Anonymous
05/05/2020 08:56
Subject: new Reade/Biden thread
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Fox doesn’t have Reade anywhere on its homepage this morning.
The only article about Biden is a about how he offered a union contract to his staff.
I guess that’s that.
Man, some of you folks are obsessed with Fox and their stories.
Why the obsession, pp?
Because it's the most influential news outlet for people on the right, and the stories they're highlighting and focusing on gives us insight into what the right is thinking about?
Anonymous
05/05/2020 08:56
Subject: new Reade/Biden thread
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Fox doesn’t have Reade anywhere on its homepage this morning.
The only article about Biden is a about how he offered a union contract to his staff.
I guess that’s that.
Man, some of you folks are obsessed with Fox and their stories.
Why the obsession, pp?
Feeling a little defensive, are you?
Anonymous
05/05/2020 08:41
Subject: new Reade/Biden thread
Anonymous wrote:Fox doesn’t have Reade anywhere on its homepage this morning.
The only article about Biden is a about how he offered a union contract to his staff.
I guess that’s that.
Man, some of you folks are obsessed with Fox and their stories.
Why the obsession, pp?
Anonymous
05/05/2020 08:26
Subject: new Reade/Biden thread
Fox doesn’t have Reade anywhere on its homepage this morning.
The only article about Biden is a about how he offered a union contract to his staff.
I guess that’s that.
The only article about Biden is a about how he offered a union contract to his staff.
I guess that’s that.
Anonymous
05/05/2020 00:37
Subject: new Reade/Biden thread
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:OK, this is super weird. From the Medium articlehttps://medium.com/@macarthur.cliff/the-tara-reade-case-eight-things-the-media-wont-tell-you-27d3ca14978). Again, hyperlinks and original tweets are provided in the article.
Tara Reade’s hatred for Biden is rooted in her April 3, 2019 interview with The Union.
After the interview, journalists researched her background and discovered her article Bring on the Light, where she heaps praise upon Putin and condemns America. This is also the post where she claims to have left DC to protest American imperialism. When the article (which Tara deleted) was revealed to the public, she was mocked for it on Twitter, and some called her a “Russian asset.”
Tara became extremely upset, and blamed the Biden campaign for her troubles. Between April 2019 and March 2020 she authored more than 75 tweets accusing Joe Biden of labeling her a “Russian agent.”
Reade’s obsession went beyond mere tweets. When she went to Time’s Up with her sexual assault allegation, they put her in touch with several lawyers. Salon interviewed those lawyers, and they all told the same story: Reade didn’t care about pursuing a case against Biden, she wanted the lawyers to stop people from calling her a Russian agent on Twitter. Salon contacted Reade herself and she confirmed that was her goal.
Reade told Salon she wasn’t interested in suing Biden. Instead, she was angry “about the smears about being a Russian agent” from Biden supporters and was hoping a lawyer could find a way to stop them. One law firm Reade spoke with confirmed that they would not take a case with the ambiguous goal of trying to shut down people on social media who were speculating about an accuser being a “Russian agent.”
Reade also told Business Insider that she filed a police report with the DC Metro Police (in which she doesn’t name Joe Biden) not because she actually wanted an investigation, but because she hoped it would protect her from Twitter attacks.
None of this proves or disproves Biden raped her.
Didn't Weinstein rape several women who remained friends with him after? Rape is weird. Victims don't have to follow a playbook.
Not so much that rape is weird, but rather that trauma is. As a culture we do a really poor job actually even defining rape, as evidenced in this thread, but also in how we talk about it - rape is not a prevalent as we’re told by activists, and not as rare as we’re told
By law enforcement.
And while false rape claims are relatively rare, they’ve always been more common against celebrities. And since the 90s where celebrity status has become more coveted and more accessible than ever - the celebrity of victimhood has generated a huge appeal to far left activists. Some do it to sell books, restart careers or sell their documentary, others do it for the attention, and some are mentally ill. This was always the risk of #metoo. They made an ecosystem that merged with Bernie’s political branches. Getting a seat at the big kid table required first victimhood, second a powerful scalp, and third pious worship at the Bernieworld / Left-anti-American altar.
So you have a ton of activists, familiar with trauma, coaching people like Reade to craft their narrative - and any time the narrative hits a dead end, they scream trauma as an excuse. Basically ‘believe us, and if the story we provide is faulty, that is evidence of the trauma, which is more evidence’ - this is clearly a dangerous game - and this is why #metoo was bound to have fail and have backlash from day 1. This is the UVA case being played out as a movement with magnified casualties As a result of the Emily Renda’s trying to elevate themselves to the Big Kid table at all costs.
This is also why the DNC ( and more importantly, Dem voters) fear Bernie - it’s not Bernie or his ideas, it’s the people around him that they don’t want put into party power positions - that would be the end of the Democratic Party for generations, and the cementing of the GOPs fascist agenda possibly forever.
So when we excuse accusers actions as ‘trauma doesn’t have a playbook’ - we’re really just trying to silence our alarm bells going off. Maybe because of history, “oh she’s just being hysterical” - but that is not actually an excuse to deny observation and logic when they apply. (In fact it is the exact same as saying “oh they’re just being hysterical”)
That's the smartest post ever on this topic.
Anonymous
05/05/2020 00:37
Subject: Re:new Reade/Biden thread
I can't believe either side here. You have hypocritical liberals and immoral conservatives here who are just name calling and insulting each other.
Neither side has added anything important to the discussion for 40 pages now. Just give it up. 35 pages ago the horse was dead. 30 pages ago, it was sold to the glue factory. 25 pages ago the remainder was cremated. 20 pages ago the ashes were spread over the pasture. You don't even have the ashes of the horse left and you just can't stop yourself.
Neither side has added anything important to the discussion for 40 pages now. Just give it up. 35 pages ago the horse was dead. 30 pages ago, it was sold to the glue factory. 25 pages ago the remainder was cremated. 20 pages ago the ashes were spread over the pasture. You don't even have the ashes of the horse left and you just can't stop yourself.
Anonymous
05/05/2020 00:28
Subject: new Reade/Biden thread
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:OK, this is super weird. From the Medium article
Tara Reade’s hatred for Biden is rooted in her April 3, 2019 interview with The Union.
After the interview, journalists researched her background and discovered her article Bring on the Light, where she heaps praise upon Putin and condemns America. This is also the post where she claims to have left DC to protest American imperialism. When the article (which Tara deleted) was revealed to the public, she was mocked for it on Twitter, and some called her a “Russian asset.”
Tara became extremely upset, and blamed the Biden campaign for her troubles. Between April 2019 and March 2020 she authored more than 75 tweets accusing Joe Biden of labeling her a “Russian agent.”
Reade’s obsession went beyond mere tweets. When she went to Time’s Up with her sexual assault allegation, they put her in touch with several lawyers. Salon interviewed those lawyers, and they all told the same story: Reade didn’t care about pursuing a case against Biden, she wanted the lawyers to stop people from calling her a Russian agent on Twitter. Salon contacted Reade herself and she confirmed that was her goal.
Reade told Salon she wasn’t interested in suing Biden. Instead, she was angry “about the smears about being a Russian agent” from Biden supporters and was hoping a lawyer could find a way to stop them. One law firm Reade spoke with confirmed that they would not take a case with the ambiguous goal of trying to shut down people on social media who were speculating about an accuser being a “Russian agent.”
Reade also told Business Insider that she filed a police report with the DC Metro Police (in which she doesn’t name Joe Biden) not because she actually wanted an investigation, but because she hoped it would protect her from Twitter attacks.
None of this proves or disproves Biden raped her.
Didn't Weinstein rape several women who remained friends with him after? Rape is weird. Victims don't have to follow a playbook.
Not so much that rape is weird, but rather that trauma is. As a culture we do a really poor job actually even defining rape, as evidenced in this thread, but also in how we talk about it - rape is not a prevalent as we’re told by activists, and not as rare as we’re told
By law enforcement.
And while false rape claims are relatively rare, they’ve always been more common against celebrities. And since the 90s where celebrity status has become more coveted and more accessible than ever - the celebrity of victimhood has generated a huge appeal to far left activists. Some do it to sell books, restart careers or sell their documentary, others do it for the attention, and some are mentally ill. This was always the risk of #metoo. They made an ecosystem that merged with Bernie’s political branches. Getting a seat at the big kid table required first victimhood, second a powerful scalp, and third pious worship at the Bernieworld / Left-anti-American altar.
So you have a ton of activists, familiar with trauma, coaching people like Reade to craft their narrative - and any time the narrative hits a dead end, they scream trauma as an excuse. Basically ‘believe us, and if the story we provide is faulty, that is evidence of the trauma, which is more evidence’ - this is clearly a dangerous game - and this is why #metoo was bound to have fail and have backlash from day 1. This is the UVA case being played out as a movement with magnified casualties As a result of the Emily Renda’s trying to elevate themselves to the Big Kid table at all costs.
This is also why the DNC ( and more importantly, Dem voters) fear Bernie - it’s not Bernie or his ideas, it’s the people around him that they don’t want put into party power positions - that would be the end of the Democratic Party for generations, and the cementing of the GOPs fascist agenda possibly forever.
So when we excuse accusers actions as ‘trauma doesn’t have a playbook’ - we’re really just trying to silence our alarm bells going off. Maybe because of history, “oh she’s just being hysterical” - but that is not actually an excuse to deny observation and logic when they apply. (In fact it is the exact same as saying “oh they’re just being hysterical”)
Anonymous
05/05/2020 00:14
Subject: new Reade/Biden thread
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:OK, this is super weird. From the Medium article
Tara Reade’s hatred for Biden is rooted in her April 3, 2019 interview with The Union.
After the interview, journalists researched her background and discovered her article Bring on the Light, where she heaps praise upon Putin and condemns America. This is also the post where she claims to have left DC to protest American imperialism. When the article (which Tara deleted) was revealed to the public, she was mocked for it on Twitter, and some called her a “Russian asset.”
Tara became extremely upset, and blamed the Biden campaign for her troubles. Between April 2019 and March 2020 she authored more than 75 tweets accusing Joe Biden of labeling her a “Russian agent.”
Reade’s obsession went beyond mere tweets. When she went to Time’s Up with her sexual assault allegation, they put her in touch with several lawyers. Salon interviewed those lawyers, and they all told the same story: Reade didn’t care about pursuing a case against Biden, she wanted the lawyers to stop people from calling her a Russian agent on Twitter. Salon contacted Reade herself and she confirmed that was her goal.
Reade told Salon she wasn’t interested in suing Biden. Instead, she was angry “about the smears about being a Russian agent” from Biden supporters and was hoping a lawyer could find a way to stop them. One law firm Reade spoke with confirmed that they would not take a case with the ambiguous goal of trying to shut down people on social media who were speculating about an accuser being a “Russian agent.”
Reade also told Business Insider that she filed a police report with the DC Metro Police (in which she doesn’t name Joe Biden) not because she actually wanted an investigation, but because she hoped it would protect her from Twitter attacks.
None of this proves or disproves Biden raped her.
Didn't Weinstein rape several women who remained friends with him after? Rape is weird. Victims don't have to follow a playbook.
Oh I’m sorry, was Biden still in a position to offer her a movie role?
Are you implying a former Senator and Vice President and possible Presidential nominee is powerless to affect Reade?
Are you implying that she was still in his orbit or even remembered by him AT ALL before this?
I'm implying that Senators, Vice Presidents and Presidents are powerful people. To pretend that they have no influence is absurd.
DP. You’re insane. They have no retaliatory power whatsoever. If they tried, it would be national news and they would be impeached.
And as pp said, until last month, Biden probably didn’t even remember her. He may still not remember who she was, apart from her name. And that had nothing to do with this lie about senility the right keeps pushing, only that she was small potatoes 25 years ago.
Have you been living abroad the last 4 years? That old America is gone.
Yeah, Trump is into retaliation. But he’s pretty much in his own league with that. I’ve never heard of a Senator reaching out to punish a former low-level staffer by, what, telling a potential boss not to hire them? If you have an example, do share.
Anonymous
05/04/2020 23:54
Subject: new Reade/Biden thread
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:OK, this is super weird. From the Medium article
Tara Reade’s hatred for Biden is rooted in her April 3, 2019 interview with The Union.
After the interview, journalists researched her background and discovered her article Bring on the Light, where she heaps praise upon Putin and condemns America. This is also the post where she claims to have left DC to protest American imperialism. When the article (which Tara deleted) was revealed to the public, she was mocked for it on Twitter, and some called her a “Russian asset.”
Tara became extremely upset, and blamed the Biden campaign for her troubles. Between April 2019 and March 2020 she authored more than 75 tweets accusing Joe Biden of labeling her a “Russian agent.”
Reade’s obsession went beyond mere tweets. When she went to Time’s Up with her sexual assault allegation, they put her in touch with several lawyers. Salon interviewed those lawyers, and they all told the same story: Reade didn’t care about pursuing a case against Biden, she wanted the lawyers to stop people from calling her a Russian agent on Twitter. Salon contacted Reade herself and she confirmed that was her goal.
Reade told Salon she wasn’t interested in suing Biden. Instead, she was angry “about the smears about being a Russian agent” from Biden supporters and was hoping a lawyer could find a way to stop them. One law firm Reade spoke with confirmed that they would not take a case with the ambiguous goal of trying to shut down people on social media who were speculating about an accuser being a “Russian agent.”
Reade also told Business Insider that she filed a police report with the DC Metro Police (in which she doesn’t name Joe Biden) not because she actually wanted an investigation, but because she hoped it would protect her from Twitter attacks.
None of this proves or disproves Biden raped her.
Didn't Weinstein rape several women who remained friends with him after? Rape is weird. Victims don't have to follow a playbook.
Oh I’m sorry, was Biden still in a position to offer her a movie role?
Are you implying a former Senator and Vice President and possible Presidential nominee is powerless to affect Reade?
Are you implying that she was still in his orbit or even remembered by him AT ALL before this?
I'm implying that Senators, Vice Presidents and Presidents are powerful people. To pretend that they have no influence is absurd.
DP. You’re insane. They have no retaliatory power whatsoever. If they tried, it would be national news and they would be impeached.
And as pp said, until last month, Biden probably didn’t even remember her. He may still not remember who she was, apart from her name. And that had nothing to do with this lie about senility the right keeps pushing, only that she was small potatoes 25 years ago.
Have you been living abroad the last 4 years? That old America is gone.
Anonymous
05/04/2020 23:48
Subject: new Reade/Biden thread
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
None of this proves or disproves Biden raped her.
Didn't Weinstein rape several women who remained friends with him after? Rape is weird. Victims don't have to follow a playbook.
There is nowhere. Absolutely nowhere, where Reade claims Biden raped her.
This has evolved in the minds of the BernieBros and Russian bots.
Really? Stop wasting our time.
https://www.npr.org/2020/04/19/837966525/on-the-record-a-former-biden-staffers-sexual-assault-allegation
Tara Reade, a former junior staffer in Joe Biden's Senate office, has accused the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee of sexually assaulting her in 1993, when she was working as a staff assistant.
When Reade met up with the senator, she said, he pinned her up against a wall and penetrated her vagina with his fingers.
"His hands went underneath my clothing and he was touching me in my private areas and without my consent," Reade told NPR. She said Biden asked her whether she wanted to go somewhere else.
Reade said that she pulled away and that Biden pointed his finger at her and said, "You're nothing to me, nothing."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape
Rape is a type of sexual assault usually involving sexual intercourse or other forms of sexual penetration carried out against a person without that person's consent. The act may be carried out by physical force, coercion, abuse of authority, or against a person who is incapable of giving valid consent, such as one who is unconscious, incapacitated, has an intellectual disability or is below the legal age of consent.[1][2][3] The term rape is sometimes used interchangeably with the term sexual assault.
JFC we covered this already. In Washington DC where this supposedly occurred, what she’s accusing him of is not included in the definition of “rape.” Stop using online encyclopedias and dictionaries to define actual legal terms.
Anonymous
05/04/2020 23:47
Subject: new Reade/Biden thread
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:OK, this is super weird. From the Medium article
Tara Reade’s hatred for Biden is rooted in her April 3, 2019 interview with The Union.
After the interview, journalists researched her background and discovered her article Bring on the Light, where she heaps praise upon Putin and condemns America. This is also the post where she claims to have left DC to protest American imperialism. When the article (which Tara deleted) was revealed to the public, she was mocked for it on Twitter, and some called her a “Russian asset.”
Tara became extremely upset, and blamed the Biden campaign for her troubles. Between April 2019 and March 2020 she authored more than 75 tweets accusing Joe Biden of labeling her a “Russian agent.”
Reade’s obsession went beyond mere tweets. When she went to Time’s Up with her sexual assault allegation, they put her in touch with several lawyers. Salon interviewed those lawyers, and they all told the same story: Reade didn’t care about pursuing a case against Biden, she wanted the lawyers to stop people from calling her a Russian agent on Twitter. Salon contacted Reade herself and she confirmed that was her goal.
Reade told Salon she wasn’t interested in suing Biden. Instead, she was angry “about the smears about being a Russian agent” from Biden supporters and was hoping a lawyer could find a way to stop them. One law firm Reade spoke with confirmed that they would not take a case with the ambiguous goal of trying to shut down people on social media who were speculating about an accuser being a “Russian agent.”
Reade also told Business Insider that she filed a police report with the DC Metro Police (in which she doesn’t name Joe Biden) not because she actually wanted an investigation, but because she hoped it would protect her from Twitter attacks.
None of this proves or disproves Biden raped her.
Didn't Weinstein rape several women who remained friends with him after? Rape is weird. Victims don't have to follow a playbook.
Oh I’m sorry, was Biden still in a position to offer her a movie role?
Are you implying a former Senator and Vice President and possible Presidential nominee is powerless to affect Reade?
Are you implying that she was still in his orbit or even remembered by him AT ALL before this?
I'm implying that Senators, Vice Presidents and Presidents are powerful people. To pretend that they have no influence is absurd.
DP. You’re insane. They have no retaliatory power whatsoever. If they tried, it would be national news and they would be impeached.
And as pp said, until last month, Biden probably didn’t even remember her. He may still not remember who she was, apart from her name. And that had nothing to do with this lie about senility the right keeps pushing, only that she was small potatoes 25 years ago.
Anonymous
05/04/2020 23:45
Subject: new Reade/Biden thread
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
None of this proves or disproves Biden raped her.
Didn't Weinstein rape several women who remained friends with him after? Rape is weird. Victims don't have to follow a playbook.
There is nowhere. Absolutely nowhere, where Reade claims Biden raped her.
This has evolved in the minds of the BernieBros and Russian bots.
Really? Stop wasting our time.
https://www.npr.org/2020/04/19/837966525/on-the-record-a-former-biden-staffers-sexual-assault-allegation
Tara Reade, a former junior staffer in Joe Biden's Senate office, has accused the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee of sexually assaulting her in 1993, when she was working as a staff assistant.
When Reade met up with the senator, she said, he pinned her up against a wall and penetrated her vagina with his fingers.
"His hands went underneath my clothing and he was touching me in my private areas and without my consent," Reade told NPR. She said Biden asked her whether she wanted to go somewhere else.
Reade said that she pulled away and that Biden pointed his finger at her and said, "You're nothing to me, nothing."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape
Rape is a type of sexual assault usually involving sexual intercourse or other forms of sexual penetration carried out against a person without that person's consent. The act may be carried out by physical force, coercion, abuse of authority, or against a person who is incapable of giving valid consent, such as one who is unconscious, incapacitated, has an intellectual disability or is below the legal age of consent.[1][2][3] The term rape is sometimes used interchangeably with the term sexual assault.
WOW. You're claiming that digital penetration, against a woman's will, is not rape? Bookmarking this to pull out the next time a Republican is accused of the same thing and your heads explode.
Anonymous
05/04/2020 23:44
Subject: new Reade/Biden thread
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
None of this proves or disproves Biden raped her.
Didn't Weinstein rape several women who remained friends with him after? Rape is weird. Victims don't have to follow a playbook.
There is nowhere. Absolutely nowhere, where Reade claims Biden raped her.
This has evolved in the minds of the BernieBros and Russian bots.
Really? Stop wasting our time.
https://www.npr.org/2020/04/19/837966525/on-the-record-a-former-biden-staffers-sexual-assault-allegation
Tara Reade, a former junior staffer in Joe Biden's Senate office, has accused the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee of sexually assaulting her in 1993, when she was working as a staff assistant.
When Reade met up with the senator, she said, he pinned her up against a wall and penetrated her vagina with his fingers.
"His hands went underneath my clothing and he was touching me in my private areas and without my consent," Reade told NPR. She said Biden asked her whether she wanted to go somewhere else.
Reade said that she pulled away and that Biden pointed his finger at her and said, "You're nothing to me, nothing."
As the pedantic (yet correct) posters keep pointing out, what she’s accused him of is technically sexual assault, not rape. Words have meanings. Can we move on now.
Anonymous
05/04/2020 23:42
Subject: new Reade/Biden thread
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
None of this proves or disproves Biden raped her.
Didn't Weinstein rape several women who remained friends with him after? Rape is weird. Victims don't have to follow a playbook.
There is nowhere. Absolutely nowhere, where Reade claims Biden raped her.
This has evolved in the minds of the BernieBros and Russian bots.
Really? Stop wasting our time.
https://www.npr.org/2020/04/19/837966525/on-the-record-a-former-biden-staffers-sexual-assault-allegation
Tara Reade, a former junior staffer in Joe Biden's Senate office, has accused the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee of sexually assaulting her in 1993, when she was working as a staff assistant.
When Reade met up with the senator, she said, he pinned her up against a wall and penetrated her vagina with his fingers.
"His hands went underneath my clothing and he was touching me in my private areas and without my consent," Reade told NPR. She said Biden asked her whether she wanted to go somewhere else.
Reade said that she pulled away and that Biden pointed his finger at her and said, "You're nothing to me, nothing."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape
Rape is a type of sexual assault usually involving sexual intercourse or other forms of sexual penetration carried out against a person without that person's consent. The act may be carried out by physical force, coercion, abuse of authority, or against a person who is incapable of giving valid consent, such as one who is unconscious, incapacitated, has an intellectual disability or is below the legal age of consent.[1][2][3] The term rape is sometimes used interchangeably with the term sexual assault.
Anonymous
05/04/2020 23:40
Subject: new Reade/Biden thread
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
None of this proves or disproves Biden raped her.
Didn't Weinstein rape several women who remained friends with him after? Rape is weird. Victims don't have to follow a playbook.
There is nowhere. Absolutely nowhere, where Reade claims Biden raped her.
This has evolved in the minds of the BernieBros and Russian bots.
Really? Stop wasting our time.
https://www.npr.org/2020/04/19/837966525/on-the-record-a-former-biden-staffers-sexual-assault-allegation
Tara Reade, a former junior staffer in Joe Biden's Senate office, has accused the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee of sexually assaulting her in 1993, when she was working as a staff assistant.
When Reade met up with the senator, she said, he pinned her up against a wall and penetrated her vagina with his fingers.
"His hands went underneath my clothing and he was touching me in my private areas and without my consent," Reade told NPR. She said Biden asked her whether she wanted to go somewhere else.
Reade said that she pulled away and that Biden pointed his finger at her and said, "You're nothing to me, nothing."