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Anonymous wrote:At this point, the most logical conclusion for why this thread lives on is that there are two trolls trolling each other and they don’t even realize it.

There is one person who is saying what will happen. There is another person who is interpreting the rules the way they want them implemented. Rules allow for clubs to do whatever they want with Aug birthdays. The rule is 8/1 and younger can play on X team. The whole concept of a 12 month eligibility window doesnt apply because players are allowed to play up. This is where people are getting stuck. US Soccer shouldn't have said SY= 8/1-7/31 when in actuality SY=8/1 and younger is the grouping. The 7/31 bound doesnt exist if players can play up. It just creates a mental roadblock for some people.

You lose one argument to a bunch of people and then bounce back to square one with trying to create a rule to make youth soccer fit what you want to help your personal situation but create big problems for kids that aren't yours. It isn't going to happen. It's a zero sum game and you are just trying to be selfish. Rinse and repeat.

If you have nothing new to add, you can just not post. You aren't raising awareness. Anybody with sense isn't reading hundreds of pages to learn anything here.

Sorry, leagues announced 8/1 - 7/31 in the summer except MLSN1, local teams announced no forcing up in winter posts and made it clear in the announcements that they limit playing up.

It's over.

Because leagues allow playing up "8/1 and under" is the same thing as "8/1-7/31". The 7/31 date is unnecessary. Also 7/31 creates the false perception that there is a lower bound for the eligibility window when it doesnt exist because players can play up.

You've taken the unnecessary 7/31 date and ran with it to the point where you believe only players in a 12 month window should be rostered on a team. Which is clearly not true because all leagues allow playing up. If leagues wanted a strict 12 month eligibility window they wouldnt allow playing up. Its unfortunate that the 7/31 date exists because your interpretation is not correct. Which is causing you to spread incorrect information to others.

Pointless semantics gibberish.

Top clubs want to really limit kids playing up as they said in their posts and have acted over the years. Other sports aren't having a masses of kids play up and schools aren't having masses of kids up a grade.

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Anonymous wrote:At this point, the most logical conclusion for why this thread lives on is that there are two trolls trolling each other and they don’t even realize it.

There is one person who is saying what will happen. There is another person who is interpreting the rules the way they want them implemented. Rules allow for clubs to do whatever they want with Aug birthdays. The rule is 8/1 and younger can play on X team. The whole concept of a 12 month eligibility window doesnt apply because players are allowed to play up. This is where people are getting stuck. US Soccer shouldn't have said SY= 8/1-7/31 when in actuality SY=8/1 and younger is the grouping. The 7/31 bound doesnt exist if players can play up. It just creates a mental roadblock for some people.

You lose one argument to a bunch of people and then bounce back to square one with trying to create a rule to make youth soccer fit what you want to help your personal situation but create big problems for kids that aren't yours. It isn't going to happen. It's a zero sum game and you are just trying to be selfish. Rinse and repeat.

If you have nothing new to add, you can just not post. You aren't raising awareness. Anybody with sense isn't reading hundreds of pages to learn anything here.

Sorry, leagues announced 8/1 - 7/31 in the summer except MLSN1, local teams announced no forcing up in winter posts and made it clear in the announcements that they limit playing up.

It's over.

Because leagues allow playing up "8/1 and under" is the same thing as "8/1-7/31". The 7/31 date is unnecessary. Also 7/31 creates the false perception that there is a lower bound for the eligibility window when it doesnt exist because players can play up.

You've taken the unnecessary 7/31 date and ran with it to the point where you believe only players in a 12 month window should be rostered on a team. Which is clearly not true because all leagues allow playing up. If leagues wanted a strict 12 month eligibility window they wouldnt allow playing up. Its unfortunate that the 7/31 date exists because your interpretation is not correct. Which is causing you to spread incorrect information to others.

This is gibberish.

Hes saying that if leagues allow players to play up, which they do. The lower bounds of SY 8/1-7/31 is meaningless and unnecessary.

7/31 isnt needed.

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Anonymous wrote:At this point, the most logical conclusion for why this thread lives on is that there are two trolls trolling each other and they don’t even realize it.

There is one person who is saying what will happen. There is another person who is interpreting the rules the way they want them implemented. Rules allow for clubs to do whatever they want with Aug birthdays. The rule is 8/1 and younger can play on X team. The whole concept of a 12 month eligibility window doesnt apply because players are allowed to play up. This is where people are getting stuck. US Soccer shouldn't have said SY= 8/1-7/31 when in actuality SY=8/1 and younger is the grouping. The 7/31 bound doesnt exist if players can play up. It just creates a mental roadblock for some people.

You lose one argument to a bunch of people and then bounce back to square one with trying to create a rule to make youth soccer fit what you want to help your personal situation but create big problems for kids that aren't yours. It isn't going to happen. It's a zero sum game and you are just trying to be selfish. Rinse and repeat.

If you have nothing new to add, you can just not post. You aren't raising awareness. Anybody with sense isn't reading hundreds of pages to learn anything here.

Sorry, leagues announced 8/1 - 7/31 in the summer except MLSN1, local teams announced no forcing up in winter posts and made it clear in the announcements that they limit playing up.

It's over.

Because leagues allow playing up "8/1 and under" is the same thing as "8/1-7/31". The 7/31 date is unnecessary. Also 7/31 creates the false perception that there is a lower bound for the eligibility window when it doesnt exist because players can play up.

You've taken the unnecessary 7/31 date and ran with it to the point where you believe only players in a 12 month window should be rostered on a team. Which is clearly not true because all leagues allow playing up. If leagues wanted a strict 12 month eligibility window they wouldnt allow playing up. Its unfortunate that the 7/31 date exists because your interpretation is not correct. Which is causing you to spread incorrect information to others.

This is gibberish.

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Anonymous wrote:At this point, the most logical conclusion for why this thread lives on is that there are two trolls trolling each other and they don’t even realize it.

There is one person who is saying what will happen. There is another person who is interpreting the rules the way they want them implemented. Rules allow for clubs to do whatever they want with Aug birthdays. The rule is 8/1 and younger can play on X team. The whole concept of a 12 month eligibility window doesnt apply because players are allowed to play up. This is where people are getting stuck. US Soccer shouldn't have said SY= 8/1-7/31 when in actuality SY=8/1 and younger is the grouping. The 7/31 bound doesnt exist if players can play up. It just creates a mental roadblock for some people.

You lose one argument to a bunch of people and then bounce back to square one with trying to create a rule to make youth soccer fit what you want to help your personal situation but create big problems for kids that aren't yours. It isn't going to happen. It's a zero sum game and you are just trying to be selfish. Rinse and repeat.

If you have nothing new to add, you can just not post. You aren't raising awareness. Anybody with sense isn't reading hundreds of pages to learn anything here.

Sorry, leagues announced 8/1 - 7/31 in the summer except MLSN1, local teams announced no forcing up in winter posts and made it clear in the announcements that they limit playing up.

It's over.

Because leagues allow playing up "8/1 and under" is the same thing as "8/1-7/31". The 7/31 date is unnecessary. Also 7/31 creates the false perception that there is a lower bound for the eligibility window when it doesnt exist because players can play up.

You've taken the unnecessary 7/31 date and ran with it to the point where you believe only players in a 12 month window should be rostered on a team. Which is clearly not true because all leagues allow playing up. If leagues wanted a strict 12 month eligibility window they wouldnt allow playing up. Its unfortunate that the 7/31 date exists because your interpretation is not correct. Which is causing you to spread incorrect information to others.

Exactly correct 👌

Age guy has made it his quest in life to defend the poor players that might be younger than a 12 month 8/1-7/31 eligibility window. When in reality there is no 12 month eligibility window because players are allowed play up. Each competition level is simply 8/1 and younger. Its parents responsibility to put their kid on the correct grade in school team. If they dont it will make college recruiting 100x harder for their kid.

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Anonymous wrote:At this point, the most logical conclusion for why this thread lives on is that there are two trolls trolling each other and they don’t even realize it.

There is one person who is saying what will happen. There is another person who is interpreting the rules the way they want them implemented. Rules allow for clubs to do whatever they want with Aug birthdays. The rule is 8/1 and younger can play on X team. The whole concept of a 12 month eligibility window doesnt apply because players are allowed to play up. This is where people are getting stuck. US Soccer shouldn't have said SY= 8/1-7/31 when in actuality SY=8/1 and younger is the grouping. The 7/31 bound doesnt exist if players can play up. It just creates a mental roadblock for some people.

You lose one argument to a bunch of people and then bounce back to square one with trying to create a rule to make youth soccer fit what you want to help your personal situation but create big problems for kids that aren't yours. It isn't going to happen. It's a zero sum game and you are just trying to be selfish. Rinse and repeat.

If you have nothing new to add, you can just not post. You aren't raising awareness. Anybody with sense isn't reading hundreds of pages to learn anything here.

Sorry, leagues announced 8/1 - 7/31 in the summer except MLSN1, local teams announced no forcing up in winter posts and made it clear in the announcements that they limit playing up.

It's over.

Because leagues allow playing up "8/1 and under" is the same thing as "8/1-7/31". The 7/31 date is unnecessary. Also 7/31 creates the false perception that there is a lower bound for the eligibility window when it doesnt exist because players can play up.

You've taken the unnecessary 7/31 date and ran with it to the point where you believe only players in a 12 month window should be rostered on a team. Which is clearly not true because all leagues allow playing up. If leagues wanted a strict 12 month eligibility window they wouldnt allow playing up. Its unfortunate that the 7/31 date exists because your interpretation is not correct. Which is causing you to spread incorrect information to others.

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Anonymous wrote:Hahaha you cant help but respond.

Its obvious that Arlington is planning to group Aug birthdays by grade to everyone but you.

I'm not the same person you are arguing with, and it's also not obvious to me.

The reason Arlington asked for players grade is because they plan to group Aug birthdays with their grade in school team. Which can mean playing up or down. It depends on what your school districts cutoff was when they started school.

They do this because its better for college recruiting when players get older, theres no weird 8th grade season when 9th grade players that play high school soccer, and most important teams become all one grade which makes things easier for the club to manage.

What will they do with July kids held back and are in a lower grade than their new age group?

Because hold backs are a year older than everyone else in their grade they will need to play on the team that their age allows. What this usually means is they will need to play on the grade team thats above them in school.

When players get to be a junior in HS club soccer creates a u18/u19 grouping which allows hold backs to play on the team thats their grade in school.

Why not play them on grade? If you are going to force Aug player to play up, why not force July holdbacks to play down?

Wouldn't u18/u19 be too late for recruiting? Are these July players doomed in terms of recruiting?

What about an Aug kid who went to school on time but is on an advanced track, where in the future could graduate a year early. Should they play up 2 age groups to match their advanced status in school?

Its because leagues and clubs dont want to create a situation that rewards parents that purposely hold their kid back in school so they can be the oldest on the team. Other sports basketball / lacrosse dont have a strong club structure which means they allow hold backs to play on the grade team players define. Surprise surprise at around 6th grade parents start holding their kids back 1 or even 2 years so they can be the star. In basketball it gets ridiculous when there's a player thats 6 feet tall and can dunk playing against kids 5'6". When this happens what do you think happens to participation? The answer is it goes down exponentially because nobody wants to pay to play a sport that you have no chance at winning. (unless you hold your kid back)

For soccer clubs want players paying all the way through high school. If they allowed hold backs you'd quickly see parents holding back their kid so they can be the star. You'd also quickly see participation drop right around 6th grade. Which is usually when holding kids back for an advantage in sports occurs.

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Anonymous wrote:At this point, the most logical conclusion for why this thread lives on is that there are two trolls trolling each other and they don’t even realize it.

There is one person who is saying what will happen. There is another person who is interpreting the rules the way they want them implemented. Rules allow for clubs to do whatever they want with Aug birthdays. The rule is 8/1 and younger can play on X team. The whole concept of a 12 month eligibility window doesnt apply because players are allowed to play up. This is where people are getting stuck. US Soccer shouldn't have said SY= 8/1-7/31 when in actuality SY=8/1 and younger is the grouping. The 7/31 bound doesnt exist if players can play up. It just creates a mental roadblock for some people.

You lose one argument to a bunch of people and then bounce back to square one with trying to create a rule to make youth soccer fit what you want to help your personal situation but create big problems for kids that aren't yours. It isn't going to happen. It's a zero sum game and you are just trying to be selfish. Rinse and repeat.

If you have nothing new to add, you can just not post. You aren't raising awareness. Anybody with sense isn't reading hundreds of pages to learn anything here.

Sorry, leagues announced 8/1 - 7/31 in the summer except MLSN1, local teams announced no forcing up in winter posts and made it clear in the announcements that they limit playing up.

It's over.

Anonymous wrote:What people dont understand is club soccer and college / high school soccer function on different groupings. They both have reasons for their choices but eventually they need to work together.

An example is when players are under 10 years old grouping by age creates the best opportunity for competition because everyone is mostly the same size and ability. However after puberty hits u14-u16 players arent going to change that much anymore so around this time it makes more sense to group by grade since this is how college and high school soccer function.

What all this means is the sooner players are able to align the level they play in club with their grade in school the better. Its going to happen either way if players go on to playing in high school and college.

Need? BY is 2 grades, works. And college coaches said they don't care about your age group. You just have to be the best player you can.

Anonymous wrote:If you say 8/1 and younger are eligible for X team. Everything works because clubs will naturally put all players in a single grade that are younger than 8/1 on the same teams. Grade in school will be what determines how young 8/1 and younger players will be.

This was US Soccers mistake with SY. They went back to the way things were with SY pre 2017. But they didnt take the time to review if pre 2017 SY was the best way to move forward. 8/1-7/31 or even 1/1-12/31 are both confusing because 7/31 and 12/31 are being added when they dont technically exist because players can play up.

An equivalent to this is you dont fill your tire with air between 45 and 20 psi. The 20 lower bound isnt needed. Manufacturers would just say under 45 psi for the tire or max 45 psi.

You are interpreting the rules the way they want them implemented. Leagues and clubs don't force kids up and grades aren't in the rules. That's your thing to bulldoze for your DD. You aren't doing your DD a favor by trying to protect her from competition, she will have to overcome obstacles without you removing all of them.

FYI, the lower bound on tires is needed for safety just like the 12 month window. See Colorado Rapids about safety over 12 months in an age group.

You are in the denial phase. Few sports have kids play up.

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Anonymous wrote:Hahaha you cant help but respond.

Its obvious that Arlington is planning to group Aug birthdays by grade to everyone but you.

I'm not the same person you are arguing with, and it's also not obvious to me.

The reason Arlington asked for players grade is because they plan to group Aug birthdays with their grade in school team. Which can mean playing up or down. It depends on what your school districts cutoff was when they started school.

They do this because its better for college recruiting when players get older, theres no weird 8th grade season when 9th grade players that play high school soccer, and most important teams become all one grade which makes things easier for the club to manage.

What will they do with July kids held back and are in a lower grade than their new age group?

Because hold backs are a year older than everyone else in their grade they will need to play on the team that their age allows. What this usually means is they will need to play on the grade team thats above them in school.

When players get to be a junior in HS club soccer creates a u18/u19 grouping which allows hold backs to play on the team thats their grade in school.

Why not play them on grade? If you are going to force Aug player to play up, why not force July holdbacks to play down?

Wouldn't u18/u19 be too late for recruiting? Are these July players doomed in terms of recruiting?

What about an Aug kid who went to school on time but is on an advanced track, where in the future could graduate a year early. Should they play up 2 age groups to match their advanced status in school?

What people dont understand is club soccer and college / high school soccer function on different groupings. They both have reasons for their choices but eventually they need to work together.

An example is when players are under 10 years old grouping by age creates the best opportunity for competition because everyone is mostly the same size and ability. However after puberty hits u14-u16 players arent going to change that much anymore so around this time it makes more sense to group by grade since this is how college and high school soccer function.

What all this means is the sooner players are able to align the level they play in club with their grade in school the better. Its going to happen either way if players go on to playing in high school and college.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hahaha you cant help but respond.

Its obvious that Arlington is planning to group Aug birthdays by grade to everyone but you.

I'm not the same person you are arguing with, and it's also not obvious to me.

The reason Arlington asked for players grade is because they plan to group Aug birthdays with their grade in school team. Which can mean playing up or down. It depends on what your school districts cutoff was when they started school.

They do this because its better for college recruiting when players get older, theres no weird 8th grade season when 9th grade players that play high school soccer, and most important teams become all one grade which makes things easier for the club to manage.

What will they do with July kids held back and are in a lower grade than their new age group?

Because hold backs are a year older than everyone else in their grade they will need to play on the team that their age allows. What this usually means is they will need to play on the grade team thats above them in school.

When players get to be a junior in HS club soccer creates a u18/u19 grouping which allows hold backs to play on the team thats their grade in school.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hahaha you cant help but respond.

Its obvious that Arlington is planning to group Aug birthdays by grade to everyone but you.

I'm not the same person you are arguing with, and it's also not obvious to me.

The reason Arlington asked for players grade is because they plan to group Aug birthdays with their grade in school team. Which can mean playing up or down. It depends on what your school districts cutoff was when they started school.

They do this because its better for college recruiting when players get older, theres no weird 8th grade season when 9th grade players that play high school soccer, and most important teams become all one grade which makes things easier for the club to manage.

What will they do with July kids held back and are in a lower grade than their new age group?

If you say 8/1 and younger are eligible for X team. Everything works because clubs will naturally put all players in a single grade that are younger than 8/1 on the same teams. Grade in school will be what determines how young 8/1 and younger players will be.

This was US Soccers mistake with SY. They went back to the way things were with SY pre 2017. But they didnt take the time to review if pre 2017 SY was the best way to move forward. 8/1-7/31 or even 1/1-12/31 are both confusing because 7/31 and 12/31 are being added when they dont technically exist because players can play up.

An equivalent to this is you dont fill your tire with air between 45 and 20 psi. The 20 lower bound isnt needed. Manufacturers would just say under 45 psi for the tire or max 45 psi.

Anonymous wrote:At this point, the most logical conclusion for why this thread lives on is that there are two trolls trolling each other and they don’t even realize it.

There is one person who is saying what will happen. There is another person who is interpreting the rules the way they want them implemented. Rules allow for clubs to do whatever they want with Aug birthdays. The rule is 8/1 and younger can play on X team. The whole concept of a 12 month eligibility window doesnt apply because players are allowed to play up. This is where people are getting stuck. US Soccer shouldn't have said SY= 8/1-7/31 when in actuality SY=8/1 and younger is the grouping. The 7/31 bound doesnt exist if players can play up. It just creates a mental roadblock for some people.