No fake eyelashed
No fake nails
no cursing
a really good coat.

Not so subtle clue. I grew up in a working class family but got a couple of useful degrees then worked in an influential organization. For a large number of young people there, their parents were academics.

When I moved onto another large organization, many of my colleagues' parents were doctors.

Anonymous wrote:Grey Poupon.

Folks, we have a winner.

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Anonymous wrote:No tattoos, proper grammar, no smoking, well fitted and tasteful clothes, shoes not down at the heels, well spoken and thoughtful, not reactionary or too loud in appearance or demeanor, everyone in family has at least a Bachelor's, ability to discuss politics or world dynamics without getting personal or overly hysterical, limited and tasteful FB/special media posts

Lots of upper class folks in worn shoes, especially among the waspy horsy types.

Yep.

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Anonymous wrote:Oh totally!
Things that say class to me are as you say a lot of books, items from different cultures, furniture that is thoughtfully curated (doesn’t have to be expensive). Instruments for sure. Art, even if self made. Things that are unique.

Signs of the opposite to me are those puffy leather sofas, signs that say stuff like live laugh love, a lot of Raymour and Flanagan looking stuff, bad lighting, linoleum and anything ‘fake fancy’. Also fake tree at holiday time screams no class

Guess my mold allergies have doomed me to a low class life. My trees are pretty to look at, though.

PP and having an available physician who can diagnose, treat and prescribe meds for an ongoing or seasonal malady is a class thing - LMC and above. The fact that you have insurance and easy access to low cost med refills is a benefit available to LMC/working class and above.

There’s certainly a correlation between diagnoses/meds and higher income demographics.

So you could check medicine cabinets! Who has EpiPens/inhalers/CGM/an array of rx meds for ADHD/depression/anxiety and who has just otc meds only and maybe a few bottles of expired rx meds from a long ago ER visit.

Why would someone need all those meds if they have money to spend on nutrition and wellness?

Because they can afford to see the doctor for any little thing that comes up. And their doctors are more willing to prescribe for off label use and to do things like give diet pills, or in previous generations, Valium and Xanex. Unlike poor people who only get care when they’re so sick they have to go to the ER. I’m really discouraged by how many people here don’t understand this.

That’s not a sign of class. Just a sign of being not-poor. The two are not the same.

Agree. It's more of a sign of someone having a job with good insurance. I used to have all those things back when I made under 50k because I worked for a company with great insurance benefits.

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Anonymous wrote:Decor from other countries, not decor from TJ Maxx.

The decor from other countries is such a clear indicator of a tasteless boomer house. I’ve been to too many estate sales with houses filled with expensive souvenirs at decor, yet the owner could never be bothered to update the 70s kitchen or replace the brightly colored shag carpet. Not saying decor from tj maxx is the right answer either

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No one wants 1970’s crap from where your spouse was stationed.

This. Also, classy people do not join the military. JFK was the one exception to this rule.

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Anonymous wrote:Oh totally!
Things that say class to me are as you say a lot of books, items from different cultures, furniture that is thoughtfully curated (doesn’t have to be expensive). Instruments for sure. Art, even if self made. Things that are unique.

Signs of the opposite to me are those puffy leather sofas, signs that say stuff like live laugh love, a lot of Raymour and Flanagan looking stuff, bad lighting, linoleum and anything ‘fake fancy’. Also fake tree at holiday time screams no class

Guess my mold allergies have doomed me to a low class life. My trees are pretty to look at, though.

PP and having an available physician who can diagnose, treat and prescribe meds for an ongoing or seasonal malady is a class thing - LMC and above. The fact that you have insurance and easy access to low cost med refills is a benefit available to LMC/working class and above.

There’s certainly a correlation between diagnoses/meds and higher income demographics.

So you could check medicine cabinets! Who has EpiPens/inhalers/CGM/an array of rx meds for ADHD/depression/anxiety and who has just otc meds only and maybe a few bottles of expired rx meds from a long ago ER visit.

Why would someone need all those meds if they have money to spend on nutrition and wellness?

Because they can afford to see the doctor for any little thing that comes up. And their doctors are more willing to prescribe for off label use and to do things like give diet pills, or in previous generations, Valium and Xanex. Unlike poor people who only get care when they’re so sick they have to go to the ER. I’m really discouraged by how many people here don’t understand this.

That’s not a sign of class. Just a sign of being not-poor. The two are not the same.

Yeah just having decent health insurance, usually.

, that covers all your therapist visits.

Having medical insurance and getting therapy is not a subtle sign of class.

Access to decent Medical care is a basic right in most western countries. Many people who have experienced traumatic childhoods or experiences require extensive therapy. I get what you are saying, and you have a point, but I don’t think these are the subtle clues that OP was looking for.

OP appears to be asking about subtle non-monetary signs that people have been raised well or choose to cultivate habits associated with well cultivated people. This includes signs such as keeping a clean, calm and well ordered home, showing courtesy and respect to others, reading widely, not being an overt braggart, not over sharing on social media or posting their children online, and valuing original art and Musical literacy.

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Anonymous wrote:Oh totally!
Things that say class to me are as you say a lot of books, items from different cultures, furniture that is thoughtfully curated (doesn’t have to be expensive). Instruments for sure. Art, even if self made. Things that are unique.

Signs of the opposite to me are those puffy leather sofas, signs that say stuff like live laugh love, a lot of Raymour and Flanagan looking stuff, bad lighting, linoleum and anything ‘fake fancy’. Also fake tree at holiday time screams no class

Guess my mold allergies have doomed me to a low class life. My trees are pretty to look at, though.

PP and having an available physician who can diagnose, treat and prescribe meds for an ongoing or seasonal malady is a class thing - LMC and above. The fact that you have insurance and easy access to low cost med refills is a benefit available to LMC/working class and above.

There’s certainly a correlation between diagnoses/meds and higher income demographics.

So you could check medicine cabinets! Who has EpiPens/inhalers/CGM/an array of rx meds for ADHD/depression/anxiety and who has just otc meds only and maybe a few bottles of expired rx meds from a long ago ER visit.

Why would someone need all those meds if they have money to spend on nutrition and wellness?

Because they can afford to see the doctor for any little thing that comes up. And their doctors are more willing to prescribe for off label use and to do things like give diet pills, or in previous generations, Valium and Xanex. Unlike poor people who only get care when they’re so sick they have to go to the ER. I’m really discouraged by how many people here don’t understand this.

That’s not a sign of class. Just a sign of being not-poor. The two are not the same.

Yeah just having decent health insurance, usually.

, that covers all your therapist visits.

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Anonymous wrote:Oh totally!
Things that say class to me are as you say a lot of books, items from different cultures, furniture that is thoughtfully curated (doesn’t have to be expensive). Instruments for sure. Art, even if self made. Things that are unique.

Signs of the opposite to me are those puffy leather sofas, signs that say stuff like live laugh love, a lot of Raymour and Flanagan looking stuff, bad lighting, linoleum and anything ‘fake fancy’. Also fake tree at holiday time screams no class

Guess my mold allergies have doomed me to a low class life. My trees are pretty to look at, though.

PP and having an available physician who can diagnose, treat and prescribe meds for an ongoing or seasonal malady is a class thing - LMC and above. The fact that you have insurance and easy access to low cost med refills is a benefit available to LMC/working class and above.

There’s certainly a correlation between diagnoses/meds and higher income demographics.

So you could check medicine cabinets! Who has EpiPens/inhalers/CGM/an array of rx meds for ADHD/depression/anxiety and who has just otc meds only and maybe a few bottles of expired rx meds from a long ago ER visit.

Why would someone need all those meds if they have money to spend on nutrition and wellness?

Because they can afford to see the doctor for any little thing that comes up. And their doctors are more willing to prescribe for off label use and to do things like give diet pills, or in previous generations, Valium and Xanex. Unlike poor people who only get care when they’re so sick they have to go to the ER. I’m really discouraged by how many people here don’t understand this.

That’s not a sign of class. Just a sign of being not-poor. The two are not the same.

Yeah just having decent health insurance, usually.

I'm confused about all the attention here to meds. To me it's not a "sign of class" because I have no idea whether you're on diet pills or getting your allergies treated in special ways, unless you tell me.

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Anonymous wrote:-They stop at two drinks, and only order small bottles for a table.

-They are actually rather frugal and low-key.

-They do a lot of volunteer work and philanthropy.

This is true except for the part about stopping at two drinks.

Truth!

+1 there’s some serious alcohol issues

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Anonymous wrote:-They stop at two drinks, and only order small bottles for a table.

-They are actually rather frugal and low-key.

-They do a lot of volunteer work and philanthropy.

This is true except for the part about stopping at two drinks.

Truth!

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Anonymous wrote:Oh totally!
Things that say class to me are as you say a lot of books, items from different cultures, furniture that is thoughtfully curated (doesn’t have to be expensive). Instruments for sure. Art, even if self made. Things that are unique.

Signs of the opposite to me are those puffy leather sofas, signs that say stuff like live laugh love, a lot of Raymour and Flanagan looking stuff, bad lighting, linoleum and anything ‘fake fancy’. Also fake tree at holiday time screams no class

Guess my mold allergies have doomed me to a low class life. My trees are pretty to look at, though.

PP and having an available physician who can diagnose, treat and prescribe meds for an ongoing or seasonal malady is a class thing - LMC and above. The fact that you have insurance and easy access to low cost med refills is a benefit available to LMC/working class and above.

There’s certainly a correlation between diagnoses/meds and higher income demographics.

So you could check medicine cabinets! Who has EpiPens/inhalers/CGM/an array of rx meds for ADHD/depression/anxiety and who has just otc meds only and maybe a few bottles of expired rx meds from a long ago ER visit.

Why would someone need all those meds if they have money to spend on nutrition and wellness?

Because they can afford to see the doctor for any little thing that comes up. And their doctors are more willing to prescribe for off label use and to do things like give diet pills, or in previous generations, Valium and Xanex. Unlike poor people who only get care when they’re so sick they have to go to the ER. I’m really discouraged by how many people here don’t understand this.

That’s not a sign of class. Just a sign of being not-poor. The two are not the same.

PP and I’ll concede this. However, a subtle way of determining class (and thus answering the original question posed: what are subtle determinants of class) would be having a diagnosis and easy access to an array of specialists.

Real life example: my wealthy (family surname fairly recognizable) SIL has made it her mission to contribute towards and publicize a medication and treatment and interventions that greatly improved the life of her DC. She’s amazing and because of her connections and knowledge, helped her own DC and anonymous current and cute patients. Her DC had regular appointments with specialists local and a flights away.

UMC families learn early that their DC have specific food allergies, asthma, learning disabilities and mental health challenges to name just a few and assemble meds and docs and organize a team approach. Often, this isn’t opening discussed, just quietly handled.

TL; DR version…the wealthier/higher classes label their DC earlier and line up support. No suffering or waiting it out or dependence upon ER or mental health crisis.

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Anonymous wrote:Oh totally!
Things that say class to me are as you say a lot of books, items from different cultures, furniture that is thoughtfully curated (doesn’t have to be expensive). Instruments for sure. Art, even if self made. Things that are unique.

Signs of the opposite to me are those puffy leather sofas, signs that say stuff like live laugh love, a lot of Raymour and Flanagan looking stuff, bad lighting, linoleum and anything ‘fake fancy’. Also fake tree at holiday time screams no class

Guess my mold allergies have doomed me to a low class life. My trees are pretty to look at, though.

PP and having an available physician who can diagnose, treat and prescribe meds for an ongoing or seasonal malady is a class thing - LMC and above. The fact that you have insurance and easy access to low cost med refills is a benefit available to LMC/working class and above.

There’s certainly a correlation between diagnoses/meds and higher income demographics.

So you could check medicine cabinets! Who has EpiPens/inhalers/CGM/an array of rx meds for ADHD/depression/anxiety and who has just otc meds only and maybe a few bottles of expired rx meds from a long ago ER visit.

Why would someone need all those meds if they have money to spend on nutrition and wellness?

Because they can afford to see the doctor for any little thing that comes up. And their doctors are more willing to prescribe for off label use and to do things like give diet pills, or in previous generations, Valium and Xanex. Unlike poor people who only get care when they’re so sick they have to go to the ER. I’m really discouraged by how many people here don’t understand this.

That’s not a sign of class. Just a sign of being not-poor. The two are not the same.

I wasn’t claiming that they are. I’m responding to multiple posters who don’t understand a pp point.

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Anonymous wrote:Oh totally!
Things that say class to me are as you say a lot of books, items from different cultures, furniture that is thoughtfully curated (doesn’t have to be expensive). Instruments for sure. Art, even if self made. Things that are unique.

Signs of the opposite to me are those puffy leather sofas, signs that say stuff like live laugh love, a lot of Raymour and Flanagan looking stuff, bad lighting, linoleum and anything ‘fake fancy’. Also fake tree at holiday time screams no class

Guess my mold allergies have doomed me to a low class life. My trees are pretty to look at, though.

PP and having an available physician who can diagnose, treat and prescribe meds for an ongoing or seasonal malady is a class thing - LMC and above. The fact that you have insurance and easy access to low cost med refills is a benefit available to LMC/working class and above.

There’s certainly a correlation between diagnoses/meds and higher income demographics.

So you could check medicine cabinets! Who has EpiPens/inhalers/CGM/an array of rx meds for ADHD/depression/anxiety and who has just otc meds only and maybe a few bottles of expired rx meds from a long ago ER visit.

Why would someone need all those meds if they have money to spend on nutrition and wellness?

Because they can afford to see the doctor for any little thing that comes up. And their doctors are more willing to prescribe for off label use and to do things like give diet pills, or in previous generations, Valium and Xanex. Unlike poor people who only get care when they’re so sick they have to go to the ER. I’m really discouraged by how many people here don’t understand this.

That’s not a sign of class. Just a sign of being not-poor. The two are not the same.