Anonymous
Post 12/25/2018 12:58     Subject: Re:Trump Threatens to Shutdown Government if No $ for his Border Wall
Anonymous wrote:COngress should pass a CR for the year, then over ride the veto. Enough of this. CR until we have a new President.


+1

Anonymous
Post 12/25/2018 12:38     Subject: Re:Trump Threatens to Shutdown Government if No $ for his Border Wall
COngress should pass a CR for the year, then over ride the veto. Enough of this. CR until we have a new President.
Anonymous
Post 12/25/2018 11:09     Subject: Re:Trump Threatens to Shutdown Government if No $ for his Border Wall
Yup just another Christmas with Trump as President. Government shutdown. Thousands forced to work without pay. Trump talking the economy down with his trade war. Alienating our allies. This is not MAGA.
Anonymous
Post 12/25/2018 09:31     Subject: Trump Threatens to Shutdown Government if No $ for his Border Wall
Anonymous wrote:So, when Trump tweets of a 115 mile contract, is that referring to the distance of pages put together end to end, or what?


On Twitter, someone said he got confused when he got his receipt from CVS, lol.
Anonymous
Post 12/24/2018 17:53     Subject: Trump Threatens to Shutdown Government if No $ for his Border Wall
So, when Trump tweets of a 115 mile contract, is that referring to the distance of pages put together end to end, or what?
Anonymous
Post 12/24/2018 14:44     Subject: Trump Threatens to Shutdown Government if No $ for his Border Wall
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I think that is actually true.


Are you taking about “shutdown money”? Because shutdowns cost billions.



https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/federal-eye/wp/2013/10/18/how-much-did-the-shutdown-cost-the-economy/?utm_term=.0386a0678580


PP here. No, I mean that I believe I think Trump actually believes it, and that he can shuffle money from department to department like a shell game.

I am aware it's looney tunes. I think Trump is not aware of that.



Sorry— I misunderstood.

Yeah. I think he does too. And apparently he has, to some extent, for things like house kids. Apparently, no one told him Congress has the power of the purse.

He's only run one publically traded company in his life and it failed miserably. There's a reason for that. The one time he had to answer to a board and shareholders he couldn't handle it.
Anonymous
Post 12/24/2018 14:42     Subject: Trump Threatens to Shutdown Government if No $ for his Border Wall
Which is why he is willing to bluff his way into a financial crisis for the whole country on Christmas Eve. I think he really does believe he would be able to shuffle money around to prop up any failing sectors enough to pass cursory glance, at least while he remains in office. Why not? It's literally what he's always done.

(Recall that he had Sanders say they could always get the $5 billion for the all from departments, or something.)

And then he walks away with a string of bankrupted casinos behind him. Bankrupted casinos? How is that even possible, if you aren't looting the profits as Peter to pay some other Paul? Jesus.
Anonymous
Post 12/24/2018 14:38     Subject: Trump Threatens to Shutdown Government if No $ for his Border Wall
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I think that is actually true.


Are you taking about “shutdown money”? Because shutdowns cost billions.



https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/federal-eye/wp/2013/10/18/how-much-did-the-shutdown-cost-the-economy/?utm_term=.0386a0678580


PP here. No, I mean that I believe I think Trump actually believes it, and that he can shuffle money from department to department like a shell game.

I am aware it's looney tunes. I think Trump is not aware of that.



Sorry— I misunderstood.

Yeah. I think he does too. And apparently he has, to some extent, for things like house kids. Apparently, no one told him Congress has the power of the purse.
Anonymous
Post 12/24/2018 14:35     Subject: Trump Threatens to Shutdown Government if No $ for his Border Wall
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I think that is actually true.


Are you taking about “shutdown money”? Because shutdowns cost billions.



https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/federal-eye/wp/2013/10/18/how-much-did-the-shutdown-cost-the-economy/?utm_term=.0386a0678580


PP here. No, I mean that I believe I think Trump actually believes it, and that he can shuffle money from department to department like a shell game.

I am aware it's looney tunes. I think Trump is not aware of that.
Anonymous
Post 12/24/2018 14:29     Subject: Trump Threatens to Shutdown Government if No $ for his Border Wall
Anonymous wrote:I think that is actually true.


Are you taking about “shutdown money”? Because shutdowns cost billions.



https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/federal-eye/wp/2013/10/18/how-much-did-the-shutdown-cost-the-economy/?utm_term=.0386a0678580
Anonymous
Post 12/24/2018 14:24     Subject: Re:Trump Threatens to Shutdown Government if No $ for his Border Wall
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:It is clear, from the posters here and from the statements from the Democrats, that they really have no reasonable argument against a wall. It is all about #resistance and ensuring that Trump is unable to fulfill a promise he made to the American people...

Dems: "Walls don't work."
<They are shown evidence of how successful the wall has been not only in our country, but also other countries>
Dems: "We need other solutions - technology and people."
<They are shown evidence of where Trump has stated he would include other solutions>
Dems: "You can't place a wall along the entire border."
<They are shown evidence of where Trump has stated that there will be places where a wall won't be built>
Dems: "It's too much money."
<"It is less than 1/2 of 1% of the federal budget">
Dems: "You haven't spent all the money already allocated."
<"Neither have many of the agencies allocated money. If that is your criteria for spending, we can talk about some of the social programs you want to fund.>
Dems: "Why have you chosen this hill to die on?"

Nice try, folks. Your strategy is so damned transparent.


Walls don't work. Ask Reagan. Look at the stats. And if you campaign on building a wall that Mexico is going to pay for, then follow through on that promise. I don't think, if Trump had run on a platform of "We are going to spend $30B on a Wall" that conservatives would have supported that.

And ultimately, Trump had control of the House, Senate and White House for the past 2 years and didn't do diddly squat on his wall. In another week, he will have lost his chance. Why didn't the GOP support him when he had the chance? Why didn't he take the $25B when the democrats offered it?


60 votes in the Senate.


Unless it’s done through reconciliation. Then it needs 50 votes. Rs used their first reconciliation to fail to repeal Obamacare and their second on the #TaxScam. Obamacare repeal did not get 50 votes. The TaxScam passed with no Dem votes.

So, there are two ways Trump could have gotten immigration reform without a single D vote:

1. If immigration reform was really that important, Rs could have passed it through one of their two reconciliation shots, instead of the Obamacare failure or tax cuts. Why didn’t they?

2. McConnell could have gone nuclear. Why didn’t he?

Answer: because quite a few Rs are not on board with Trumps immigration policy. So, there aren’t even 50 R votes in the senate for what Trump wants.

And now Trump has lost the ability to use reconciliation or go nuclear, because the Dem House will veto.

Too bad. So sad. But be clear. We are here because Rs believed Obamacare repeal (failed) and Taxes were more important. It could have been done without Dem votes.
Anonymous
Post 12/24/2018 13:52     Subject: Trump Threatens to Shutdown Government if No $ for his Border Wall
I think that is actually true.
Anonymous
Post 12/24/2018 13:50     Subject: Trump Threatens to Shutdown Government if No $ for his Border Wall
Anonymous wrote:Does anyone know what Trump meant by "Shutdown money"?

I mean, does he think the Federal Government is saving money by being closed?

Yes, that's what he thinks. He also thinks he can move money from one place to another just by telling his accountant to do it, like when he paid for personal items out of his fake foundation.
Anonymous
Post 12/24/2018 13:34     Subject: Trump Threatens to Shutdown Government if No $ for his Border Wall
Anonymous wrote:Does anyone know what Trump meant by "Shutdown money"?

I mean, does he think the Federal Government is saving money by being closed?


He will try to spin anything to deflect ofuscate or blame someone else. He seems to have mastered this but little else. Buckle up
Anonymous
Post 12/24/2018 13:22     Subject: Trump Threatens to Shutdown Government if No $ for his Border Wall
Does anyone know what Trump meant by "Shutdown money"?

I mean, does he think the Federal Government is saving money by being closed?