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Anonymous wrote:I think the call to Georgia officials is still the most damning evidence of POTUS criminal liability for the seditious conspiracy. I’m sure there’s more of that kind of evidence that we haven’t seen yet. The rabble rousing on the hill was just the tip of the iceberg so to speak.

Correct, because it's easier to prove his intent was to force election fraud. Trump's involvement in Jan 6 will be harder to prove in terms of intent. I don't think we'll find a smoking gun among the docs given to the Committee - plenty of circumstantial evidence, of course, but nothing that rises to the level of "find me X number of votes that I am short of".

Yea, I don't know how damning that GA event is to Trump directly, but my goodness, that was an outright attempt at over turning of election results by Rs in GA. They are like the anti-vaxxer/covid deniers who buy fake vaxx cards on amazon and fill it out. But, #lawandorder and #backtheblue. Right, Rs?

Anonymous wrote:I think the call to Georgia officials is still the most damning evidence of POTUS criminal liability for the seditious conspiracy. I’m sure there’s more of that kind of evidence that we haven’t seen yet. The rabble rousing on the hill was just the tip of the iceberg so to speak.

Correct, because it's easier to prove his intent was to force election fraud. Trump's involvement in Jan 6 will be harder to prove in terms of intent. I don't think we'll find a smoking gun among the docs given to the Committee - plenty of circumstantial evidence, of course, but nothing that rises to the level of "find me X number of votes that I am short of".

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People still defend the GOP’s attack on voting rights like it’s from some pure place. It’s offensive. The GOP clearly despises democracy.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think the call to Georgia officials is still the most damning evidence of POTUS criminal liability for the seditious conspiracy. I’m sure there’s more of that kind of evidence that we haven’t seen yet. The rabble rousing on the hill was just the tip of the iceberg so to speak.

Nah. The phone call from Trump to Pence is even clearer and proves that he was trying to halt the certification and overthrow the government on 1/6.

Kellogg also corroborated an account of the phone call where Trump claimed that if Pence did not do what he was asking, he had selected the wrong running mate.

"Mike, it's not right. You can do this. I'm counting on you to do it. If you don't do it, I picked the wrong man four years ago. You're going to wimp out," the transcript of the interview read that Kellogg confirmed.“ (It’s in that tweet above but I copied and pasted the quote from here: https://www.wktv.com/news/national/january-6-committee-asks-ivanka-trump-to-talk-with-them/article_770266b8-592a-5c08-a275-fd8c0517b67e.html)

I mean that was bad, but using the threat of a federal criminal investigation to shake down election officials is worse. Still can’t believe we couldn’t get enough senators to convict the SOB.

Decent people who love America will never vote for a Republican ever again.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think the call to Georgia officials is still the most damning evidence of POTUS criminal liability for the seditious conspiracy. I’m sure there’s more of that kind of evidence that we haven’t seen yet. The rabble rousing on the hill was just the tip of the iceberg so to speak.

Nah. The phone call from Trump to Pence is even clearer and proves that he was trying to halt the certification and overthrow the government on 1/6.

Kellogg also corroborated an account of the phone call where Trump claimed that if Pence did not do what he was asking, he had selected the wrong running mate.

"Mike, it's not right. You can do this. I'm counting on you to do it. If you don't do it, I picked the wrong man four years ago. You're going to wimp out," the transcript of the interview read that Kellogg confirmed.“ (It’s in that tweet above but I copied and pasted the quote from here: https://www.wktv.com/news/national/january-6-committee-asks-ivanka-trump-to-talk-with-them/article_770266b8-592a-5c08-a275-fd8c0517b67e.html)

I mean that was bad, but using the threat of a federal criminal investigation to shake down election officials is worse. Still can’t believe we couldn’t get enough senators to convict the SOB.

Anonymous wrote:I think the call to Georgia officials is still the most damning evidence of POTUS criminal liability for the seditious conspiracy. I’m sure there’s more of that kind of evidence that we haven’t seen yet. The rabble rousing on the hill was just the tip of the iceberg so to speak.

Nah. The phone call from Trump to Pence is even clearer and proves that he was trying to halt the certification and overthrow the government on 1/6.

Kellogg also corroborated an account of the phone call where Trump claimed that if Pence did not do what he was asking, he had selected the wrong running mate.

"Mike, it's not right. You can do this. I'm counting on you to do it. If you don't do it, I picked the wrong man four years ago. You're going to wimp out," the transcript of the interview read that Kellogg confirmed.“ (It’s in that tweet above but I copied and pasted the quote from here: https://www.wktv.com/news/national/january-6-committee-asks-ivanka-trump-to-talk-with-them/article_770266b8-592a-5c08-a275-fd8c0517b67e.html)

BlueFredneck wrote:Any Republican questioning the severity of this needs to wonder how they'd be feeling if it were hundreds of Antifa/BLM extremists storming the Capital Steps, with a mix of tourists, clowns, and well-armed people (and you cannot deny any longer there were some 100-200 people with some sort of longer-term plan who had some sort of training and C&C structure, as opposed to tourists just getting a bit overly exuberant.)

Any Democrat crowing about 1/6 needs to ask themselves how the George Floyd riots helped things - or how the 1967/8 riots helped liberal causes in the long run. Parts of DC stayed pretty much in statis for 40 years.

I view the J6 riots as more damaging long-term to America's strength as a federal republic of any sort. These wounds are harder to heal than the wounds of smashed storefront windows. For this reason alone I cannot ever vote Republican - but I was largely a lost cause to them.

But not everyone thinks of this in the same manner.

I presume the “Blue” in your name denotes some sympathy toward the Democratic Party; I wonder why you use the GOP talking points about the George Floyd protests, all of which were peaceful - until right wingers kicked off violence, until police officers kicked off violence or until organized gangs showed up to take advantage of the chaos.

In fact, the common thread of chaos and violence between the two events is the right wing. They - the GOP like Roger Stone, Erik Prince, all those figures shadowy and known - planned for this to happen, that people might complain about Black people again, and that people would be able to “whatabout” for years after. No Democrat is “crowing” about 1/6. It was coup attempt. Republicans could ask themselves why they couldn’t even bring themselves to support reforms in the police department after an unarmed man was murdered in broad daylight. Republicans should ask themselves the extent to which their insistence that everything’s peachy is creating negativity and toxicity in our country and furthering divisions.

Because again, the through line is that it is Republicans refusing to address systemic issues (on multiple fronts) is what is driving strife and misery in this country.

BlueFredneck wrote:Any Republican questioning the severity of this needs to wonder how they'd be feeling if it were hundreds of Antifa/BLM extremists storming the Capital Steps, with a mix of tourists, clowns, and well-armed people (and you cannot deny any longer there were some 100-200 people with some sort of longer-term plan who had some sort of training and C&C structure, as opposed to tourists just getting a bit overly exuberant.)

Any Democrat crowing about 1/6 needs to ask themselves how the George Floyd riots helped things - or how the 1967/8 riots helped liberal causes in the long run. Parts of DC stayed pretty much in statis for 40 years.

I view the J6 riots as more damaging long-term to America's strength as a federal republic of any sort. These wounds are harder to heal than the wounds of smashed storefront windows. For this reason alone I cannot ever vote Republican - but I was largely a lost cause to them.

But not everyone thinks of this in the same manner.

There were peaceful George Floyd protests. The people being arrested and sentenced for rioting, arson and murdering cops are all right wingers who took advantage - almost iike maybe they were Erik Prince plants. Add to it the investigation of the Portland police - seems like a lot of how those events were handled are now at issue. Seems like the whole of the country has been gaslighted by the right for years.

Anonymous wrote:Kinda punches holes in the GOP’s theory that Donald just had a peaceful rally.

and "it was Antifa" or "it was tourists"

I think the call to Georgia officials is still the most damning evidence of POTUS criminal liability for the seditious conspiracy. I’m sure there’s more of that kind of evidence that we haven’t seen yet. The rabble rousing on the hill was just the tip of the iceberg so to speak.

Any Republican questioning the severity of this needs to wonder how they'd be feeling if it were hundreds of Antifa/BLM extremists storming the Capital Steps, with a mix of tourists, clowns, and well-armed people (and you cannot deny any longer there were some 100-200 people with some sort of longer-term plan who had some sort of training and C&C structure, as opposed to tourists just getting a bit overly exuberant.)

Any Democrat crowing about 1/6 needs to ask themselves how the George Floyd riots helped things - or how the 1967/8 riots helped liberal causes in the long run. Parts of DC stayed pretty much in statis for 40 years.

I view the J6 riots as more damaging long-term to America's strength as a federal republic of any sort. These wounds are harder to heal than the wounds of smashed storefront windows. For this reason alone I cannot ever vote Republican - but I was largely a lost cause to them.

But not everyone thinks of this in the same manner.

All of these Trumplicans, and Trump himself, must, absolutely must, have to go to federal prisons if these allegations are true. Just because one served in Congress or is famous should never be an excuse for paying for crimes against our democracy.

Kinda punches holes in the GOP’s theory that Donald just had a peaceful rally.

Becoming pretty clear why all the Republicans were whipped to vote against this investigation.