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Anonymous wrote:"In recent decades, this dispersed model has been increasingly disparaged by politicians, the media and people in academia who tend to favor the New York model of density and mass transit. Yet even before COVID-19 most Angelenos rejected their advice, preferring to live and work in dispersed patterns and traveling by car. This bit of passive civic resistance may have saved lives in this pandemic.”

►Density kills. The coronavirus has been much more deadly in places like New York City or Boston than in rural settings. As demographer Joel Kotkin notes, Los Angeles has done much better than other big cities, because it’s less dense. “L.A.’s sprawling, multi-polar urban form, by its nature, results in far less 'exposure density' to the contagion than more densely packed urban areas, particularly those where large, crowded workplaces are common and workers are mass-transit-dependent...

Density doesn’t have to kill. Seoul is the sixth-densest city in the world, and they got the virus completely under control.

Apparently you have not been keeping up with the news. S Korea, for many the gold standard for COVID response, acknowledged that they opened up too early after renewed spikes in infection.

The reemergence of coronavirus cases in many parts of Asia is also prompting a return to closures in places that had claimed success in battling the disease or appeared to have eradicated it altogether, including South Korea, regarded as one of the continent’s top success stories.

South Korea last week rescinded a go-ahead for bars and clubs to reopen after a spike in cases, hours after officials announced the lifting of previous social distancing restrictions and the start of a “new everyday life with the coronavirus.”

South Korean President Moon Jae-in warned his country Sunday to “brace for the pandemic’s second wave,” calling the battle against covid-19 a “prolonged” fight.

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Anonymous wrote:Other cities around the world: the pandemic has made mass transit more complicated, so we need to focus on improving other transportation options, like walking, bicycling, and scooters.

People in Cleveland Park: the pandemic has made mass transit more complicated, so we need to make it easier for people go places by car.

Density Bros. We are coming up with solutions. Not hoping that your new residents decide not to bring their cars. What is your suggestion? Pass a law that denies vehicle registration based on your street address? Your density dream is to attract these suburban workers. Why would you think that they would come without their cars, especially now that mass transit is looking a little less attractive.

What is your solution?

Anonymous wrote:So the density discussion is effectively over in DC until a few questions can be answered. (I know that the Mayor is hosting her secret hearings, but those are simply pro forma and will die on the vine. The Council is not voting density right now. They don't have the time or the money.)

Density will be on pause until several questions can be answered.

1. Elevators need to be re designed. They need air exchangers and holographic buttons. They need to be contact free.

2. Stair wells need air circulation and non occupancy sterilization where once the door closes and the stairs are empty, UV Light turns on and sterilizes surfaces.

3. Common areas need modern air exchangers. The kinds you find in envelope homes.

4. I think the days of common kitchen spaces are gone in multi family homes. Individual cooking spaces are simply cleaner. This is a bummer because DC has some great apartment buildings with beautiful common kitchen spaces.

5. I HATE to admit this, but parking is going to have to come back for several years. There is just no way WMATA is going to come up with a clean metro system anytime soon. So people are going to drive. Therefore all of these new buildings with no parking spots is simply going to mean cars parked on the streets. We need to go back to old parking spot for units built.

6. Low income housing is going to need to be city wired for internet. If you have seen any of the public school discussion, distance learning is simply not happening with families that cannot afford internet at home. So if the housing is going to be subsidized or otherwise low income, it needs to have city provided internet, not simply access to a new inbound school.

And the excuse of just build it now and we will work out the details is simply not good enough because we won't work out the details. This will pass and we will re learn these lessons when this rolls through again.

Right now the density discussion is being made solely based on economic lines (who can I sell building rights to). Any future discussion needs to include public health implications.

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Anonymous wrote:Other cities around the world: the pandemic has made mass transit more complicated, so we need to focus on improving other transportation options, like walking, bicycling, and scooters.

People in Cleveland Park: the pandemic has made mass transit more complicated, so we need to make it easier for people go places by car.

Density Bros. We are coming up with solutions. Not hoping that your new residents decide not to bring their cars. What is your suggestion? Pass a law that denies vehicle registration based on your street address? Your density dream is to attract these suburban workers. Why would you think that they would come without their cars, especially now that mass transit is looking a little less attractive.

What is your solution?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Other cities around the world: the pandemic has made mass transit more complicated, so we need to focus on improving other transportation options, like walking, bicycling, and scooters.

People in Cleveland Park: the pandemic has made mass transit more complicated, so we need to make it easier for people go places by car.

Density Bros. We are coming up with solutions. Not hoping that your new residents decide not to bring their cars. What is your suggestion? Pass a law that denies vehicle registration based on your street address? Your density dream is to attract these suburban workers. Why would you think that they would come without their cars, especially now that mass transit is looking a little less attractive.

What is your solution?

Yep, you're coming up with solutions: design for a future c. 1960, based on the assumption that cars are how people go places. Very forward-thinking.

Density Bros solution: Distract and divert. Get paid by developers.

If the city wants to mitigate car use, provide attractive options. BTW, CP low density neighborhood is great for walking, biking, scooters.

Anonymous wrote:Just to recap:

1. We need to make the city way more densely populated (for nebulous-sounding reasons that don't actually make much sense).

2. Density has nothing to do with spreading coronavirus (despite what the entire medical profession is telling you).

3. We need to ban cars because there's too many people here and there isn't enough room for people to walk and jog and ride bikes and still maintain coronavirus social distancing.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Other cities around the world: the pandemic has made mass transit more complicated, so we need to focus on improving other transportation options, like walking, bicycling, and scooters.

People in Cleveland Park: the pandemic has made mass transit more complicated, so we need to make it easier for people go places by car.

Density Bros. We are coming up with solutions. Not hoping that your new residents decide not to bring their cars. What is your suggestion? Pass a law that denies vehicle registration based on your street address? Your density dream is to attract these suburban workers. Why would you think that they would come without their cars, especially now that mass transit is looking a little less attractive.

What is your solution?

Yep, you're coming up with solutions: design for a future c. 1960, based on the assumption that cars are how people go places. Very forward-thinking.

Density Bros solution: Distract and divert. Get paid by developers.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Other cities around the world: the pandemic has made mass transit more complicated, so we need to focus on improving other transportation options, like walking, bicycling, and scooters.

People in Cleveland Park: the pandemic has made mass transit more complicated, so we need to make it easier for people go places by car.

Density Bros. We are coming up with solutions. Not hoping that your new residents decide not to bring their cars. What is your suggestion? Pass a law that denies vehicle registration based on your street address? Your density dream is to attract these suburban workers. Why would you think that they would come without their cars, especially now that mass transit is looking a little less attractive.

What is your solution?

Yep, you're coming up with solutions: design for a future c. 1960, based on the assumption that cars are how people go places. Very forward-thinking.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Other cities around the world: the pandemic has made mass transit more complicated, so we need to focus on improving other transportation options, like walking, bicycling, and scooters.

People in Cleveland Park: the pandemic has made mass transit more complicated, so we need to make it easier for people go places by car.

Density Bros. We are coming up with solutions. Not hoping that your new residents decide not to bring their cars. What is your suggestion? Pass a law that denies vehicle registration based on your street address? Your density dream is to attract these suburban workers. Why would you think that they would come without their cars, especially now that mass transit is looking a little less attractive.

What is your solution?

Anonymous wrote:Other cities around the world: the pandemic has made mass transit more complicated, so we need to focus on improving other transportation options, like walking, bicycling, and scooters.

People in Cleveland Park: the pandemic has made mass transit more complicated, so we need to make it easier for people go places by car.