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Anonymous wrote:This is crazy to me.

We might be moving to the area for a job and my son has a late August birthday. Say for sake where we live he could be in K or 1st. He is currently in 1st but is at K reading level.

Principal and teachers agree that if we move he should be held back and attend 1st again.

He gets additional help at school and outside of school. They do not suggest keeping him back at our current school, but I know of at least one student who was kept back (teachers recommendation) who also had a late summer birthday.

So, does this mean if we move to DC and use DCPS he has to attend 2nd grade and we can't have him go to 1st again?

We might look at private in the future, but there aren't many spots when you move this late.

It is shocking to me because the Principal literally told us she did this with one of her sons when she moved and it made a huge difference.

We have also got advice outside the school system and they say the same thing!

I think a September 30th birthday is too late especially for boys (my school district is end of August). I don't want people jumping on me here, but I feel the schools really do not think what is best for all students.

It’s crazy to me too. DC Public has some crazy built into it. The crazy has reared its head more often since Covid.

Look into public schools outside of DC such as in MD or VA or privates within. Smaller privates that only go to 8th such as WES and Sheridan are more likely to have space. If they do not ask space, ask them if they have heard of schools that do, since many private school administrators talk to each other. Red-shirted private school kids often turn out so well that the schools insist upon it. DCPS doesn’t want the kids so might as well go where they’re wanted.

Well sure. I’m willing to bet that if I went to kindergarten I’d do great too. Of course kids who are older do better.

I have to question the school if they are not able to teach at an age appropriate level.

Based on your social skills sounds like kindergarten is appropriate. Or maybe the mental health ward. You can’t be totally normal when you’re so dedicated to this antiredshirting crusade when it doesn’t impact you at all. I’m wondering what stuff you’re running away from in real life.

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Anonymous wrote:This is crazy to me.

We might be moving to the area for a job and my son has a late August birthday. Say for sake where we live he could be in K or 1st. He is currently in 1st but is at K reading level.

Principal and teachers agree that if we move he should be held back and attend 1st again.

He gets additional help at school and outside of school. They do not suggest keeping him back at our current school, but I know of at least one student who was kept back (teachers recommendation) who also had a late summer birthday.

So, does this mean if we move to DC and use DCPS he has to attend 2nd grade and we can't have him go to 1st again?

We might look at private in the future, but there aren't many spots when you move this late.

It is shocking to me because the Principal literally told us she did this with one of her sons when she moved and it made a huge difference.

We have also got advice outside the school system and they say the same thing!

I think a September 30th birthday is too late especially for boys (my school district is end of August). I don't want people jumping on me here, but I feel the schools really do not think what is best for all students.

It’s crazy to me too. DC Public has some crazy built into it. The crazy has reared its head more often since Covid.

Look into public schools outside of DC such as in MD or VA or privates within. Smaller privates that only go to 8th such as WES and Sheridan are more likely to have space. If they do not ask space, ask them if they have heard of schools that do, since many private school administrators talk to each other. Red-shirted private school kids often turn out so well that the schools insist upon it. DCPS doesn’t want the kids so might as well go where they’re wanted.

Well sure. I’m willing to bet that if I went to kindergarten I’d do great too. Of course kids who are older do better.

I have to question the school if they are not able to teach at an age appropriate level.

Anonymous wrote:This is crazy to me.

We might be moving to the area for a job and my son has a late August birthday. Say for sake where we live he could be in K or 1st. He is currently in 1st but is at K reading level.

Principal and teachers agree that if we move he should be held back and attend 1st again.

He gets additional help at school and outside of school. They do not suggest keeping him back at our current school, but I know of at least one student who was kept back (teachers recommendation) who also had a late summer birthday.

So, does this mean if we move to DC and use DCPS he has to attend 2nd grade and we can't have him go to 1st again?

We might look at private in the future, but there aren't many spots when you move this late.

It is shocking to me because the Principal literally told us she did this with one of her sons when she moved and it made a huge difference.

We have also got advice outside the school system and they say the same thing!

I think a September 30th birthday is too late especially for boys (my school district is end of August). I don't want people jumping on me here, but I feel the schools really do not think what is best for all students.

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Anonymous wrote:This is crazy to me.

We might be moving to the area for a job and my son has a late August birthday. Say for sake where we live he could be in K or 1st. He is currently in 1st but is at K reading level.

Principal and teachers agree that if we move he should be held back and attend 1st again.

He gets additional help at school and outside of school. They do not suggest keeping him back at our current school, but I know of at least one student who was kept back (teachers recommendation) who also had a late summer birthday.

So, does this mean if we move to DC and use DCPS he has to attend 2nd grade and we can't have him go to 1st again?

We might look at private in the future, but there aren't many spots when you move this late.

It is shocking to me because the Principal literally told us she did this with one of her sons when she moved and it made a huge difference.

We have also got advice outside the school system and they say the same thing!

I think a September 30th birthday is too late especially for boys (my school district is end of August). I don't want people jumping on me here, but I feel the schools really do not think what is best for all students.

It’s crazy to me too. DC Public has some crazy built into it. The crazy has reared its head more often since Covid.

Look into public schools outside of DC such as in MD or VA or privates within. Smaller privates that only go to 8th such as WES and Sheridan are more likely to have space. If they do not ask space, ask them if they have heard of schools that do, since many private school administrators talk to each other. Red-shirted private school kids often turn out so well that the schools insist upon it. DCPS doesn’t want the kids so might as well go where they’re wanted.

Well sure. I’m willing to bet that if I went to kindergarten I’d do great too. Of course kids who are older do better.

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Anonymous wrote:This is crazy to me.

We might be moving to the area for a job and my son has a late August birthday. Say for sake where we live he could be in K or 1st. He is currently in 1st but is at K reading level.

Principal and teachers agree that if we move he should be held back and attend 1st again.

He gets additional help at school and outside of school. They do not suggest keeping him back at our current school, but I know of at least one student who was kept back (teachers recommendation) who also had a late summer birthday.

So, does this mean if we move to DC and use DCPS he has to attend 2nd grade and we can't have him go to 1st again?

We might look at private in the future, but there aren't many spots when you move this late.

It is shocking to me because the Principal literally told us she did this with one of her sons when she moved and it made a huge difference.

We have also got advice outside the school system and they say the same thing!

I think a September 30th birthday is too late especially for boys (my school district is end of August). I don't want people jumping on me here, but I feel the schools really do not think what is best for all students.

It’s crazy to me too. DC Public has some crazy built into it. The crazy has reared its head more often since Covid.

Look into public schools outside of DC such as in MD or VA or privates within. Smaller privates that only go to 8th such as WES and Sheridan are more likely to have space. If they do not ask space, ask them if they have heard of schools that do, since many private school administrators talk to each other. Red-shirted private school kids often turn out so well that the schools insist upon it. DCPS doesn’t want the kids so might as well go where they’re wanted.

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Anonymous wrote:This is crazy to me.

We might be moving to the area for a job and my son has a late August birthday. Say for sake where we live he could be in K or 1st. He is currently in 1st but is at K reading level.

Principal and teachers agree that if we move he should be held back and attend 1st again.

He gets additional help at school and outside of school. They do not suggest keeping him back at our current school, but I know of at least one student who was kept back (teachers recommendation) who also had a late summer birthday.

So, does this mean if we move to DC and use DCPS he has to attend 2nd grade and we can't have him go to 1st again?

We might look at private in the future, but there aren't many spots when you move this late.

It is shocking to me because the Principal literally told us she did this with one of her sons when she moved and it made a huge difference.

We have also got advice outside the school system and they say the same thing!

I think a September 30th birthday is too late especially for boys (my school district is end of August). I don't want people jumping on me here, but I feel the schools really do not think what is best for all students.

It’s crazy to me too. DC Public has some crazy built into it. The crazy has reared its head more often since Covid.

Look into public schools outside of DC such as in MD or VA or privates within. Smaller privates that only go to 8th such as WES and Sheridan are more likely to have space. If they do not ask space, ask them if they have heard of schools that do, since many private school administrators talk to each other. Red-shirted private school kids often turn out so well that the schools insist upon it. DCPS doesn’t want the kids so might as well go where they’re wanted.

Anonymous wrote:This is crazy to me.

We might be moving to the area for a job and my son has a late August birthday. Say for sake where we live he could be in K or 1st. He is currently in 1st but is at K reading level.

Principal and teachers agree that if we move he should be held back and attend 1st again.

He gets additional help at school and outside of school. They do not suggest keeping him back at our current school, but I know of at least one student who was kept back (teachers recommendation) who also had a late summer birthday.

So, does this mean if we move to DC and use DCPS he has to attend 2nd grade and we can't have him go to 1st again?

We might look at private in the future, but there aren't many spots when you move this late.

It is shocking to me because the Principal literally told us she did this with one of her sons when she moved and it made a huge difference.

We have also got advice outside the school system and they say the same thing!

I think a September 30th birthday is too late especially for boys (my school district is end of August). I don't want people jumping on me here, but I feel the schools really do not think what is best for all students.

Anonymous wrote:I don't love the "boy" thing people have. Sure you can point to studies that show a difference between boys and girls, but they all show a lot more variation within the sex than between the sexes.

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Anonymous wrote:I agree that some of these posters show troubling mental health signs. Really surprised the lack of boundary awareness. We are talking about kids here and people are speculating wildly about special needs, IEP, what was approved, with absolutely no shred of evidence. Ultimately that’s a private matter, leave it to the school and parents.

The comments about taking pleasure in someone’s (a child, none the less!) misfortune were truly repugnant. You’ve got to have a massive chip on your shoulder to stoop so low.

The competition these parents imagine themselves to be in is truly disturbing. The kid starting kindergarten later won’t steal anyone spot at a coveted college or a job later on, life is not that deterministic.

Also the strident chest beating about how great of a mother a poster is for taking care of her special needs child, and judging everyone else by how they compare against how much she did for her kid. Are we competing on who sacrificed most for their kids now? That’s what it seems. The bragging and inquiring about whose kid is more advanced in math, that’s a whole next level of insane competitiveness.

Unfortunately these harpies are lost, there’s no relief in sight, because they think of themselves as heroine mothers and models to follow, the very voice of common sense.

Lol no. The issue is an entitled set of NW moms taking up ALL the air in the room to get their own way. That’s no way to run a school system and we have seen very recent examples of where catering to a coterie of “concerned moms” was disastrous.

Yes this. All of the opposition is because people who think rules don't apply to them are grating. But then the UNW moms create a bunch of straw man arguments and vehemently defend them. That feels like 50 percent of this thread now.

I know! The other 50% is “look how much I did for my child, why can’t you do the same?”

In short, striver mom gets her ivy (lol) hopes high when her kid is taking calculus in 10th grade, only to see them shattered by actual college admission results. Meanwhile, lower “stats” kid gets into UVA. Initially she can’t even comprehend it, but it finally dawn on her, the kid was redshirted, an unfair advantage that negated all her hard work throughout the years. All that kindergarten reading, the algebra in 6th, the tutoring, it was for nothing because her kid was the youngest in the grade, a massive handicap to those in the know.

So she does what any rational person would do, troll internet posting boards, seeking validation of her parenting skill and spewing venom on redshirted kids and their parents. It’s really cathartic at the end of the day, and much cheaper than therapy. Not as effective though, her rants are getting more and more unhinged.

This is a perfect example of a straw man argument . Thank you!

But you’ve been so forthcoming with sharing personal details in your life especially about giving parents advice on how to raise their kids.

For real though, what college did your kid go to? Because with all the advice you’re dishing out, forgive me, but I want to make sure you’re legit and the final outcome is worthy of paying attention to you. If it’s below William and Mary don’t say anything, we get it, I won’t push it further and you have my sympathy.

My kids are not in college yet but it’s clear you held back to game the system. You did it for your ego vs your kids. I could not care less the ranking and hope mine go to an affordable school so we can pay for college and grad school. Except in a few fields no one cares about rankings except someone like you.

You just proved the point we are making about people like you who are gaming the system. I feel for your kids given how competitive you are.

Why is it gaming the system to hold back a kid until he’s ready to enter kindergarten?

Don’t you want all the kids to do well?

Because they are bigger, stronger, taller, faster, start puberty early for their grade and have more developed brains than the age level kids in their grades. Those factors impact almost everything.

The physical traits only matter in sports and those are by age. The intellectual abilities are not as connected to age and more with learning.

I don’t believe it’s an advantage, but if you believe those things, why didn’t you redshirt you kid? I still don’t understand what the issue is if some parents want to advantage their kids and send them later. We don’t blink an eye at tutors and expensive private schools.

Some sports have ethical policies that go by age not grade, to prevent this nonsense. I have smart kids, good IQ's and we prepared them academically and support as needed. Maybe if you tried that....

He does great academically even without me putting a lot of effort into it. With my career I wouldn’t have the time anyways. He has always been more independent and mature compared to other kids. Based on grades, AP scores and extracurriculars (captain of the varsity swim team) we’re targeting top schools.

Where does your kid go? If it’s around Boston they might end up close, fingers crossed!

This is a pretty typical profile. The more you post, the more you look silly as no reason to hold back. How do they do swimming outside hs where it is age based? How do they just have hs swim as an extra curricular. That’s only like three months out of the year. Funny how competitive you are. It’s sad you admit you put no effort in and your career comes first. He isn’t more mature or independent. He’s one to two years older so he’s equal or less due to the age gap. I feel bad for kids like yours where parents have all kinds of d of priorities that aren’t their kids being first. You held back for you, not him.

Don’t tell me how to raise my child I won’t tell you how to raise yours. Same with family priorities.

Really don’t get what your beef is or why you feel bad. How was that a “bad” outcome for the child? The kid turned out fine, maybe it would have been fine either way. If anything it is an indication that redshirting is not detrimental. In the end it’s a smart kid, doing great academically and socially that has a bright future ahead. That’s the dream of every parent. Mission accomplished, moving on to the next chapter in life.

You aren’t raising your kid. You are too busy with your career. These kids are not smarter and brighter nor more mature. They are with younger peers so you need to put them with age appropriate peers to compare. They may not survive in college never having to work hard or be challenged.

A total of 14 AP scores of 5 throughout high school would beg to differ. In high school the age matters less, there a lot of mixing between younger and older students especially in AP classes. It doesn’t matter. We didn’t care about classmates birthdays but my estimate is he was younger than the average in AP Calculus, older in AP Spanish.

I’m happy about how I raised my kid and where he ended up, actually I’m quite proud of it. Having a career is in my view a positive model for a child that can see the parent being engaged and a productive member of society. My kid absolutely loved career days.

Not sure which ap calc your kid took but mine took bc as a 15 year old. That’s smart. Your kid may be extremely smart but you held them back.

Same, he was in 9th grade, it worked out fine. So what if they were held back, there no prize on who graduates high school the youngest. Holding back worked for us, I don’t see why you are so aggravated by this. Serious trying hard to understand, but I don’t get it.

I hardly doubt he was in 9th and you are probably making this all up. And, if he was in 9th held back doing bc you are proving there was no reason to hold him back. What school system allowed this? It would be very rare. Your posts get more and more bizzare and are proof on why your kid shou,d not have been held back. So, what math are they in now if they did bc as a freshman? And then there is no way they could do 15 aps there are no ap classes in math after calc bc.

You can doubt as much as you like.

AP Statistics in 10th, dual enrollment in 11th, for a total of four semesters of Multivariable Calculus, Linear Algebra, Differential Equations and Discrete Math, basically exhausting the community college math catalogue. The school also allows AP computer science classes to be taken as math, but he took them as electives, easy 5s. He didn’t do 15 APs, I said 14.

As I said the coursework was plenty challenging, basically he could have earned an AA degree while in high school, but chose not to so that the freshman status is not affected. It worked out great for him college wise.

This child should not have been held back and they are lying about the math. And, probably everything else. No school allows computer science as a math.

DC and few other states allow computer science class to fulfill math requirements in high school.

Read what they are posting. They wouldn't need the math requirement if the child was actually at CC as it would transfer. NOTHING they say makes sense. MD does not and they specifically said MD.

Computer science classes satisfy math requirements in DC and MD, Google to convince yourself. So do classes taken as dual enrollment, that’s why they are called that, they satisfy both college and high school requirements. You have no idea what you’re talking about, just screaming “you lie” left and right picking random bits from posts you don’t like. You really are unhinged, take a break from DCUM for a couple of days it will calm you down.

Md requires four years of math. You are making up stuff. Computer science is a separate requirement. You are required four years of math including algebra and geometry and have to take an algebra test to graduate.

https://marylandpublicschools.org/about/Documents/DCAA/Math/MMGR/FAQsMathEveryYearEnrollmentRequirements.pdf

Read that. A Computer Science course that is not AP© Computer Science if the local school system
determines the course meets the mathematics standards required by this regulation.


Mcps does not allow it and cs is a separate requirement. You have 4 years of math and a t h class.

You’re so dumb you can’t even read an approved course list for math programs.

A.1.f. AP Computer Science

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Anonymous wrote:This is crazy to me.

We might be moving to the area for a job and my son has a late August birthday. Say for sake where we live he could be in K or 1st. He is currently in 1st but is at K reading level.

Principal and teachers agree that if we move he should be held back and attend 1st again.

He gets additional help at school and outside of school. They do not suggest keeping him back at our current school, but I know of at least one student who was kept back (teachers recommendation) who also had a late summer birthday.

So, does this mean if we move to DC and use DCPS he has to attend 2nd grade and we can't have him go to 1st again?

We might look at private in the future, but there aren't many spots when you move this late.

It is shocking to me because the Principal literally told us she did this with one of her sons when she moved and it made a huge difference.

We have also got advice outside the school system and they say the same thing!

I think a September 30th birthday is too late especially for boys (my school district is end of August). I don't want people jumping on me here, but I feel the schools really do not think what is best for all students.

Holding kids with academic difficulty back has not shown to benefit students. If a child has dyslexia or another learning disability they need services not another year of failure.

Anonymous wrote:This is crazy to me.

We might be moving to the area for a job and my son has a late August birthday. Say for sake where we live he could be in K or 1st. He is currently in 1st but is at K reading level.

Principal and teachers agree that if we move he should be held back and attend 1st again.

He gets additional help at school and outside of school. They do not suggest keeping him back at our current school, but I know of at least one student who was kept back (teachers recommendation) who also had a late summer birthday.

So, does this mean if we move to DC and use DCPS he has to attend 2nd grade and we can't have him go to 1st again?

We might look at private in the future, but there aren't many spots when you move this late.

It is shocking to me because the Principal literally told us she did this with one of her sons when she moved and it made a huge difference.

We have also got advice outside the school system and they say the same thing!

I think a September 30th birthday is too late especially for boys (my school district is end of August). I don't want people jumping on me here, but I feel the schools really do not think what is best for all students.

Anonymous wrote:This is crazy to me.

We might be moving to the area for a job and my son has a late August birthday. Say for sake where we live he could be in K or 1st. He is currently in 1st but is at K reading level.

Principal and teachers agree that if we move he should be held back and attend 1st again.

He gets additional help at school and outside of school. They do not suggest keeping him back at our current school, but I know of at least one student who was kept back (teachers recommendation) who also had a late summer birthday.

So, does this mean if we move to DC and use DCPS he has to attend 2nd grade and we can't have him go to 1st again?

We might look at private in the future, but there aren't many spots when you move this late.

It is shocking to me because the Principal literally told us she did this with one of her sons when she moved and it made a huge difference.

We have also got advice outside the school system and they say the same thing!

I think a September 30th birthday is too late especially for boys (my school district is end of August). I don't want people jumping on me here, but I feel the schools really do not think what is best for all students.

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Anonymous wrote:Not at all surprising that the My School DC would be removing kids if they are outside of the age cutoffs. The website very clearly states the DCPS policy that some claim do not exist:

Kindergarten: No older than five on September 30, 2025

https://www.myschooldc.org/how-apply/age-cutoffs-cutoff-dates

Omg look at the way back machine. That’s a new addition to the language, obviously added to assuage the chancellor

Actually it's been a DC regulation since October 2006.

Chapter 5 Section 5-E2004: https://www.dcregs.dc.gov/Common/DCMR/RuleList.aspx?ChapterNum=5-E20&ChapterId=242

2004.3 A student who is or will become five (5) years of age on or before December 31st of the 2006-2007 school year and September 30th in all subsequent school years shall be eligible for admission to the kindergarten program.

2004.5 A student who is or will become six (6) years of age on or before December 31st of the 2006-2007 and 2007-2008 school years and September 30th in all subsequent school years shall be eligible for admission to the first (1st) grade.

“Shall be eligible” is not the same 🤦‍♀️

What does "a student who is five years of age on September 30 of the school year shall be eligible for admission to the kindergarten program" mean to you?

What do you think the intention of the regulation is in explicitly listing the age eligibility for admission for PK3, PK4, K, and 1st?

Get this in front of a judge and see who has the better argument. The policy is not clear as debated in this thread. My money is on these families winning.

The statute is extremely clear and DCPS is well within its rights to set the policy. Maybe there’s some kind of case for arbitrary agency action but by the time the moms win (in theory) on that, their kids will be in HS. These moms need to give up and either enroll their snowflakes in KIPP (which has a June cutoff) or send them to 1st then ask that they be sent back to K or repeat 1st (per the policy).

What’s the point of putting them in 1st then shuffling them around to get the same result in the end? The district would just do it out of spite. Not ok for someone paid from public money in my view.

You don’t buy the right to make DCPS policy because you pay taxes lady.