I can’t stand the way Robby treats Mohan, probably the best doctor there, with empathy to boot. So hard on her.

Anonymous wrote:Y'all seem to forget that in Season 1, Santos was wearing an ANKLE MONITOR. We don't know exactly what she did but we know she only has limited access to her kid and whatever she did, everyone knows about it. So you can sort of see why she resents the fact that her colleague doesn't appear ot have experienced the same consequences for his behavior. We don't know for sure, but Santos might also have an addictdion problem, and if she was forced to face the consequences of her actions, then clearly she thinks Langdono is getting off too easy.

Wtf are you talking about? McKay had the ankle monitor, not Santos.

I don’t think the ice storyline is over. The missing patient Mohan was treating will likely be brought back in an ambulance dead or dying from a blood clot.

When was this episode filmed ? Filming wrapped this January so was the Jesse arrest inspired by Alex Pretti’s death at the hands of ice ? The similarities are hard to ignore: male nurses targeted by ice after stepping in to protect a woman.

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Anonymous wrote:Langdon didn’t get off with a pass. Santos is sanctimonious with the limited perspective of youth. Everyone makes mistakes. Everyone screws up. The majority of people deserve a second chance. He’s trying to make right, he’s not perfect.

Life is not black or white, it’s a lot of gray

It blows me away the people think this. He stole meds and then replaced it with saline and then had it used on a patient instead of the actual medicine.

That’s a crime on so many levels.

And he’s still a doctor at the same job as before

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Langdon didn’t get off with a pass. Santos is sanctimonious with the limited perspective of youth. Everyone makes mistakes. Everyone screws up. The majority of people deserve a second chance. He’s trying to make right, he’s not perfect.

Life is not black or white, it’s a lot of gray

I actually agree with this but I would apply it to BOTH Langdon and Santos. Langdon deserves a second chance if he's willing to put in the work and follow the presumably very strict rules of his return. But Santos also deserves a chance to correct some of her behavioral mistakes, yet many people absolutely hate her and refuse to see how this situation could be understandably hard for her (or that she really did do something brave and worthwhile in reporting Langdon in the first place). As you point out, she's young and inexperienced. I wonder what Langdon or McKay or Robby or Dana were like in their first year or two on the job. Santos may be arrogant and sanctimonious, but she has good qualities too and I don't understand why people are so harsh towards her.

People are hard on her because she was a dick to, among others, Whittaker and Javadi in S1, and did a bunch of reckless, dangerous stuff that could have ot actually did endanger patients, for which she experienced no consequences. Some of that is understandable, but that's why people are harsh towards her. She was right about Langdon, but her interpersonal skills are hot garbage.

This is selective though. Yes she was rude to Javadi and Whitaker, but she also gave Whitaker a place to live and genuinely appears to care about him and tips Robby off when she's concerned that the situation with the widow might not be healthy for him. She's mean to Javadi but it's also clear that this is partly due to her just not getting how she's coming off and being tone deaf, rather than actual animosity. I also disagree that she did a bunch of dangerous stuff that endangered patients. She is overzealous in wanting to get hands on medical experience and she makes a few mistakes, but is it really any more dangerous than things other doctors have done on the show, like Javadi not checking back in on her patient who coded or Ogilvie removing that piece of glass without asking first? No. She needed to be corrected and she was. She clearly now has a good working relationship with Robby and it doesn't look like Mohan or McKay has any issues with her, so it doesn't look like that issue has persisted since her first day of work.

For some reason people can be nuanced in how they look at other characters but when it comes to Santos, they get very black and white. I don't get it. She's complex.

There's good and bad in her, just like there is in Langdon.

Watched the after show and am blown away that Whitaker actually has a British accent!

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Anonymous wrote:Langdon didn’t get off with a pass. Santos is sanctimonious with the limited perspective of youth. Everyone makes mistakes. Everyone screws up. The majority of people deserve a second chance. He’s trying to make right, he’s not perfect.

Life is not black or white, it’s a lot of gray

It blows me away the people think this. He stole meds and then replaced it with saline and then had it used on a patient instead of the actual medicine.

That’s a crime on so many levels.

Not only that, but when his intern (Santos) told him the there was something wrong with the vial of medication because it had been weirdly hard to open (because Landon had glued it closes after replacing the meds with saline) and the patient didn't respond as expected (because they were getting saline instead of actual medication), he gave her incorrect medical instructions to cover his theft -- he told her that her difficulty with the vial was probably just due to her inexperience and that it was normal to have to give another vial if the first one wasn't enough. So he's training a doctor and just lying to her about recognizing signs of tampering on medication and giving her dosing advice that could kill someone.

I like Langdon and am rooting for him but it's really weird to me that people downplay the facts of what happened with this addiction and the way he was diverting meds. And that people are so dismissive of Santos or think she should "move on" because they are annoyed that she is still hung up on it. It was a very big deal. I don't necessarily agree with her that Langdon should be fired and never work again (there are good reasons why doctors and nurses with addiction issues are given a chance to do what Langdon is doing) but I don't blame Santos for still being upset or being frustrated with the lack of accountability with how Langdon has returned to the ED. I can see both sides.

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Anonymous wrote:Langdon didn’t get off with a pass. Santos is sanctimonious with the limited perspective of youth. Everyone makes mistakes. Everyone screws up. The majority of people deserve a second chance. He’s trying to make right, he’s not perfect.

Life is not black or white, it’s a lot of gray

I actually agree with this but I would apply it to BOTH Langdon and Santos. Langdon deserves a second chance if he's willing to put in the work and follow the presumably very strict rules of his return. But Santos also deserves a chance to correct some of her behavioral mistakes, yet many people absolutely hate her and refuse to see how this situation could be understandably hard for her (or that she really did do something brave and worthwhile in reporting Langdon in the first place). As you point out, she's young and inexperienced. I wonder what Langdon or McKay or Robby or Dana were like in their first year or two on the job. Santos may be arrogant and sanctimonious, but she has good qualities too and I don't understand why people are so harsh towards her.

People are hard on her because she was a dick to, among others, Whittaker and Javadi in S1, and did a bunch of reckless, dangerous stuff that could have ot actually did endanger patients, for which she experienced no consequences. Some of that is understandable, but that's why people are harsh towards her. She was right about Langdon, but her interpersonal skills are hot garbage.

Anonymous wrote:Langdon didn’t get off with a pass. Santos is sanctimonious with the limited perspective of youth. Everyone makes mistakes. Everyone screws up. The majority of people deserve a second chance. He’s trying to make right, he’s not perfect.

Life is not black or white, it’s a lot of gray

I actually agree with this but I would apply it to BOTH Langdon and Santos. Langdon deserves a second chance if he's willing to put in the work and follow the presumably very strict rules of his return. But Santos also deserves a chance to correct some of her behavioral mistakes, yet many people absolutely hate her and refuse to see how this situation could be understandably hard for her (or that she really did do something brave and worthwhile in reporting Langdon in the first place). As you point out, she's young and inexperienced. I wonder what Langdon or McKay or Robby or Dana were like in their first year or two on the job. Santos may be arrogant and sanctimonious, but she has good qualities too and I don't understand why people are so harsh towards her.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Langdon didn’t get off with a pass. Santos is sanctimonious with the limited perspective of youth. Everyone makes mistakes. Everyone screws up. The majority of people deserve a second chance. He’s trying to make right, he’s not perfect.

Life is not black or white, it’s a lot of gray

It blows me away the people think this. He stole meds and then replaced it with saline and then had it used on a patient instead of the actual medicine.

That’s a crime on so many levels.

+1 I might find Santos incredibly annoying but I am 100% with her on this one.

Anonymous wrote:Langdon didn’t get off with a pass. Santos is sanctimonious with the limited perspective of youth. Everyone makes mistakes. Everyone screws up. The majority of people deserve a second chance. He’s trying to make right, he’s not perfect.

Life is not black or white, it’s a lot of gray

It blows me away the people think this. He stole meds and then replaced it with saline and then had it used on a patient instead of the actual medicine.

That’s a crime on so many levels.

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Anonymous wrote:They had one Spanish speaking patient all day, then ICE shows up and half the waiting room flees?

Robby and Santos were at their worst. Ogilvie was painful to watch. Mel and Javadi were both a mess. Dana is so hyper competent that it's not really believable.

Such rapid fire editing, it was just scenes flashing by, not much coherence. The show continues to get away from what it had going in season one.

Disagree, thought this episode was great. I like how it's the flip of last season's chaos with the mass shooter. The ER is eerily quiet because patients are taking off due to ICE. The tension of that situation is heightening all the existing stressors for everyone. The quiet and patients leaving are also giving people more space to think, and to discuss issues, which is leading to trauma and conflict bubbling up.

I thought this episode was very eerie and well done.

+1. Very intense. And stressful.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Y'all seem to forget that in Season 1, Santos was wearing an ANKLE MONITOR. We don't know exactly what she did but we know she only has limited access to her kid and whatever she did, everyone knows about it. So you can sort of see why she resents the fact that her colleague doesn't appear ot have experienced the same consequences for his behavior. We don't know for sure, but Santos might also have an addictdion problem, and if she was forced to face the consequences of her actions, then clearly she thinks Langdono is getting off too easy.

That was McKay

How could someone mix this up?

The same people on this thread who keep calling Santos, Garcia.

Anonymous wrote:Langdon didn’t get off with a pass. Santos is sanctimonious with the limited perspective of youth. Everyone makes mistakes. Everyone screws up. The majority of people deserve a second chance. He’s trying to make right, he’s not perfect.

Life is not black or white, it’s a lot of gray

I mean. He really should be in jail.

Langdon didn’t get off with a pass. Santos is sanctimonious with the limited perspective of youth. Everyone makes mistakes. Everyone screws up. The majority of people deserve a second chance. He’s trying to make right, he’s not perfect.

Life is not black or white, it’s a lot of gray