Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:LMAO! It's quite comical to see the CC bashers trying one angle after another, only to crash and burn with a fallacious argument each time.

Actually, it's quite comical for the CC supporters not to understand that it is the PARCC and the Smarter Balanced tests that will be the end of the Common Core.

The people who devised the Common Core absolutely had testing in mind as a crucial piece of the Standards. They didn't need to add it into the standards because they knew the NCLB already required it. The standards WON"T EXIST WITHOUT THE TESTING.

But the testing will exist without the Common Core standards. So what's your point? The Common Core standards are bad because they are associated with testing that would occur with or without the Common Core standards?

However, ok. Your crystal ball says that the PARCC and Smarter Balanced tests will be the end of the Common Core standards, for some reason that you have not yet explained. Future events will show whether your crystal ball is correct.

I suggest you look around at early adopter states that have been testing the Common Core for awhile now. The experience is often terrible, especially for special education students. It will fuel the parents' and students' revolt.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:LMAO! It's quite comical to see the CC bashers trying one angle after another, only to crash and burn with a fallacious argument each time.

Actually, it's quite comical for the CC supporters not to understand that it is the PARCC and the Smarter Balanced tests that will be the end of the Common Core.

The people who devised the Common Core absolutely had testing in mind as a crucial piece of the Standards. They didn't need to add it into the standards because they knew the NCLB already required it. The standards WON"T EXIST WITHOUT THE TESTING.

But the testing will exist without the Common Core standards. So what's your point? The Common Core standards are bad because they are associated with testing that would occur with or without the Common Core standards?

However, ok. Your crystal ball says that the PARCC and Smarter Balanced tests will be the end of the Common Core standards, for some reason that you have not yet explained. Future events will show whether your crystal ball is correct.

Anonymous wrote:LMAO! It's quite comical to see the CC bashers trying one angle after another, only to crash and burn with a fallacious argument each time.

Actually, it's quite comical for the CC supporters not to understand that it is the PARCC and the Smarter Balanced tests that will be the end of the Common Core.

The people who devised the Common Core absolutely had testing in mind as a crucial piece of the Standards. They didn't need to add it into the standards because they knew the NCLB already required it. The standards WON"T EXIST WITHOUT THE TESTING.

LMAO! It's quite comical to see the CC bashers trying one angle after another, only to crash and burn with a fallacious argument each time.

Anonymous wrote:Yet more proof that the Common Core and its required testing does not consider the needs of special education students:

Smarter Balanced Field Tests Show Major Gaps for Students With Disabilities


http://www.advocacyinstitute.org/blog/?p=582
The Smarter Balanced Assessment Consortium (SBAC) released results of its 2014 field testing on December 22, 2014. Results included projections of student performance on the assessments based on the field test demographic sample by content area, grade level and demographic groups as defined by No Child Left Behind.

The Common Core standards do not require testing. No Child Left Behind (a federal law from 2001) requires testing. No Child Left Behind is unrelated to the Common Core standards. There was No Child Left Behind testing before the Common Core standards. No Child Left Behind requires all states to have testing, including states that did not adopt the Common Core standards.

Yet more proof that the Common Core and its required testing does not consider the needs of special education students:

Smarter Balanced Field Tests Show Major Gaps for Students With Disabilities


http://www.advocacyinstitute.org/blog/?p=582
The Smarter Balanced Assessment Consortium (SBAC) released results of its 2014 field testing on December 22, 2014. Results included projections of student performance on the assessments based on the field test demographic sample by content area, grade level and demographic groups as defined by No Child Left Behind.

Anonymous wrote:

CCSS.Math.Content.4.NBT.B.4
Fluently add and subtract multi-digit whole numbers using the standard algorithm.

Gee. And, this was never taught in fourth grade before Common Core?

You can't simultaneously argue that the Common Core standards are the worst thing ever AND that the Common Core standards are nothing new. Or rather, you evidently can -- but it's not a logical argument.

CCSS.Math.Content.4.NBT.B.4
Fluently add and subtract multi-digit whole numbers using the standard algorithm.

Gee. And, this was never taught in fourth grade before Common Core?

Anonymous wrote:

How about some verifiable specifics and details about what was so bad? That a test is bad doesn't necessarily mean the standard is bad. There are good test questions, and there are bad test questions. Remember, PARCC was developed by different people, separate from Common Core. If the test is bad, then maybe the test needs to be fixed. But again, if you think it's Common Core, you likewise need to provide specifics, about which specific element is a problem, and why. So far, none of the CC critics has ever come up with anything tangible or legitimate.

LOL! You just told us that your "experts" were so much better qualified than others to write standards. Here is a clue, if the standards are so clear, why are companies having so much difficulty developing materials?

(You're talking to multiple posters.)

Can you please provide an example of an unclear standard? For example, is this fourth-grade math standard unclear?

CCSS.Math.Content.4.NBT.B.4
Fluently add and subtract multi-digit whole numbers using the standard algorithm.

And can you please provide evidence that the companies are having "so much difficulty" developing materials. I don't consider "I read somewhere on the Internet that the PARCC tests are really bad" as evidence.

The educational publishing industry is producing some good stuff, a lot of mediocre stuff, and some really awful stuff -- just as they did before the Common Core standards, and just as they would continue to do if the Common Core standards disappeared tomorrow.

How about some verifiable specifics and details about what was so bad? That a test is bad doesn't necessarily mean the standard is bad. There are good test questions, and there are bad test questions. Remember, PARCC was developed by different people, separate from Common Core. If the test is bad, then maybe the test needs to be fixed. But again, if you think it's Common Core, you likewise need to provide specifics, about which specific element is a problem, and why. So far, none of the CC critics has ever come up with anything tangible or legitimate.

LOL! You just told us that your "experts" were so much better qualified than others to write standards. Here is a clue, if the standards are so clear, why are companies having so much difficulty developing materials?

Anonymous wrote:I've seen samples from PARCC. Pretty bad. We don't need Common Core. It is not an improvement. It is not going to improve education and lots of money is being poured into it.

How about some verifiable specifics and details about what was so bad? That a test is bad doesn't necessarily mean the standard is bad. There are good test questions, and there are bad test questions. Remember, PARCC was developed by different people, separate from Common Core. If the test is bad, then maybe the test needs to be fixed. But again, if you think it's Common Core, you likewise need to provide specifics, about which specific element is a problem, and why. So far, none of the CC critics has ever come up with anything tangible or legitimate.

On the internet, I guess. Maybe it wasn't the tests themselves. However, I have seen samples --and I imagine you have, too. CC is a mess and you aren't going to convince many people that it will work. Three years and it will be over.

Anonymous wrote:I've seen samples from PARCC. Pretty bad. We don't need Common Core. It is not an improvement. It is not going to improve education and lots of money is being poured into it.

Where, how, and why did you see samples from the PARCC tests? Could you share the information? What do you find "pretty bad" about the PARCC tests?

I've seen samples from PARCC. Pretty bad. We don't need Common Core. It is not an improvement. It is not going to improve education and lots of money is being poured into it.

Anonymous wrote:
The standards are tied to testing. The tests are crappy. When you come up with decent tests, come back and talk.

Have you taken the PARCC test or the Smarter Balanced test? Why do you say that they are "crappy"?

And actually, it's more accurate to say that the testing is aligned to the standards. As it should be.