On the one hand you have the people claiming they can’t believe she didn’t pony up for the ring subscription. On the other you have the people thinking she was abducted because she lives in a $950 house, er sorry, “mansion.”

Anonymous wrote:I have ring cameras and don't pay for a subscription. They were installed by the previous homeowner. I like them even without the subscription. I work from home and I like to see who's at the door or in the driveway. I like the ability to click on the camera in the app and look out onto the street from anywhere, whether we are home or not. Sounds like Ms Guthrie wanted it for the same purposes, plus to view any potential wildlife, which is a real thing in az.

Sure, we can afford it, but it's just another bill and we feel it's not necessary.

Yeah and also, we should keep in mind, she had a reason to feel safe. There were no stories in this country of the families of press being targeted as far as I know. It is something that can happen in other countries or in this country by foreign agents, but the case I know of was a targeted attempt at assassination not a kidnapping to get money. She was happy in her 1-story home (which is great-no steps) and enjoying a peaceful life until this happened. Nobody could have predicted it. I'm sure if this had happened before, Guthrie would have tried to push her mom to have more security, but in the end it's the mom's choice.

I do hope she is returned ALIVE and we need to know what is going on! It seems like a poorly thought-out scheme. This sort of thing does go on in other countries which makes me wonder if there is a foreign entity involved.

Anonymous wrote:I have ring cameras and don't pay for a subscription. They were installed by the previous homeowner. I like them even without the subscription. I work from home and I like to see who's at the door or in the driveway. I like the ability to click on the camera in the app and look out onto the street from anywhere, whether we are home or not. Sounds like Ms Guthrie wanted it for the same purposes, plus to view any potential wildlife, which is a real thing in az.

Sure, we can afford it, but it's just another bill and we feel it's not necessary.

+1, but in DCUM-world, money grows on trees and they happily will pay for any subscription service. DCUM loves to waste money!

I have ring cameras and don't pay for a subscription. They were installed by the previous homeowner. I like them even without the subscription. I work from home and I like to see who's at the door or in the driveway. I like the ability to click on the camera in the app and look out onto the street from anywhere, whether we are home or not. Sounds like Ms Guthrie wanted it for the same purposes, plus to view any potential wildlife, which is a real thing in az.

Sure, we can afford it, but it's just another bill and we feel it's not necessary.

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Anonymous wrote:It was Savannah. Just like the guy who staged his own racial attack. She needs to publicity.

Jussie Smollett? You think Savannah staged this?

I don't think much about it but yes, i can see that.

I am the PP who suspects the sister and BIL because the cameras were disabled and there are no signs of forced entry. I don’t see how or why Savannah would stage this

The sheriff said the cameras recorded over earlier footage.

I just see her as completely FOS so it doesn't seem so farfetched to me. Time will tell.

Savannah has nothing to gain from staging her mother’s demise. If her mother promised 1/3 of her assets to the older sister, then that certainly is a motive to explore

What assets do you think the mother has?? The family has money from Savannah's success. The mom was a SAHM. The husband died with they were teens. They couldn't even afford for Savannah to live in the dorms in college.

Correction: The mother has money from Savannah’s success. A 3,000 sq ft mansion for a 85 year old with mobility issues is a bit excessive. The mother was certainly not starving but the siblings? There’s no telling

You are delulu. That is not a mansion. That is a normal single story brick house normal for Tucson in the 1980s for a middle class family. Like everyone I knew had a house like that or in stucco with a pool out back and cacti in the yard. The whole family looks like very normal Tucson folk.

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This is a pretty normal house in Tucson (if you want to live in a good school district and not waaay far from central and downtown Tucson), even now. The choices tend to be newer houses in a more traditional looking neighborhood with small yards and far less privacy, or something like what Nancy lives in (a step up in price but you get privacy & 3x the lot size). Many of these homes actually need a fair bit of work and updating. Also, having an in ground pool in Tucson is super normal for the middle class.

Now tell us what she paid for it in 1975 and what it's worth now.

I’ve heard $80ish thousand in 1975 but am not going to look it up. With about $1M now according to Zillow (with a lot of that gain in the last decade). Probably worth $600Kish 10 years ago.

So, not nothing. The house is worth nothing but the land is valuable.

Thats with the land, coo coo

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Anonymous wrote:It was Savannah. Just like the guy who staged his own racial attack. She needs to publicity.

Jussie Smollett? You think Savannah staged this?

I don't think much about it but yes, i can see that.

I am the PP who suspects the sister and BIL because the cameras were disabled and there are no signs of forced entry. I don’t see how or why Savannah would stage this

The sheriff said the cameras recorded over earlier footage.

I just see her as completely FOS so it doesn't seem so farfetched to me. Time will tell.

Savannah has nothing to gain from staging her mother’s demise. If her mother promised 1/3 of her assets to the older sister, then that certainly is a motive to explore

What assets do you think the mother has?? The family has money from Savannah's success. The mom was a SAHM. The husband died with they were teens. They couldn't even afford for Savannah to live in the dorms in college.

Correction: The mother has money from Savannah’s success. A 3,000 sq ft mansion for a 85 year old with mobility issues is a bit excessive. The mother was certainly not starving but the siblings? There’s no telling

You are delulu. That is not a mansion. That is a normal single story brick house normal for Tucson in the 1980s for a middle class family. Like everyone I knew had a house like that or in stucco with a pool out back and cacti in the yard. The whole family looks like very normal Tucson folk.

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This is a pretty normal house in Tucson (if you want to live in a good school district and not waaay far from central and downtown Tucson), even now. The choices tend to be newer houses in a more traditional looking neighborhood with small yards and far less privacy, or something like what Nancy lives in (a step up in price but you get privacy & 3x the lot size). Many of these homes actually need a fair bit of work and updating. Also, having an in ground pool in Tucson is super normal for the middle class.

Now tell us what she paid for it in 1975 and what it's worth now.

I’ve heard $80ish thousand in 1975 but am not going to look it up. With about $1M now according to Zillow (with a lot of that gain in the last decade). Probably worth $600Kish 10 years ago.

So, not nothing. The house is worth nothing but the land is valuable.

I don't know why you keep saying this. THere is nothing extraordinary about this house/land in Tucson. I mean, she's got some awesome agaves, but no one is getting kidnapped or murdered because they have awesome agaves and a short commute to Foothills Mall. It's just totally irrelevant to anything.

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Anonymous wrote:Sort of weird that there was no motive for several days and then suddenly there was a ransom note -- sent to media outlets. The whole things seems weird.

I think the ransom demands were sent to the local stations earlier and they kept it quiet, but TMZ did TMZ. Maybe the kidnapper wanted coverage of the ransom demand and when the local outlets didn't report it (probably at the request of LE) he went to TMZ knowing they would put it out there.

Yes, I read KVOA, KUAT, etc, all the local stations received a copy, and immediately took it to law enforcement that told them not to publish, so they didn't. TMZ got a copy a day later and published THEN took it to law enforcement after publishing. I don't know whether the local stations got it before the news of the disappearance went out though -- obviously if they got it before then, that increases the credibility of the demand. I assume law enforcement has tried to track the emails -- unfortunately, I think any basic criminal (or preteen) now knows how to route an email to disguise the origin.

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Anonymous wrote:It was Savannah. Just like the guy who staged his own racial attack. She needs to publicity.

Jussie Smollett? You think Savannah staged this?

I don't think much about it but yes, i can see that.

I am the PP who suspects the sister and BIL because the cameras were disabled and there are no signs of forced entry. I don’t see how or why Savannah would stage this

The sheriff said the cameras recorded over earlier footage.

I just see her as completely FOS so it doesn't seem so farfetched to me. Time will tell.

Savannah has nothing to gain from staging her mother’s demise. If her mother promised 1/3 of her assets to the older sister, then that certainly is a motive to explore

What assets do you think the mother has?? The family has money from Savannah's success. The mom was a SAHM. The husband died with they were teens. They couldn't even afford for Savannah to live in the dorms in college.

Correction: The mother has money from Savannah’s success. A 3,000 sq ft mansion for a 85 year old with mobility issues is a bit excessive. The mother was certainly not starving but the siblings? There’s no telling

A three thousand sq foot “mansion”. Do people even know what words mean anymore. 3000 sq is the guest house at a mansion.

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Anonymous wrote:It was Savannah. Just like the guy who staged his own racial attack. She needs to publicity.

Jussie Smollett? You think Savannah staged this?

I don't think much about it but yes, i can see that.

I am the PP who suspects the sister and BIL because the cameras were disabled and there are no signs of forced entry. I don’t see how or why Savannah would stage this

The sheriff said the cameras recorded over earlier footage.

I just see her as completely FOS so it doesn't seem so farfetched to me. Time will tell.

Savannah has nothing to gain from staging her mother’s demise. If her mother promised 1/3 of her assets to the older sister, then that certainly is a motive to explore

Seems like a lot of trouble and risk to hasten the demise of an elderly woman who is unwell. You’re literally insane.

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Anonymous wrote:It was Savannah. Just like the guy who staged his own racial attack. She needs to publicity.

Jussie Smollett? You think Savannah staged this?

I don't think much about it but yes, i can see that.

I am the PP who suspects the sister and BIL because the cameras were disabled and there are no signs of forced entry. I don’t see how or why Savannah would stage this

The sheriff said the cameras recorded over earlier footage.

I just see her as completely FOS so it doesn't seem so farfetched to me. Time will tell.

Savannah has nothing to gain from staging her mother’s demise. If her mother promised 1/3 of her assets to the older sister, then that certainly is a motive to explore

What assets do you think the mother has?? The family has money from Savannah's success. The mom was a SAHM. The husband died with they were teens. They couldn't even afford for Savannah to live in the dorms in college.

Correction: The mother has money from Savannah’s success. A 3,000 sq ft mansion for a 85 year old with mobility issues is a bit excessive. The mother was certainly not starving but the siblings? There’s no telling

You are delulu. That is not a mansion. That is a normal single story brick house normal for Tucson in the 1980s for a middle class family. Like everyone I knew had a house like that or in stucco with a pool out back and cacti in the yard. The whole family looks like very normal Tucson folk.

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This is a pretty normal house in Tucson (if you want to live in a good school district and not waaay far from central and downtown Tucson), even now. The choices tend to be newer houses in a more traditional looking neighborhood with small yards and far less privacy, or something like what Nancy lives in (a step up in price but you get privacy & 3x the lot size). Many of these homes actually need a fair bit of work and updating. Also, having an in ground pool in Tucson is super normal for the middle class.

Now tell us what she paid for it in 1975 and what it's worth now.

I’ve heard $80ish thousand in 1975 but am not going to look it up. With about $1M now according to Zillow (with a lot of that gain in the last decade). Probably worth $600Kish 10 years ago.

So, not nothing. The house is worth nothing but the land is valuable.

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Anonymous wrote:It was Savannah. Just like the guy who staged his own racial attack. She needs to publicity.

Jussie Smollett? You think Savannah staged this?

I don't think much about it but yes, i can see that.

I am the PP who suspects the sister and BIL because the cameras were disabled and there are no signs of forced entry. I don’t see how or why Savannah would stage this

The sheriff said the cameras recorded over earlier footage.

I just see her as completely FOS so it doesn't seem so farfetched to me. Time will tell.

Savannah has nothing to gain from staging her mother’s demise. If her mother promised 1/3 of her assets to the older sister, then that certainly is a motive to explore

What assets do you think the mother has?? The family has money from Savannah's success. The mom was a SAHM. The husband died with they were teens. They couldn't even afford for Savannah to live in the dorms in college.

Correction: The mother has money from Savannah’s success. A 3,000 sq ft mansion for a 85 year old with mobility issues is a bit excessive. The mother was certainly not starving but the siblings? There’s no telling

You are delulu. That is not a mansion. That is a normal single story brick house normal for Tucson in the 1980s for a middle class family. Like everyone I knew had a house like that or in stucco with a pool out back and cacti in the yard. The whole family looks like very normal Tucson folk.

+1

This is a pretty normal house in Tucson (if you want to live in a good school district and not waaay far from central and downtown Tucson), even now. The choices tend to be newer houses in a more traditional looking neighborhood with small yards and far less privacy, or something like what Nancy lives in (a step up in price but you get privacy & 3x the lot size). Many of these homes actually need a fair bit of work and updating. Also, having an in ground pool in Tucson is super normal for the middle class.

Now tell us what she paid for it in 1975 and what it's worth now.

I’ve heard $80ish thousand in 1975 but am not going to look it up. With about $1M now according to Zillow (with a lot of that gain in the last decade). Probably worth $600Kish 10 years ago.

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Anonymous wrote:It was Savannah. Just like the guy who staged his own racial attack. She needs to publicity.

Jussie Smollett? You think Savannah staged this?

I don't think much about it but yes, i can see that.

I am the PP who suspects the sister and BIL because the cameras were disabled and there are no signs of forced entry. I don’t see how or why Savannah would stage this

The sheriff said the cameras recorded over earlier footage.

I just see her as completely FOS so it doesn't seem so farfetched to me. Time will tell.

Savannah has nothing to gain from staging her mother’s demise. If her mother promised 1/3 of her assets to the older sister, then that certainly is a motive to explore

What assets do you think the mother has?? The family has money from Savannah's success. The mom was a SAHM. The husband died with they were teens. They couldn't even afford for Savannah to live in the dorms in college.

Correction: The mother has money from Savannah’s success. A 3,000 sq ft mansion for a 85 year old with mobility issues is a bit excessive. The mother was certainly not starving but the siblings? There’s no telling

You are delulu. That is not a mansion. That is a normal single story brick house normal for Tucson in the 1980s for a middle class family. Like everyone I knew had a house like that or in stucco with a pool out back and cacti in the yard. The whole family looks like very normal Tucson folk.

+1

This is a pretty normal house in Tucson (if you want to live in a good school district and not waaay far from central and downtown Tucson), even now. The choices tend to be newer houses in a more traditional looking neighborhood with small yards and far less privacy, or something like what Nancy lives in (a step up in price but you get privacy & 3x the lot size). Many of these homes actually need a fair bit of work and updating. Also, having an in ground pool in Tucson is super normal for the middle class.

Now tell us what she paid for it in 1975 and what it's worth now.

Someone on websleuths looked it up and IIRC it was around 85k. I already posted this up thread. I think the current estimate around $1M which is less appreciation than a home inside the beltway in Nova.

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Anonymous wrote:It was Savannah. Just like the guy who staged his own racial attack. She needs to publicity.

Jussie Smollett? You think Savannah staged this?

I don't think much about it but yes, i can see that.

I am the PP who suspects the sister and BIL because the cameras were disabled and there are no signs of forced entry. I don’t see how or why Savannah would stage this

The sheriff said the cameras recorded over earlier footage.

I just see her as completely FOS so it doesn't seem so farfetched to me. Time will tell.

Savannah has nothing to gain from staging her mother’s demise. If her mother promised 1/3 of her assets to the older sister, then that certainly is a motive to explore

What assets do you think the mother has?? The family has money from Savannah's success. The mom was a SAHM. The husband died with they were teens. They couldn't even afford for Savannah to live in the dorms in college.

Correction: The mother has money from Savannah’s success. A 3,000 sq ft mansion for a 85 year old with mobility issues is a bit excessive. The mother was certainly not starving but the siblings? There’s no telling

You are delulu. That is not a mansion. That is a normal single story brick house normal for Tucson in the 1980s for a middle class family. Like everyone I knew had a house like that or in stucco with a pool out back and cacti in the yard. The whole family looks like very normal Tucson folk.

+1

This is a pretty normal house in Tucson (if you want to live in a good school district and not waaay far from central and downtown Tucson), even now. The choices tend to be newer houses in a more traditional looking neighborhood with small yards and far less privacy, or something like what Nancy lives in (a step up in price but you get privacy & 3x the lot size). Many of these homes actually need a fair bit of work and updating. Also, having an in ground pool in Tucson is super normal for the middle class.

Now tell us what she paid for it in 1975 and what it's worth now.

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Anonymous wrote:It was Savannah. Just like the guy who staged his own racial attack. She needs to publicity.

Jussie Smollett? You think Savannah staged this?

I don't think much about it but yes, i can see that.

I am the PP who suspects the sister and BIL because the cameras were disabled and there are no signs of forced entry. I don’t see how or why Savannah would stage this

The sheriff said the cameras recorded over earlier footage.

I just see her as completely FOS so it doesn't seem so farfetched to me. Time will tell.

Savannah has nothing to gain from staging her mother’s demise. If her mother promised 1/3 of her assets to the older sister, then that certainly is a motive to explore

What assets do you think the mother has?? The family has money from Savannah's success. The mom was a SAHM. The husband died with they were teens. They couldn't even afford for Savannah to live in the dorms in college.

Correction: The mother has money from Savannah’s success. A 3,000 sq ft mansion for a 85 year old with mobility issues is a bit excessive. The mother was certainly not starving but the siblings? There’s no telling

You are delulu. That is not a mansion. That is a normal single story brick house normal for Tucson in the 1980s for a middle class family. Like everyone I knew had a house like that or in stucco with a pool out back and cacti in the yard. The whole family looks like very normal Tucson folk.

+1

This is a pretty normal house in Tucson (if you want to live in a good school district and not waaay far from central and downtown Tucson), even now. The choices tend to be newer houses in a more traditional looking neighborhood with small yards and far less privacy, or something like what Nancy lives in (a step up in price but you get privacy & 3x the lot size). Many of these homes actually need a fair bit of work and updating. Also, having an in ground pool in Tucson is super normal for the middle class.

Praying for her safe return.