Anonymous wrote:Curious how the investigation is proceeding...? Anything new?

They will present to the grand jury any week now. Just waiting for the drivers head injury to clear up.

Curious how the investigation is proceeding...? Anything new?

I am a parent of two teenagers. I monitor them, they do well in school and sports. I have never seen or heard them talk about drinking or drugs. But they do go out with friends and sometimes plans change but they are always home by curfew. I make mistakes but think I am an active, good parent. Could this situation happen to me and my kids, I fear yes. So I feel compassion for all involved and no blame. One prior drinking violation as a senior, punishment would be over by accident. I do not feel superior just luckier....

Anonymous wrote:I would think the parents of the kids that died would want answers and should be willing to shed some information.

You mean the parents of the kids who got in a car with a driver they knew was drinking? That's all the info I'd need. Then I'd blame myself for not saying for millionth +1 time: NO DRINKING AND DRIVING!!! (Which 100% includes DO NOT GET INTO A CAR WITH A DRIVER WHO HAS BEEN DRINKING). Sad all around but the passengers should not have gotten in the car.

I would think the parents of the kids that died would want answers and should be willing to shed some information.

The investigation is still ongoing. Please call police investigators with any information you may have. You can stay anonymous if you want to. They need all the help they can get. This may be the only way to stop more of our kids from dying like this. Please help.
240-773-6620

Any updates on how the driver and surviving passenger are doing?

Anonymous wrote:Thank you, 18:28, for posting the actual law.

It's now 9pm on a Saturday night.

Do you know where your teen is?
Whom they're with?
What they're drinking?
Who's driving?

You can just say no, and save their life.

No. He was with friends in the neighborhood. Fishing then to a friends, then they were playing basketball or something. They generally just sit around taking, on some bodies deck, or porch. I don't follow him everywhere, he is 17.

Well, he said he was with joe and Lou, but then I saw Andy with him, then Joyce showed up with Anna, I think Claire was there too, I'm not sure. It is fluid, he can't predict every second of his life.

I hope they are not drinking, but it am not following him. I can only hope.

Luckily nobody is driving tonight, it's the burbs, everybody lives walking distance.

Thank you, 18:28, for posting the actual law.

It's now 9pm on a Saturday night.

Do you know where your teen is?
Whom they're with?
What they're drinking?
Who's driving?

You can just say no, and save their life.

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Anonymous wrote:He's going to prison. It's all just a terrible terrible nightmare.

What?? What happened?

Nothing has happened yet. But there is really little doubt he will get jail time if charged with vehicular homicide.

§2–504.
(a) A person may not cause the death of another as a result of the person’s negligently driving, operating, or controlling a motor vehicle or vessel while impaired by alcohol.
(b) A violation of this section is homicide by motor vehicle or vessel while impaired by alcohol.
(c) A person who violates this section is guilty of a felony and on conviction is subject to imprisonment not exceeding 3 years or a fine not exceeding $5,000 or both.

§2–505.
(a) A person may not cause the death of another as a result of the person’s negligently driving, operating, or controlling a motor vehicle or vessel while the person is so far impaired by a drug, a combination of drugs, or a combination of one or more drugs and alcohol that the person cannot drive, operate, or control a motor vehicle or vessel safely.
(b) A violation of this section is homicide by motor vehicle or vessel while impaired by drugs.
(c) A person who violates this section is guilty of a felony and on conviction is subject to imprisonment not exceeding 3 years or a fine not exceeding $5,000 or both.
(d) It is not a defense to a charge of violating this section that the person is or was entitled under the laws of this State to use a drug, combination of drugs, or combination of one or more drugs and alcohol, unless the person was unaware that the drug, combination of drugs, or combination of one or more drugs and alcohol would make the person incapable of driving, operating, or controlling a motor vehicle or vessel in a safe manner.

Anonymous wrote:He's going to prison. It's all just a terrible terrible nightmare.

What?? What happened?

He's going to prison. It's all just a terrible terrible nightmare.

Kids with established alcohol addiction problems need a good residential treatment program. That may be their best bet for successful recovery.

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Anonymous wrote:I wonder if Sam Ellis needed an alarm to help him stay out of trouble.

I'd be really pissed if that was his car/family car that he was driving in the accident. One alcohol violation, plus a fighting arrest, is enough to keep most parents from letting their kids have the keys. 18 or not.

Why would an adult tell their parents about an arrest.

They don't need to be told. Public to anyone who wants to search the court records. And when people have this much contact with the law, there is almost always ongoing issues with behavior in general. This stuff isn't a shock to anyone, I'm sure.

How often do you run your kids name in md court search, do you search every state they have visited?

You are ridiculous. The kid had an alcohol violation in the Fall of his senior year. That is not uncommon in MoCo. It was over 6 months later, you think he is still grounded.

You can hope and hope that his parents are to blame, then you can justify in your mind that since you are a superior parent nothing like this will ever happen to your family. But that is not how it works, no matter how much you wish it to be true.

It was March 15 for the first one and June 3 for the second one. Not last fall. That is WAY too much contact with police in a very short amount of time. And it should be a huge red flag to anyone with any common sense. But my underlying point is that when there is that much contact with police for a kid who is barely out of high school (and who knows if he's got a juvenile record or not), there are likely many more signs there that his behavior isn't on the up and up. And that's what parents need to be looking for. All of us.

Exactly. If we see our kid going down a bad path, you can encourage them to do better OR you cut the purse strings.

So your 18 yo adult child get in trouble for the 1st time less than 6 months before he moves out and you disown him?

Keep telling yourself you are a better parent, but you are not.

NP here. Who is paying for this kid's college?

And who said anything about disowning him? You've got to be the most helpless parent ever. Cutting purse strings =/= disowning. There's a lot more a parent can do.

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Anonymous wrote:I wonder if Sam Ellis needed an alarm to help him stay out of trouble.

I'd be really pissed if that was his car/family car that he was driving in the accident. One alcohol violation, plus a fighting arrest, is enough to keep most parents from letting their kids have the keys. 18 or not.

Why would an adult tell their parents about an arrest.

They don't need to be told. Public to anyone who wants to search the court records. And when people have this much contact with the law, there is almost always ongoing issues with behavior in general. This stuff isn't a shock to anyone, I'm sure.

How often do you run your kids name in md court search, do you search every state they have visited?

You are ridiculous. The kid had an alcohol violation in the Fall of his senior year. That is not uncommon in MoCo. It was over 6 months later, you think he is still grounded.

You can hope and hope that his parents are to blame, then you can justify in your mind that since you are a superior parent nothing like this will ever happen to your family. But that is not how it works, no matter how much you wish it to be true.

It was March 15 for the first one and June 3 for the second one. Not last fall. That is WAY too much contact with police in a very short amount of time. And it should be a huge red flag to anyone with any common sense. But my underlying point is that when there is that much contact with police for a kid who is barely out of high school (and who knows if he's got a juvenile record or not), there are likely many more signs there that his behavior isn't on the up and up. And that's what parents need to be looking for. All of us.

Exactly. If we see our kid going down a bad path, you can encourage them to do better OR you cut the purse strings.

So your 18 yo adult child get in trouble for the 1st time less than 6 months before he moves out and you disown him?

Keep telling yourself you are a better parent, but you are not.

NP here. Who is paying for this kid's college?