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Anonymous wrote:Had club webinar last night ECNL boys and girls club. Lots of questions asked from parents one was specifically August kids who are 9th graders but would’ve placed on a team of mostly 8th graders next year.

They said players will play within the age bands never heard that term until then??? but kids will tryout for their new age group Aug-July and after tryouts the club will talk with families. No players will be forced to play on age group above regardless of grade.

If a player would like to play and up the club believes they are at the level they will be allowed.

This is what clubs say now but aligning Aug birthdays with their grade in school team makes things much easier for them to manage.

If you think clubs wont choose the path that is in their best interests you are a fool.

How does it make it easier for them (the club) to manage? Have you ever used one of the CRMs they use for club management (I know the answer, you've only been in involved in soccer for a few years with your daughter)? Nothing, I repeat, nothing in any of them is set up to revolve around grade. It is meaningless. Everything is set up to revolve around age brackets in these systems! Trying to organize by grade actually makes a club's life harder. So again, how would aligning someone with a specific grade make it easier for clubs to manage them? Please explain.

Your assumptions are humorous. I've already said that I was around pre 2017 which is why I know whats going to happen with SY and Aug birthdays.

I've also already listed multiple times why its easier for clubs when all players on a team are the same graduating year aka grade in school.

Yes, we know you personally existed before 2017, but you have only been involved with soccer on the girls side for a few years. As a parent. Which is fine Delusional August Guy.

Humor me on this: "I've also already listed multiple times why its easier for clubs when all players on a team are the same graduating year aka grade in school."

How is it 'easier' for the club?

Clubs want all levels of player playing on the correct grade in school A B C etc team. This is because its better for players when they get to recruiting years. Its better for the club because they avoid 8th grade teams with 9th grade players who do high school soccer for 4 months out of the year. And in general its easier for clubs to manage everyone when players are grouped by grade. (Think homecoming, or a school trip that only one grade participates in, etc)

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Anonymous wrote:Had club webinar last night ECNL boys and girls club. Lots of questions asked from parents one was specifically August kids who are 9th graders but would’ve placed on a team of mostly 8th graders next year.

They said players will play within the age bands never heard that term until then??? but kids will tryout for their new age group Aug-July and after tryouts the club will talk with families. No players will be forced to play on age group above regardless of grade.

If a player would like to play and up the club believes they are at the level they will be allowed.

This is what clubs say now but aligning Aug birthdays with their grade in school team makes things much easier for them to manage.

If you think clubs wont choose the path that is in their best interests you are a fool.

How does it make it easier for them (the club) to manage? Have you ever used one of the CRMs they use for club management (I know the answer, you've only been in involved in soccer for a few years with your daughter)? Nothing, I repeat, nothing in any of them is set up to revolve around grade. It is meaningless. Everything is set up to revolve around age brackets in these systems! Trying to organize by grade actually makes a club's life harder. So again, how would aligning someone with a specific grade make it easier for clubs to manage them? Please explain.

Your assumptions are humorous. I've already said that I was around pre 2017 which is why I know whats going to happen with SY and Aug birthdays.

I've also already listed multiple times why its easier for clubs when all players on a team are the same graduating year aka grade in school.

Yes, we know you personally existed before 2017, but you have only been involved with soccer on the girls side for a few years. As a parent. Which is fine Delusional August Guy.

Humor me on this: "I've also already listed multiple times why its easier for clubs when all players on a team are the same graduating year aka grade in school."

How is it 'easier' for the club?

Clubs want all levels of player playing on the correct grade in school A B C etc team. This is because its better for players when they get to recruiting years. Its better for the club because they avoid 8th grade teams with 9th grade players who do high school soccer for 4 months out of the year. And in general its easier for clubs to manage everyone when players are grouped by grade. (Think homecoming, or a school trip that only one grade participates in, etc)

You keep saying it is easier but don't explain it. Why is it easier?

Right now, the club's system are all set up to manage teams by age brackets. Grouping by grade may make it easier for a college coach but it is not easier for youth clubs. They are not set up to run that way and never have been. How would it be easier to suddenly switch that to 'grade'?

"Clubs want all levels of player playing on the correct grade in school A B C etc team"

They do? I have never seen a club that wants this.

They did explain it. When 9th graders on an 8th grade team disappear for a season because of highschool.

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Anonymous wrote:Had club webinar last night ECNL boys and girls club. Lots of questions asked from parents one was specifically August kids who are 9th graders but would’ve placed on a team of mostly 8th graders next year.

They said players will play within the age bands never heard that term until then??? but kids will tryout for their new age group Aug-July and after tryouts the club will talk with families. No players will be forced to play on age group above regardless of grade.

If a player would like to play and up the club believes they are at the level they will be allowed.

This is what clubs say now but aligning Aug birthdays with their grade in school team makes things much easier for them to manage.

If you think clubs wont choose the path that is in their best interests you are a fool.

How does it make it easier for them (the club) to manage? Have you ever used one of the CRMs they use for club management (I know the answer, you've only been in involved in soccer for a few years with your daughter)? Nothing, I repeat, nothing in any of them is set up to revolve around grade. It is meaningless. Everything is set up to revolve around age brackets in these systems! Trying to organize by grade actually makes a club's life harder. So again, how would aligning someone with a specific grade make it easier for clubs to manage them? Please explain.

Your assumptions are humorous. I've already said that I was around pre 2017 which is why I know whats going to happen with SY and Aug birthdays.

I've also already listed multiple times why its easier for clubs when all players on a team are the same graduating year aka grade in school.

Yes, we know you personally existed before 2017, but you have only been involved with soccer on the girls side for a few years. As a parent. Which is fine Delusional August Guy.

Humor me on this: "I've also already listed multiple times why its easier for clubs when all players on a team are the same graduating year aka grade in school."

How is it 'easier' for the club?

Clubs want all levels of player playing on the correct grade in school A B C etc team. This is because its better for players when they get to recruiting years. Its better for the club because they avoid 8th grade teams with 9th grade players who do high school soccer for 4 months out of the year. And in general its easier for clubs to manage everyone when players are grouped by grade. (Think homecoming, or a school trip that only one grade participates in, etc)

You keep saying it is easier but don't explain it. Why is it easier?

Right now, the club's system are all set up to manage teams by age brackets. Grouping by grade may make it easier for a college coach but it is not easier for youth clubs. They are not set up to run that way and never have been. How would it be easier to suddenly switch that to 'grade'?

"Clubs want all levels of player playing on the correct grade in school A B C etc team"

They do? I have never seen a club that wants this.

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Anonymous wrote:Had club webinar last night ECNL boys and girls club. Lots of questions asked from parents one was specifically August kids who are 9th graders but would’ve placed on a team of mostly 8th graders next year.

They said players will play within the age bands never heard that term until then??? but kids will tryout for their new age group Aug-July and after tryouts the club will talk with families. No players will be forced to play on age group above regardless of grade.

If a player would like to play and up the club believes they are at the level they will be allowed.

This is what clubs say now but aligning Aug birthdays with their grade in school team makes things much easier for them to manage.

If you think clubs wont choose the path that is in their best interests you are a fool.

How does it make it easier for them (the club) to manage? Have you ever used one of the CRMs they use for club management (I know the answer, you've only been in involved in soccer for a few years with your daughter)? Nothing, I repeat, nothing in any of them is set up to revolve around grade. It is meaningless. Everything is set up to revolve around age brackets in these systems! Trying to organize by grade actually makes a club's life harder. So again, how would aligning someone with a specific grade make it easier for clubs to manage them? Please explain.

Your assumptions are humorous. I've already said that I was around pre 2017 which is why I know whats going to happen with SY and Aug birthdays.

I've also already listed multiple times why its easier for clubs when all players on a team are the same graduating year aka grade in school.

Yes, we know you personally existed before 2017, but you have only been involved with soccer on the girls side for a few years. As a parent. Which is fine Delusional August Guy.

Humor me on this: "I've also already listed multiple times why its easier for clubs when all players on a team are the same graduating year aka grade in school."

How is it 'easier' for the club?

Clubs want all levels of player playing on the correct grade in school A B C etc team. This is because its better for players when they get to recruiting years. Its better for the club because they avoid 8th grade teams with 9th grade players who do high school soccer for 4 months out of the year. And in general its easier for clubs to manage everyone when players are grouped by grade. (Think homecoming, or a school trip that only one grade participates in, etc)

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Anonymous wrote:Had club webinar last night ECNL boys and girls club. Lots of questions asked from parents one was specifically August kids who are 9th graders but would’ve placed on a team of mostly 8th graders next year.

They said players will play within the age bands never heard that term until then??? but kids will tryout for their new age group Aug-July and after tryouts the club will talk with families. No players will be forced to play on age group above regardless of grade.

If a player would like to play and up the club believes they are at the level they will be allowed.

This is what clubs say now but aligning Aug birthdays with their grade in school team makes things much easier for them to manage.

If you think clubs wont choose the path that is in their best interests you are a fool.

How does it make it easier for them (the club) to manage? Have you ever used one of the CRMs they use for club management (I know the answer, you've only been in involved in soccer for a few years with your daughter)? Nothing, I repeat, nothing in any of them is set up to revolve around grade. It is meaningless. Everything is set up to revolve around age brackets in these systems! Trying to organize by grade actually makes a club's life harder. So again, how would aligning someone with a specific grade make it easier for clubs to manage them? Please explain.

Your assumptions are humorous. I've already said that I was around pre 2017 which is why I know whats going to happen with SY and Aug birthdays.

I've also already listed multiple times why its easier for clubs when all players on a team are the same graduating year aka grade in school.

Yes, we know you personally existed before 2017, but you have only been involved with soccer on the girls side for a few years. As a parent. Which is fine Delusional August Guy.

Humor me on this: "I've also already listed multiple times why its easier for clubs when all players on a team are the same graduating year aka grade in school."

How is it 'easier' for the club?

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Anonymous wrote:Had club webinar last night ECNL boys and girls club. Lots of questions asked from parents one was specifically August kids who are 9th graders but would’ve placed on a team of mostly 8th graders next year.

They said players will play within the age bands never heard that term until then??? but kids will tryout for their new age group Aug-July and after tryouts the club will talk with families. No players will be forced to play on age group above regardless of grade.

If a player would like to play and up the club believes they are at the level they will be allowed.

This is what clubs say now but aligning Aug birthdays with their grade in school team makes things much easier for them to manage.

If you think clubs wont choose the path that is in their best interests you are a fool.

How does it make it easier for them (the club) to manage? Have you ever used one of the CRMs they use for club management (I know the answer, you've only been in involved in soccer for a few years with your daughter)? Nothing, I repeat, nothing in any of them is set up to revolve around grade. It is meaningless. Everything is set up to revolve around age brackets in these systems! Trying to organize by grade actually makes a club's life harder. So again, how would aligning someone with a specific grade make it easier for clubs to manage them? Please explain.

Your assumptions are humorous. I've already said that I was around pre 2017 which is why I know whats going to happen with SY and Aug birthdays.

I've also already listed multiple times why its easier for clubs when all players on a team are the same graduating year aka grade in school.

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Anonymous wrote:Had club webinar last night ECNL boys and girls club. Lots of questions asked from parents one was specifically August kids who are 9th graders but would’ve placed on a team of mostly 8th graders next year.

They said players will play within the age bands never heard that term until then??? but kids will tryout for their new age group Aug-July and after tryouts the club will talk with families. No players will be forced to play on age group above regardless of grade.

If a player would like to play and up the club believes they are at the level they will be allowed.

This is what clubs say now but aligning Aug birthdays with their grade in school team makes things much easier for them to manage.

If you think clubs wont choose the path that is in their best interests you are a fool.

How does it make it easier for them (the club) to manage? Have you ever used one of the CRMs they use for club management (I know the answer, you've only been in involved in soccer for a few years with your daughter)? Nothing, I repeat, nothing in any of them is set up to revolve around grade. It is meaningless. Everything is set up to revolve around age brackets in these systems! Trying to organize by grade actually makes a club's life harder. So again, how would aligning someone with a specific grade make it easier for clubs to manage them? Please explain.

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Anonymous wrote:Had club webinar last night ECNL boys and girls club. Lots of questions asked from parents one was specifically August kids who are 9th graders but would’ve placed on a team of mostly 8th graders next year.

They said players will play within the age bands never heard that term until then??? but kids will tryout for their new age group Aug-July and after tryouts the club will talk with families. No players will be forced to play on age group above regardless of grade.

If a player would like to play and up the club believes they are at the level they will be allowed.

This is what clubs say now but aligning Aug birthdays with their grade in school team makes things much easier for them to manage.

If you think clubs wont choose the path that is in their best interests you are a fool.

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Anonymous wrote:Had club webinar last night ECNL boys and girls club. Lots of questions asked from parents one was specifically August kids who are 9th graders but would’ve placed on a team of mostly 8th graders next year.

They said players will play within the age bands never heard that term until then??? but kids will tryout for their new age group Aug-July and after tryouts the club will talk with families. No players will be forced to play on age group above regardless of grade.

If a player would like to play and up the club believes they are at the level they will be allowed.

This is what clubs say now but aligning Aug birthdays with their grade in school team makes things much easier for them to manage.

If you think clubs wont choose the path that is in their best interests you are a fool.

If only grade in school existed in travel club soccer
But calendar DOB age brackets exists, and is what's used by the leagues

So how about expect your kid to play in their age group as what's happening today

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Anonymous wrote:Had club webinar last night ECNL boys and girls club. Lots of questions asked from parents one was specifically August kids who are 9th graders but would’ve placed on a team of mostly 8th graders next year.

They said players will play within the age bands never heard that term until then??? but kids will tryout for their new age group Aug-July and after tryouts the club will talk with families. No players will be forced to play on age group above regardless of grade.

If a player would like to play and up the club believes they are at the level they will be allowed.

This is what clubs say now but aligning Aug birthdays with their grade in school team makes things much easier for them to manage.

If you think clubs wont choose the path that is in their best interests you are a fool.

Anonymous wrote:Had club webinar last night ECNL boys and girls club. Lots of questions asked from parents one was specifically August kids who are 9th graders but would’ve placed on a team of mostly 8th graders next year.

They said players will play within the age bands never heard that term until then??? but kids will tryout for their new age group Aug-July and after tryouts the club will talk with families. No players will be forced to play on age group above regardless of grade.

If a player would like to play and up the club believes they are at the level they will be allowed.

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Anonymous wrote:My daughter’s ECNL club in NorCal (Mustangs) director is not forcing players down regardless of birth month or school grade and they can stay on current teams. Once tryouts are over it will be up to parents and coaches to decide.

Looks like we can add NorCal Mustangs to the list of clubs grouping players by grade.

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Anonymous wrote:At this point, the most logical conclusion for why this thread lives on is that there are two trolls trolling each other and they don’t even realize it.

There is one person who is saying what will happen. There is another person who is interpreting the rules the way they want them implemented. Rules allow for clubs to do whatever they want with Aug birthdays. The rule is 8/1 and younger can play on X team. The whole concept of a 12 month eligibility window doesnt apply because players are allowed to play up. This is where people are getting stuck. US Soccer shouldn't have said SY= 8/1-7/31 when in actuality SY=8/1 and younger is the grouping. The 7/31 bound doesnt exist if players can play up. It just creates a mental roadblock for some people.

You lose one argument to a bunch of people and then bounce back to square one with trying to create a rule to make youth soccer fit what you want to help your personal situation but create big problems for kids that aren't yours. It isn't going to happen. It's a zero sum game and you are just trying to be selfish. Rinse and repeat.

If you have nothing new to add, you can just not post. You aren't raising awareness. Anybody with sense isn't reading hundreds of pages to learn anything here.

Sorry, leagues announced 8/1 - 7/31 in the summer except MLSN1, local teams announced no forcing up in winter posts and made it clear in the announcements that they limit playing up.

It's over.

Because leagues allow playing up "8/1 and under" is the same thing as "8/1-7/31". The 7/31 date is unnecessary. Also 7/31 creates the false perception that there is a lower bound for the eligibility window when it doesnt exist because players can play up.

You've taken the unnecessary 7/31 date and ran with it to the point where you believe only players in a 12 month window should be rostered on a team. Which is clearly not true because all leagues allow playing up. If leagues wanted a strict 12 month eligibility window they wouldnt allow playing up. Its unfortunate that the 7/31 date exists because your interpretation is not correct. Which is causing you to spread incorrect information to others.

Exactly correct 👌

Age guy has made it his quest in life to defend the poor players that might be younger than a 12 month 8/1-7/31 eligibility window. When in reality there is no 12 month eligibility window because players are allowed play up. Each competition level is simply 8/1 and younger. Its parents responsibility to put their kid on the correct grade in school team. If they dont it will make college recruiting 100x harder for their kid.

First parents and clubs responsibility is to keep kids safe. Colorado Rapids points out danger in playing up when not ready. College recruiting path is non existent for those playing up when not ready and it increases quiting. College recruiting path doesn't matter because colleges said they don't care what age group you are in, they evaluate all HS, transfers and foreign kids regardless of team.

There is no "playing up" 8/1 and younger are eligible per level in club. Parents can choose which level they try out for.

Levels happen to be mostly aligned with grade in school so this is what most parents will choose to tryout for.

Except for you. You'll choose to try out on the younger grade in school level. When this happens coaches will inform you that your kid didnt make the team but they have roster spots available on your kids grade in school B team.

Coaches do not care what grade you are in. They want the best kids they can get on their team within the rules (which are 8/1-7/31). That's it. That is what they will all end up doing. Can you imagine a coach at tryouts pondering: "This player is excellent and would be perfect for my team and is within the age group. But, she skipped third grade so I can't put her on my team now because of made up reasons! Oh well!"?

It is a bummer that your daughter may get pushed down to the 2nd or 3rd team Delusional August Guy. I'm sure she will take some lessons from it if you let her.

This should be the final post for this thread.

We see you crying to end this thread just as more and more proof is coming out that clubs plan to group Aug players by grade. No, its not going to happen. We're going to drag you out kicking and screaming into reality. Right around July is when you'll break.

The final bit of news trickled in last month when the Md side clubs; Bethesda, PPA, SAC and even DCSC matched NOVA by not forcing players up up and in summary are trying to limit playing up. The rules and policies around here are set for next year.

You fought hard, in an irrelevant forum, for your DD but in the end she will have to fight her own battles. It will be ok.

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Anonymous wrote:At this point, the most logical conclusion for why this thread lives on is that there are two trolls trolling each other and they don’t even realize it.

There is one person who is saying what will happen. There is another person who is interpreting the rules the way they want them implemented. Rules allow for clubs to do whatever they want with Aug birthdays. The rule is 8/1 and younger can play on X team. The whole concept of a 12 month eligibility window doesnt apply because players are allowed to play up. This is where people are getting stuck. US Soccer shouldn't have said SY= 8/1-7/31 when in actuality SY=8/1 and younger is the grouping. The 7/31 bound doesnt exist if players can play up. It just creates a mental roadblock for some people.

You lose one argument to a bunch of people and then bounce back to square one with trying to create a rule to make youth soccer fit what you want to help your personal situation but create big problems for kids that aren't yours. It isn't going to happen. It's a zero sum game and you are just trying to be selfish. Rinse and repeat.

If you have nothing new to add, you can just not post. You aren't raising awareness. Anybody with sense isn't reading hundreds of pages to learn anything here.

Sorry, leagues announced 8/1 - 7/31 in the summer except MLSN1, local teams announced no forcing up in winter posts and made it clear in the announcements that they limit playing up.

It's over.

Because leagues allow playing up "8/1 and under" is the same thing as "8/1-7/31". The 7/31 date is unnecessary. Also 7/31 creates the false perception that there is a lower bound for the eligibility window when it doesnt exist because players can play up.

You've taken the unnecessary 7/31 date and ran with it to the point where you believe only players in a 12 month window should be rostered on a team. Which is clearly not true because all leagues allow playing up. If leagues wanted a strict 12 month eligibility window they wouldnt allow playing up. Its unfortunate that the 7/31 date exists because your interpretation is not correct. Which is causing you to spread incorrect information to others.

Exactly correct 👌

Age guy has made it his quest in life to defend the poor players that might be younger than a 12 month 8/1-7/31 eligibility window. When in reality there is no 12 month eligibility window because players are allowed play up. Each competition level is simply 8/1 and younger. Its parents responsibility to put their kid on the correct grade in school team. If they dont it will make college recruiting 100x harder for their kid.

First parents and clubs responsibility is to keep kids safe. Colorado Rapids points out danger in playing up when not ready. College recruiting path is non existent for those playing up when not ready and it increases quiting. College recruiting path doesn't matter because colleges said they don't care what age group you are in, they evaluate all HS, transfers and foreign kids regardless of team.

There is no "playing up" 8/1 and younger are eligible per level in club. Parents can choose which level they try out for.

Levels happen to be mostly aligned with grade in school so this is what most parents will choose to tryout for.

Except for you. You'll choose to try out on the younger grade in school level. When this happens coaches will inform you that your kid didnt make the team but they have roster spots available on your kids grade in school B team.

Coaches do not care what grade you are in. They want the best kids they can get on their team within the rules (which are 8/1-7/31). That's it. That is what they will all end up doing. Can you imagine a coach at tryouts pondering: "This player is excellent and would be perfect for my team and is within the age group. But, she skipped third grade so I can't put her on my team now because of made up reasons! Oh well!"?

It is a bummer that your daughter may get pushed down to the 2nd or 3rd team Delusional August Guy. I'm sure she will take some lessons from it if you let her.

This should be the final post for this thread.

We see you crying to end this thread just as more and more proof is coming out that clubs plan to group Aug players by grade. No, its not going to happen. We're going to drag you out kicking and screaming into reality. Right around July is when you'll break.