Anonymous wrote:


And that makes FSD important for many, many people.

Not just for elderly people, but for everyone who could be tired, confused in new situation with directions, have bad eye sight in some lighting conditions, or has distractions in the car wrangling kids, pets, etc. A minor distraction with FSD will keep you on the road, but without can result in an accident. During long drives if a person at the wheel nods off for a couple of seconds FSD will keep the car safe on the road while beeping to warn the driver. It makes a big difference. It's like extra layer of attention and an extra driver that can take over.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:


Here's the thing. If you drive a lot in your area, you know where the complex situations are. I know, for example, that road construction is going on just outside my neighborhood. Although I am pretty sure FSD can handle it, I don't put on the FSD there. I have not lost situational awareness . . . in fact my situational awareness is better! Do I like FSD . . . yes. Why? Because it handles almost all situations faster and better than I do. I am 67 years old and my reflexes are not nearly as good as the car. It can change lanes more safely because it "sees" everything. I have to check mirrors, turn my head and that takes time. The car does this much more quickly. Do I want it to be level 5? Of course. But it is very, very good and I have come to know situations where I need to be watching more carefully. It has taken a whole lot of stress out of driving for me right now. I use it every single time I drive now because it has gotten that good. It's great for expressway driving as it maintains speed, changes lanes, tells you when exits are coming and executes them, merges very well. That's really worth it driving on the beltway. It has never made a mistake there.


I will agree with you that most 70 year olds shouldn’t be driving. FSD could be better than that cohort.

Sure I think on highways FSD is a good choice it’s essentially cruise control. Way simpler problem space.

And that makes FSD important for many, many people.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:


And that makes FSD important for many, many people.


Yes, when we get Level 5 it will be a game changer.

FSD is Level 2

Maybe YOU need level 5, but lots of people enjoy level 2. Driving is a very personal experience. Level 2 has already made an impact.

Anonymous wrote:


FSD (Supervised) was approved in China about 6 months ago. This week it was approved in Australia and China. This video was made in China 6 months ago.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlz4s36J0CA



Oh good, that means China has all the source code and can build their own FSD that will be more trustworthy and safe than Tesla's.

Anonymous wrote:

FSD (Supervised) was approved in China about 6 months ago. This week it was approved in Australia and China. This video was made in China 6 months ago.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlz4s36J0CA

Anonymous wrote:


And that makes FSD important for many, many people.


Yes, when we get Level 5 it will be a game changer.

FSD is Level 2

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:


Here's the thing. If you drive a lot in your area, you know where the complex situations are. I know, for example, that road construction is going on just outside my neighborhood. Although I am pretty sure FSD can handle it, I don't put on the FSD there. I have not lost situational awareness . . . in fact my situational awareness is better! Do I like FSD . . . yes. Why? Because it handles almost all situations faster and better than I do. I am 67 years old and my reflexes are not nearly as good as the car. It can change lanes more safely because it "sees" everything. I have to check mirrors, turn my head and that takes time. The car does this much more quickly. Do I want it to be level 5? Of course. But it is very, very good and I have come to know situations where I need to be watching more carefully. It has taken a whole lot of stress out of driving for me right now. I use it every single time I drive now because it has gotten that good. It's great for expressway driving as it maintains speed, changes lanes, tells you when exits are coming and executes them, merges very well. That's really worth it driving on the beltway. It has never made a mistake there.


I will agree with you that most 70 year olds shouldn’t be driving. FSD could be better than that cohort.

Sure I think on highways FSD is a good choice it’s essentially cruise control. Way simpler problem space.

And that makes FSD important for many, many people.

Anonymous wrote:


Here's the thing. If you drive a lot in your area, you know where the complex situations are. I know, for example, that road construction is going on just outside my neighborhood. Although I am pretty sure FSD can handle it, I don't put on the FSD there. I have not lost situational awareness . . . in fact my situational awareness is better! Do I like FSD . . . yes. Why? Because it handles almost all situations faster and better than I do. I am 67 years old and my reflexes are not nearly as good as the car. It can change lanes more safely because it "sees" everything. I have to check mirrors, turn my head and that takes time. The car does this much more quickly. Do I want it to be level 5? Of course. But it is very, very good and I have come to know situations where I need to be watching more carefully. It has taken a whole lot of stress out of driving for me right now. I use it every single time I drive now because it has gotten that good. It's great for expressway driving as it maintains speed, changes lanes, tells you when exits are coming and executes them, merges very well. That's really worth it driving on the beltway. It has never made a mistake there.


I will agree with you that most 70 year olds shouldn’t be driving. FSD could be better than that cohort.

Sure I think on highways FSD is a good choice it’s essentially cruise control. Way simpler problem space.

Anonymous wrote:


Here's the thing. If you drive a lot in your area, you know where the complex situations are. I know, for example, that road construction is going on just outside my neighborhood. Although I am pretty sure FSD can handle it, I don't put on the FSD there. I have not lost situational awareness . . . in fact my situational awareness is better! Do I like FSD . . . yes. Why? Because it handles almost all situations faster and better than I do. I am 67 years old and my reflexes are not nearly as good as the car. It can change lanes more safely because it "sees" everything. I have to check mirrors, turn my head and that takes time. The car does this much more quickly. Do I want it to be level 5? Of course. But it is very, very good and I have come to know situations where I need to be watching more carefully. It has taken a whole lot of stress out of driving for me right now. I use it every single time I drive now because it has gotten that good. It's great for expressway driving as it maintains speed, changes lanes, tells you when exits are coming and executes them, merges very well. That's really worth it driving on the beltway. It has never made a mistake there.


I will agree with you that most 70 year olds shouldn’t be driving. FSD could be better than that cohort.

Sure I think on highways FSD is a good choice it’s essentially cruise control. Way simpler problem space.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

There are no ICE cars that are fully self driving and probably won't be. That might be the more significant factor driving EV purchases in the future.

Once you have self driving, there is no going back. It's a true gift. I never thought I would be paying for it, but here I am paying for it and really enjoying the stress that has been taken off me. I use it every single time I go out in the car now whether it's a trip to the store or a 5-6 hour trip. It's life changing.


Level 5 or die. Requiring the driver to jump in to intervene in complex high risk situations is the worst outcome, as you will lose situational awareness and over a long enough time, your driving skill with atrophy so you will be unable to react appropriately.

FSD is still Level 2. Talk to me in two decades.

Here's the thing. If you drive a lot in your area, you know where the complex situations are. I know, for example, that road construction is going on just outside my neighborhood. Although I am pretty sure FSD can handle it, I don't put on the FSD there. I have not lost situational awareness . . . in fact my situational awareness is better! Do I like FSD . . . yes. Why? Because it handles almost all situations faster and better than I do. I am 67 years old and my reflexes are not nearly as good as the car. It can change lanes more safely because it "sees" everything. I have to check mirrors, turn my head and that takes time. The car does this much more quickly. Do I want it to be level 5? Of course. But it is very, very good and I have come to know situations where I need to be watching more carefully. It has taken a whole lot of stress out of driving for me right now. I use it every single time I drive now because it has gotten that good. It's great for expressway driving as it maintains speed, changes lanes, tells you when exits are coming and executes them, merges very well. That's really worth it driving on the beltway. It has never made a mistake there.

Anonymous wrote:

There are no ICE cars that are fully self driving and probably won't be. That might be the more significant factor driving EV purchases in the future.

Once you have self driving, there is no going back. It's a true gift. I never thought I would be paying for it, but here I am paying for it and really enjoying the stress that has been taken off me. I use it every single time I go out in the car now whether it's a trip to the store or a 5-6 hour trip. It's life changing.


Level 5 or die. Requiring the driver to jump in to intervene in complex high risk situations is the worst outcome, as you will lose situational awareness and over a long enough time, your driving skill with atrophy so you will be unable to react appropriately.

FSD is still Level 2. Talk to me in two decades.