Anonymous
Post 06/20/2017 09:28     Subject: Re:UVA Student Released from North Korea; Has Been in a Coma for a Year?
Barack Obama was able to secure the release of Alan Gross who was in a Cuban prison from 2011 to 2014. So don't say Obama didn't get Otto back because he was white.

Anonymous
Post 06/20/2017 09:06     Subject: UVA Student Released from North Korea; Has Been in a Coma for a Year?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The other 3 Americans detained in North Korea are not in comas. Also, they are of Korean descent so are probably viewed differently by Kim Jung Un and Donald Trump.

Got it. Trump can only get Americans released if they are in comas and near death.

Obama can only get Americans released if he secretly delivers a ton of money in unmarked planes in the middle of the night.

Dont yet know what Trump gave away.
Anonymous
Post 06/20/2017 09:05     Subject: UVA Student Released from North Korea; Has Been in a Coma for a Year?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The other 3 Americans detained in North Korea are not in comas. Also, they are of Korean descent so are probably viewed differently by Kim Jung Un and Donald Trump.

Got it. Trump can only get Americans released if they are in comas and near death.

Obama can only get Americans released if he secretly delivers a ton of money in unmarked planes in the middle of the night.

At least they are not in comas when returned
Anonymous
Post 06/20/2017 09:00     Subject: UVA Student Released from North Korea; Has Been in a Coma for a Year?
Anonymous wrote:Had he tried to commit suicide the North Koreans would have told the world, used it as propaganda, called him a cowardly American, etc. and agreed for his release much sooner.

NK did this to him.


People get sick and die in American prisons all the time. Health care is crap there, and lots of illnesses go untreated until too late. If he was in a coma for a year, he was probably long past saving but they didn't want to let him die because of the political ramifications.
Anonymous
Post 06/20/2017 08:56     Subject: UVA Student Released from North Korea; Has Been in a Coma for a Year?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The other 3 Americans detained in North Korea are not in comas. Also, they are of Korean descent so are probably viewed differently by Kim Jung Un and Donald Trump.

Got it. Trump can only get Americans released if they are in comas and near death.

Obama can only get Americans released if he secretly delivers a ton of money in unmarked planes in the middle of the night.


Is that how Obama got Andrew Tahmooressi out of a Mexican prison?
Anonymous
Post 06/20/2017 08:54     Subject: Re:UVA Student Released from North Korea; Has Been in a Coma for a Year?
"Pneumonia, a blood clot, kidney failure or sepsis could have killed Otto Warmbier, but he almost certainly never had a chance of recovering, neurologists said Monday."

"Warmbier's quick death suggested he was not in good health, Naidech and Shutter agreed. Doctors also agreed it was unlikely his family decided to withhold food and water — a perfectly valid decision for someone with such a poor prognosis, but they said it takes patients more than just a few days to die from dehydration."

Posting this to hopefully put to rest some of the speculation here.

This is from AOL news so I can't post the link but you can google it.
Anonymous
Post 06/20/2017 08:46     Subject: UVA Student Released from North Korea; Has Been in a Coma for a Year?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The other 3 Americans detained in North Korea are not in comas. Also, they are of Korean descent so are probably viewed differently by Kim Jung Un and Donald Trump.

Got it. Trump can only get Americans released if they are in comas and near death.

Obama can only get Americans released if he secretly delivers a ton of money in unmarked planes in the middle of the night.
Anonymous
Post 06/20/2017 08:41     Subject: UVA Student Released from North Korea; Has Been in a Coma for a Year?
Anonymous wrote:The other 3 Americans detained in North Korea are not in comas. Also, they are of Korean descent so are probably viewed differently by Kim Jung Un and Donald Trump.

Got it. Trump can only get Americans released if they are in comas and near death.
Anonymous
Post 06/20/2017 08:34     Subject: Re:UVA Student Released from North Korea; Has Been in a Coma for a Year?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Pathetic that the Washington Post is now asking us to be sympathetic to the North Koreans suffering under their own fucking dictatorship. Maybe they ought to have enough courage, brains and balls to depose their dictator rather than glorifying him.

If their lives are so miserable, let's help them out and bomb them into oblivion. They deserve it, the miserable pieces of shit.

Good god. Pick up a book. Read about their lives. Read about what happens to dissenters. To dissenters family. Then shut up.


Also, they are brainwashed from the time they are toddlers. They truely believe the shit that's fed to them. I agree with PP that you should read some books written by people who lived there. It's a distopian fucked-up society and the citizens don't even realize it.


All the more reason their elimination from the planet would be a net gain, as they are beyond help or salvaging. The world would be much better without them.


You're advocating mass murder.


I think he's trolling. Just ignore him.


+1

Trying to spin everyone up either for fun or more dubious reasons.



Agreed. The people of North Korea are victims. They are Otto Warmbier.
Anonymous
Post 06/20/2017 08:27     Subject: UVA Student Released from North Korea; Has Been in a Coma for a Year?
Anonymous wrote:

Quite the response....sounds defensive....


The other Americans in North Korean captivity are Kim Dong-chul, Tony Kim (also known as Kim Sang-duk), and Kim Hak-song. Do you think that Trump would have responded differently if they had been white college students?
Anonymous
Post 06/20/2017 08:25     Subject: UVA Student Released from North Korea; Has Been in a Coma for a Year?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Parents wanted to put a yellow ribbon around their tree in their yard. Were told no by the Obama administration

That would go along with Obama's ridiculous mindset - don't do anything that bullies will interpret as criticism. Any 1st grader knows that bullies see that as weakness, and go after their victims even more.


Tough but serious question here: do you think Obama would have responded differently if it had been a black college student? I'm not trying to start anything here, just curious what others think. And if you think his response would have been the same regardless, I can respect that. Just curious if others think there might have been implicit bias against Otto. Just look at some of the responses here for examples.


Yes.
Anonymous
Post 06/20/2017 08:23     Subject: UVA Student Released from North Korea; Has Been in a Coma for a Year?
Had he tried to commit suicide the North Koreans would have told the world, used it as propaganda, called him a cowardly American, etc. and agreed for his release much sooner.

NK did this to him.
Anonymous
Post 06/20/2017 08:22     Subject: Re:UVA Student Released from North Korea; Has Been in a Coma for a Year?
Anonymous wrote:I bet he did attempt to hang himself. Any external signs (ligature marks) would have long healed since it happened in April 2016. And it's definitely possible that he wouldn't have sustained damage to his spine that would still be apparent on x-ray.
By all accounts he was REALLY goal-oriented and unusually career and future-oriented. His friends said he was known for being that way.
Suddenly he lost all of that. There was no graduating from college, let alone getting a job in finance or the CIA or whatever. It makes complete sense that he would respond by trying to kill himself. After all he was still a young guy. Frontal lobe not fully formed. Still in that impulsive stage of youth. He lost everything. Not surprising at all he would attempt to kill himself.

Then he was stable (although unresponsive) for a year and then for some reason NK decided "hey this guy isn't getting better, in fact he's looking worse. We need to ship him back".
And so he arrived on US soil and either the trip was traumatic and he developed pneumonia (very likely given he's not clearly his own secretions, etc and people in a vegetative state actually need a lot of day-to-day care to remain healthy and certainly he was getting none or less of this on a airplane)
OR somehow subconsciously his body knew he was "home" and allowed him to pass on (also not unreasonable as sick and even unconscious people hang on all the time until they say goodbye to the right family member or whatever).



No. And your speculation regarding his thought process is shameful and is made worse by the fact you aren't paying attention to what is being reported because you've got wrong facts.

Anonymous
Post 06/20/2017 08:03     Subject: UVA Student Released from North Korea; Has Been in a Coma for a Year?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Parents wanted to put a yellow ribbon around their tree in their yard. Were told no by the Obama administration

That would go along with Obama's ridiculous mindset - don't do anything that bullies will interpret as criticism. Any 1st grader knows that bullies see that as weakness, and go after their victims even more.


Tough but serious question here: do you think Obama would have responded differently if it had been a black college student? I'm not trying to start anything here, just curious what others think. And if you think his response would have been the same regardless, I can respect that. Just curious if others think there might have been implicit bias against Otto. Just look at some of the responses here for examples.



THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH RACE!

Everytime you post sh1t like this you sound like a bitter racist who HATED that Obama, a black man, was in the White House. So just SFTU.



Quite the response....sounds defensive....
Anonymous
Post 06/20/2017 08:02     Subject: UVA Student Released from North Korea; Has Been in a Coma for a Year?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Parents wanted to put a yellow ribbon around their tree in their yard. Were told no by the Obama administration

That would go along with Obama's ridiculous mindset - don't do anything that bullies will interpret as criticism. Any 1st grader knows that bullies see that as weakness, and go after their victims even more.


Tough but serious question here: do you think Obama would have responded differently if it had been a black college student? I'm not trying to start anything here, just curious what others think. And if you think his response would have been the same regardless, I can respect that. Just curious if others think there might have been implicit bias against Otto. Just look at some of the responses here for examples.


I do think that he would have moved heaven and earth. It wasn't just about rescuing Bergdahl - it definitely had to do with Bergdahl's father putting on Muslim garb and speaking Arabic on the WH lawn. Had he just been a white soldier, I firmly believe he would not have gone through that "exchange". It was all about a dog and pony show for Obama.