Anonymous wrote:Here is a list of injuries and deaths during filming. What does this say to you?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_film_and_television_accidents

NP--this is the most interesting link I've seen in a while! Thank you, PP.
(from glancing at the top of the article, it looks like helicopters are pretty dangerous)

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think that if Alec isn't at fault, the AD can't be at fault either. It's either one or all of them. But it doesn't make sense to me that Alec gets a pass on his safety infractions but the AD doesn't.

That said, I'm looking forward to hearing what the cops decide and I trust their judgment to assess the facts and assign blame.

I do think that movie sets are too dangerous, after hearing about all of this and the fact that it's normal to point guns at people and pull triggers. That's got to stop.

On a set everyone has their responsibilities. The AD’s is greater than an actor.

I tend to think the insurance will handle it. Alec is safe by far, but the AD and Armorer has all the liability. Still they will settle.

Anonymous wrote:Yes, let’s clarify, PP. You’re doing God’s work, woman. As a woman, can I just say your woman’s perspective on this tragedy has been magnificent? Thank you, woman to woman.

Would other women like to ring in with this important credential? Thank you.

Dude, calm down.

Anonymous wrote:According to sherriff at press conference, the actual bullet was removed from the director's shoulder and is now evidence. They have the casing as well...which we already know.

It must have been a real bullet. A blank would not have gone through the cinematographer and into the director.

I suspect the insurance company will fight coverage.

It's a comp case, so unless New Mexico is very different from the rest of the country, best of luck to them.

According to sherriff at press conference, the actual bullet was removed from the director's shoulder and is now evidence. They have the casing as well...which we already know.

It must have been a real bullet. A blank would not have gone through the cinematographer and into the director.

I suspect the insurance company will fight coverage.

More from the NY Times

"Mr. Baldwin then began rehearsing a scene that involved “cross drawing” the revolver and pointing it toward the camera lens, according to the affidavit, when the gun went off."

I sure don't see an admission that he pulled the trigger. Can the PP above who claims that AB said he pulled the trigger link to something non-right wing that says he did?

Anonymous wrote:I think that if Alec isn't at fault, the AD can't be at fault either. It's either one or all of them. But it doesn't make sense to me that Alec gets a pass on his safety infractions but the AD doesn't.

That said, I'm looking forward to hearing what the cops decide and I trust their judgment to assess the facts and assign blame.

I do think that movie sets are too dangerous, after hearing about all of this and the fact that it's normal to point guns at people and pull triggers. That's got to stop.

This is 2021 and the last time an actor was shot and killed on set was in 1993.

What is your definition of "too dangerous"?

Here is a list of injuries and deaths during filming. What does this say to you?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_film_and_television_accidents

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Anonymous wrote:Alec Baldwin says he pulled the trigger. There is no "it went off by accident" he pulled the trigger and killed someone. If you point a gun at someone and pull the trigger without checking (especially a revolver) that is 100% on you. If he stabbed them would it not be his fault because someone handed him the knife?

Yes, that's correct. He wouldn't be at fault if someone on a movie set handed him a knife that was supposed to have a retractable blade but was in fact a real knife with a solid blade.

The armorer's job on a movie set is to care for the guns and other weapons and make sure that they are used correctly during the making of the film/show.

And what would Baldwin even check for exactly? The gun was supposed to be loaded with a blank. Many blank shots look exactly like live shots (real bullets).

The person responsible for this is the armorer. She didn't do her job and her negligence led to a death.

Where there supposed to be blanks? Shooting a blank at a person a few feet away is still pretty dangerous

Anonymous wrote:I think that if Alec isn't at fault, the AD can't be at fault either. It's either one or all of them. But it doesn't make sense to me that Alec gets a pass on his safety infractions but the AD doesn't.

That said, I'm looking forward to hearing what the cops decide and I trust their judgment to assess the facts and assign blame.

I do think that movie sets are too dangerous, after hearing about all of this and the fact that it's normal to point guns at people and pull triggers. That's got to stop.

On a set everyone has their responsibilities. The AD’s is greater than an actor.

Update from NY Times suggests AD is in serious trouble and the armorer is too.

"Dave Halls, the assistant director on the film “Rust,” told an investigator that he had not checked all of the rounds in the gun he handed to Alec Baldwin, as he should have, according to an affidavit released Wednesday.

He said that the film’s armorer, Hannah Gutierrez-Reed, had opened the gun for him to inspect but that he did not check all the rounds, according to the affidavit.

“He advised he should have checked all of them, but didn’t, and couldn’t recall if she spun the drum,” according to the affidavit. He said he remembered seeing only three rounds."

I think that if Alec isn't at fault, the AD can't be at fault either. It's either one or all of them. But it doesn't make sense to me that Alec gets a pass on his safety infractions but the AD doesn't.

That said, I'm looking forward to hearing what the cops decide and I trust their judgment to assess the facts and assign blame.

I do think that movie sets are too dangerous, after hearing about all of this and the fact that it's normal to point guns at people and pull triggers. That's got to stop.

Anonymous wrote:Alec Baldwin says he pulled the trigger. There is no "it went off by accident" he pulled the trigger and killed someone. If you point a gun at someone and pull the trigger without checking (especially a revolver) that is 100% on you. If he stabbed them would it not be his fault because someone handed him the knife?

Yes, that's correct. He wouldn't be at fault if someone on a movie set handed him a knife that was supposed to have a retractable blade but was in fact a real knife with a solid blade.

The armorer's job on a movie set is to care for the guns and other weapons and make sure that they are used correctly during the making of the film/show.

And what would Baldwin even check for exactly? The gun was supposed to be loaded with a blank. Many blank shots look exactly like live shots (real bullets).

The person responsible for this is the armorer. She didn't do her job and her negligence led to a death.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Dollars to donuts, AB didn't know there were real bullets on set.

So some other cast members knew there real bullets on set, since they had gone shooting (plinking) earlier that day (or maybe earlier days?). Are we going to say that those people are liable because they didn't say anything or check the gun?

Anyone involved with bringing actual bullets onto the set will have to answer some questions.

Anonymous wrote:Dollars to donuts, AB didn't know there were real bullets on set.

So some other cast members knew there real bullets on set, since they had gone shooting (plinking) earlier that day (or maybe earlier days?). Are we going to say that those people are liable because they didn't say anything or check the gun?

Anonymous wrote:Alec Baldwin says he pulled the trigger. There is no "it went off by accident" he pulled the trigger and killed someone. If you point a gun at someone and pull the trigger without checking (especially a revolver) that is 100% on you. If he stabbed them would it not be his fault because someone handed him the knife?

If props says they are handing him a a retractable knife possibly not.