelled Dr. Suess. You all live in fantasy land.